// Since I made such a mess of the last digest, I decided to try and be
// a bit neater with this one! 
// This issue features a lot of discussion of a possible Nanci tribute
// tape by Nancinuts, a tinge of sadness, and some fairly silly 
// suggestions. Enjoy. [BP]

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Subject: Mary Black
   Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:23:53 -0700
   From: Jim Notman (jnotman@calweb.com>
        
        Hi everyone,
I just came back from seeing someone I have been a big fan of for a long
time but had never seen live, Mary Black. What a great show. I saw her in
Santa Rosa, Ca and she is going to be in Berkeley tomorrow night and I
think I will go see her there also. She is now on a U.S. tour and if you
get a chance to see her go! If you are interested in getting a album of
hers to check her out I recommend No Frontiers to start. It is a very good
album. She did five songs off it tonight. She also had an incredible band
with her and she allowed them to really stretch out a few times. Anyway
what an amazing show and singer. She would be my vote of someone I would
like to see cover a Nanci song. She did do Going Gone on one album but I
don't know if that is considered a Nanci song as she did not write it. Well
time to quit babbling and go to bed. Take care all,
  Jim Notman
  Sacramento, Ca

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Subject: Re: NN: Dream covers of Nanci songs
   Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:59:17 EST
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

Driving over to Borders today we were listening to Karen Savoca and I thought
of this covers thread. I'd love to hear her sing one of Nanci's songs.

        -Steve
         (Didn't Nanci look scholarly today with her glasses on?)


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Subject: NN: Richard Shindell
   Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:21:31 -0500
   From: ptpower@juno.com (patrick t power)

Briefly veering from Nanci content to let all you Michiganders know about
Richard Shindell's appearance in East Lansing on Friday, Oct. 30. I've
been told that his Ann Arbor show on Wednesday has been cancelled. Anyone
interested in coming to see him at the Ten Pound Fiddle Coffeehouse and
would like directions, please reply privately.

Thanks.
Pat

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Subject: NN: Thanks
   Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:55:35 -0600
   From: "Kathie Bargiel" (Kbarge@wans.net>


To all my friends on the Nancinet.
This is not meant to be a downer. Mom passed away yesterday morning in her
sleep at home amongst her family as she had wished. It was a little over two
years ago that mom was diagnosed with lung cancer. She did remarkably well
for a woman who was only given 3 months to live.  Her wishes at this time
are for everyone to go down the the riverboat and have a great time!
I'd like to thank all my friends for their comfort and prayers these past
two years. I am comforted by the fact that this group of people, Nancinet,
are the nicest people on the net. I know that your prayers are with my
family at this time, and thank you.

Kathie Bargiel

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Subject: NN: Re: "Nobody's Child"
   Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:18:58 -0600 (CST)
   From: John Iacoletti (johniac@austin.ibm.com>

The "Nobody's Child" recorded by The Travelling Wilburys for the Romanian
Angel Appeal in 1990 is not the same "Nobody's Child" written by Wilbury
member Jeff Lynne for the Electric Light Orchestra album "Eldorado".  It is,
in fact, the same "Nobody's Child" recorded by the Beatles in 1961 with Tony
Sheridan in Hamburg.  It was written by Cy Coben and Mel Foree and was
popularized in a recording by Hank Snow in 1949.

--
John Iacoletti        IBM RS/6000 Division       johniac@austin.ibm.com
     My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
     I don't know much about Nanci, but I do know the Beatles!

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Subject: NN: Oympia
   Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:36:50 -0500
   From: "Thomas, Tasha" (TThomas@vilcom.com>

Hi All,

I am trying to plan a trip to Ireland to see Nanci (Nov 23 & 24). She's
playing at The Oympia. I've been searching the net all day for information
on this venue, and how I might reserve some tickets, to no avail. I would
love to book my flight as soon as possible to keep a lower fare. Anybody
have any information about the Oympia, or any suggestions about how I might
find some info?

Much thanks!

T. Thomas

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Subject: NN: a thousand stories never told before
   Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:52:45 +0000
   From: "jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>

peeps,
i was just re-watching my tape of 'the transatlantic sessions' i posted
on last week. (the one with maura and nanci singing 'trouble in the
fields'....?) and i hadn't noticed before, that the camera cuts straight
from the end of an eddi reader song to a scottish loch to the room in
the hotel where it's all being filmed. you see some of the musicians
gathered with their instruments and as the owner of the hotel begins to
talk to the camera, what you see is nanci sitting ,guitar in lap,
telling a story with everyone in the room watching her. the camera cuts
to the owner's face and the poor guy tries to talk about how much he
loves opening his hotel to do this and all that can be heard, over him,
is nanci's voice telling a story , roars of laughter and then really
loud chords from the beginning of 'who knows where the time goes'.
the reson i posted on this??? it just seems very relevant for some
reason. let me think more on why......no, actually, don't.
jenny

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Subject: NN: songs
   Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:42:00 EST
   From: GORDON1717@aol.com

Hi Everyone,
What about this for an idea guys.  Instead of worrying about the copyright on
Nanci's songs why don't we make a tape of original songs by Nancinetters and
present it to Nanci.  Perhaps some of the incredible talent we have lurking
around here might find one of their songs on the next Nanci album.  I have
heard one or two things by a couple of people on the list and they were
fabulous.  What we should do is have all the aspiring songwriters write a song
that they think would suit Nanci, record it and we will put it on the tape.  I
would be happy to correlate this, I have a 24 track digital recording studio
in my basement here just outside Washington dc (3 adats/mackie 24.8/lots of
processing/good mikes and good vibes) and would be more than willing to make
it available to anyone to record their stuff free of charge (within reason,
don't take advantage etc. etc.). I also can accept DAT tapes and regular
cassettes and maybe we could get it pressed up into a cd.  Whaddya think???  

Gordon (riding the wall of death again) 
ps.  I already have my song mixed, mastered and ready to go!!!!!

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Subject: NN: Any Lists of Nanci songs by others
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:10:30 +1100
   From: Sonya Beneke (sbeneke@mail.ix.net.au>

 Hi ,
    I was wondering if there is a list anywhere of Nanci songs covered by
others,I just heard that The Dead Ringer Band covers one of Nanci`s songs on
their new album , to be released soon,  I`ve searched but haven`t found which
song it is , yet  :)  I`m not giving up  :)    

Sonya, in Bathurst, Australia 

PS,  The Dead Ringer Band is an Australian group


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Subject: NN: submitting a tape
   Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:28:36 -0500
   From: "Steve Goldberger" (steve@aldgategroup.com>
 
Hello Nancinetters,

After two years or so of daily lurking, this is my first submission.   I am
a singer/performer and have probably introduced Nanci's music to more people
in southern Ontario than anyone.  I've played her music for the past 10
years in clubs and concerts and if I don't introduce the song as a Nanci
Griffith tune, someone always comes up and asks me if I wrote that tune...
Her music really touches people , (as you all know).

So this little "basement tapes" project of Mike's sounds like fun and I will
definitely be compiling a tape of some of my live and studio versions of
Nanci songs.  Hopefully one (or more???) will make the final cut.

I am also about to go into the hospital very soon for open heart surgery and
plan to take a discman with about 10 of my favourite (and most healing)
CD's.    Among them for sure will be:

Last of the true b..
Other voices 1
New Emmylou- Spyboy
Dr. John - Back to New Orleans
New Lyle Lovett (I call it "Other Voices III")
Shawn Colvin - Steady On
Flim & The BB's - This is a recording

and several others...

Mike, the tape's in the mail.
Steve Goldberger
Toronto & Niagara-On-The-Lake, Canada
http://www.aldgategroup.com/stevesbands.html

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Subject: Re: NN: songs
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:46:42 -0600
   From: susan bond (su.b@sk.sympatico.ca>

Gordon wrote:

>Hi Everyone,
>What about this for an idea guys.  Instead of worrying about the copyright on
>Nanci's songs why don't we make a tape of original songs by Nancinetters and
>present it to Nanci.  

I like that idea. Chuck Pyle, whom I studied songwriting with at a guitar
camp several years ago, heard a song of mine once that he liked, and
offered to take to Nanci, if he knew he were going to run into her soon. I
was too shy to accept his offer....  I have a few in that vein; definitely
a strong NG influence in those days of writing. :-)
Also Mike's idea.... Looks like two projects going here. Great!

sb


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Subject: Re: Here we go!
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:24:54 +0100
   From: "Hans Janssen" (hjanssen@mail.dotcom.fr>
 
What I really should like that is was possible that Sandy Denny, Kate Wolf
or Minnie Ripperton could record a Nanci song, because that should meant
that we could have enjoyed these passed away singers for much more years.

Hans Janssen


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Subject: NN: Greetings to the NNet
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 03:23:41 PST
   From: "Mark Tovey" (marktee@hotmail.com>

greetings fellow NNetters,
    this is my first post to the 
list, so go easy on me :)...i've been in "lurk mode" for a couple of 
weeks now, and am so happy to have finally found a group of people who 
"get" Nanci...all of my heathen friends ( :) ) have no appreciation for 
such an original, heartfelt voice...so i'm looking forward to taking 
part in the community that is the NNet (tho i will spare you all the 
pain of attempting to contribute to the "Plastic Too" tape...as mine is 
a truly awful voice :)...i'm a Nanci fan of a few years now, with a 
particular liking for her earlier work...favorites being Daddy Said, 
SOARBF, One of These Days, You Can't Go Home Again and Working in 
Corners (amongst others)..
as i'm writing from London, i was wondering if there's a NNet gathering 
planned for the Mon 30th concert (which i'm greatly looking forward 
to...it being my first Nanci gig)...also, are any Londoners planning a 
mini road trip up the Stoke-on-Trent gig?...being the sad muppet i am i 
have no car, but i would be happy to share driving duties in exchange 
for a ride to and from the gig...
by the way, my vote for singers to cover Nanci songs would have to be 
Lucinda Williams or Karen Carpenter (if she were still of this earthly
dimension)..

happy,happy all
Mark "dipping his toe into the NNet" Tovey


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Subject: NN: question and reply
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:36:42 -0500
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>
 
>Dear Mike,
>"Performing Nanci's songs"....does that mean ones she wrote or ones
>she's performed?  I am such an enthusiast about her that I've never
>learned to play anything of hers to show a high level of respect (not to
>mention her key & mine aren't very close).  I'd like to send Darcy
>Farrow or Tecumseh Valley.  Think that'd be alright?
>Regards,
>Kim Cline

Your e-mail brings up a point that I've been wrestling with.  At this point
I don't know how to answer you.  With everyone's concern about copyright I
think it would be best to stick with the artist's own compositions.  I know
that eliminates a lot of everyone's favorite Nanci performances but we're
making an assumption that Nanci would approve of our tape idea and if we
include other song writers we would have to extend that assumption further.
I'm not sure that that would be wise to do. 

I'm going to post your letter and my response to the list and see how others
feel.  But for the time being I'd say send a tape of anything you want but
be sure to include at least one song that Nanci wrote. 

Mike

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Subject: Re: NN: question and reply
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:56:18 EST
   From: Poetmuse@aol.com

Actually, If I remember correctly, there were "covers" of covers on the
Unneccessary Plastic Objects tape... especially "Across the Great Divide".
So... if we did then, I don't see why we can't do it now. And think Nanci got
a kick out of that tape... IF I remember correctly.

-Christina "doesn't know any better" Myers


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Subject: Re: NN: songs
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:06:45 EST
   From: Poetmuse@aol.com

In a message dated 10/26/98 5:45:04 PM PST, GORDON1717@aol.com writes:

(( What about this for an idea guys.  Instead of worrying about the copyright
on  Nanci's songs why don't we make a tape of original songs by Nancinetters
and  present it to Nanci.  >>

Okay, the only problem with this idea is, I don't write songs. I don't play an
instrument (besides the clarinet, anyone want the jazz version of Southbound
Train, didn't think so) and I really want to contribute. So what are the less
musical of us supposed to do? All a capella songs????! Not fair. I mean, I
guess I can "read" a poem into a tape, but that's no fun. I don't think we
should make a tape that doesn't let everyone who may or may not be a closet
singer etc contribute. Just my two cents.


Christina "who sings everywhere, but the shower" Myers

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Subject: RE: NN: songs
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:22:30 -0500
   From: "Avery, Debora" (AveryD@chi.osu.edu>

How about a dance video for those of us who don't sing/play an instrument?
We could do a big production number -- maybe even a little synchronized
swimming thing.

Debbie "dusting off my tap shoes" Avery

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Subject: Re: NN: submitting a tape
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:22:50 -0500
   From: o41@erols.com

>     Thanks for the tape offer....  I must tell you there are a few others
> who have made claim to be the "worst singer" so you could be in for some
> stiff competition for that title.  I'm hoping that we get so many entries
> that we'll have to pick, say the 20 best to put on a tape.  That way, if
> somebody really does embarrass themselves (I'm thinking me here), it might
> get bumped from the final tape (then again there could always be the
> "deluxe" boxed set with all takes and alternate versions)  ;-)

Well, mine is done--it's easy when you have no talent!--and I will ask 
Mike to bear in mind a discussion from about six months ago when we all 
decided that folk singers are "song stylists."  Hey, I even wrote a 
substitute chord progress for part of mine (just so you don't think I 
got the chords wrong).

Reid "SilverTonsels" Mitchell

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Subject: NN: Start those tapes a'rolling!
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:32:02 +0100
   From: Josh Van Buskirk (jvb@zool.unizh.ch>

Hey, what are you guys talking about?

I think we can completely forget about the copyright issue.  Anyone can
make a tape of themselves strumming another person's song on a Saturday
afternoon and send copies to all their friends and family, just for the fun
of it.  And anyone can sing someone else's song anytime they please, just
for the fun of it.  We all do this stuff all the time.  What you can't do
without paying royalties is sell that tape to someone else, or accept money
for performing someone else's song.  This "Unnecessary Objects Too" project
is a private, just-for-fun-among-friends sort of thing, without a single
penny changing hands.  Right?  So copyright laws don't apply.

However, it may be that you guys will still want to ask Nanci whether she
minds that her fans are going completely whack-o on her!  She must be
fairly accustomed to this sort of thing already.  Might even be flattering.
 My guess is she long since realized that she hasn't got much control over
the crazy things her fans will do (like driving 22 hours to see her sign a
few books, or making basement tapes of her songs!).  She signed up for this
life some years ago when she decided to be a musician, and now her music
has taken on a life of it own!  It must warm her heart to think that people
get such joy out of her songs all over the world.

So tell the neighbors to pipe down, and fire up your tape decks!

Josh

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Subject: NN: UPO
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:47:25 -0500
   From: ferg@world.std.com (Mark E Ferguson)

Hey y'all!  Man, all this talk about an Unnecessary Plastic Object
brings back memories of yore.  The original UPO tape was put together
by Beth Thibodeau (not sure if she's still on the list), who compiled
NNers' tapes of themselves performing one or more tunes.  It featured
lovely renditions of Nanci-penned classics such as "Gulf Coast Highway"
and "Ford Econoline" as well as Nanci-covers like "Across the Great
Divide" (I think we had three of those) and even "Things We Said Today"
(a Beatles tune Nanci performed in concert).  Oh, and some wacko put
a punk-rock version of "It's a Hard Life" on there!  The tape had a 
dazzling liner card, courtesy of Mike Cogliandro.  

We didn't seek any approval from anyone for this project; Nanci was 
aware of the tape and at least one was sent to James Hooker.  No money 
changed hands.  It was simply a fun thing for a group of friends to do.

Over on the Dar Williams list (ah, more memories), they recently put
together a similar tribute collection, and even had CDs made up.  For
that one, a donation to Dar's environmental foundation was requested
in exchange for a copy of the CD.  I would suggest to Mike or Gordon
that they get in touch with the Dar-list crew (http://www.darwilliams.com)
for tips about how best to handle this kind of thing.

Hey, if anyone in the Austin area needs some (non-professional) 
instrumental backup or recording gear, gimme a shout!  


>From the back 9,

Mark Ferguson
Austin, Texas
http://www.jump.net/~ferg/

// anybody know who this guy is? :) [BP]
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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci on double cd
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:05:31 EST
   From: MreenParr@aol.com

(( has 28 songs, 14 each cd. a few names i recognized are shawn colvin, mary
chapin carpenter, dar williams, john gorka, sarah mclachlan, or course, nanci,
kristen hall. its  very, very, good. some kind-of folksy, a little countryish
on some, and  anyway, i loved it. i just thought i would pass this info on,
maybe you all  already know, but if not, and if you can find it, get it. it
was nearly $20,  but with all this good music, i think its worth it. >>
  
Even more worth it because a donation from each CD and tape set sold goes to
the National Coalition for the Homeless (USA) and Shelter (UK).  Having said
that, I picked up an incredibly cheap double-tape version when I was in the
States earlier this year. I can't remember how much it was - but $7 dollars
comes to mind -  and perhaps I was comparing prices with the elevated rates
back home, but I actually queried the price with the store assistant.   

Anyway, I agree that it's a great buy.  Other participating artists whom
Nanci-netters may know include Carrie Newcomer, Cheryl Wheeler, Darden Smith,
Patty Larkin and Pat Alger.

Great cover design, as well.

Maureen Parr
London.

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Subject: NN: Re: Start those tapes a'rolling!
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:33:51 -0400 (EDT)
   From: ingaqotr@CTC.Net (Amy C. McKibbin)
 
> My guess is she long since realized that she hasn't got much control over
>the crazy things her fans will do (like driving 22 hours to see her sign a
>few books, or making basement tapes of her songs!). 

Crazy?!?

So who's going to start a tape?  Perhaps we should do a sort of "sign-up"
list first, so that the same song won't be done seven times.

Amy "but I AM Napoleon!!!" M.


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Subject: NN: IMHO
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:17:59 EST
   From: DickFile@aol.com
 
NanciNuts,

In my humble opinion, any tape compilation should be limited to songs written
by Nanci.

It's one of her greatest talents.

It might cause some of us to learn some new stuff.

There are plenty of really good compositions from which to choose.

Dick "gonna skip submission this time anyhow" File

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Subject: NN: the professionals
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:56:04 -0500 (EST)
   From: "jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>

here's my list of prpfessionals (not that there's anything wrong with
UPO2, of course) that would suit nanci songs

Shawn Colvin : something light and airy like 'these days in an open
book' or else something like 'it's a hard life'
Adam Duritz  : he'd sort of suit 'it's a hard life' as well, but also
'workin in corners' or maybe even 'more than a whisper
Suzanne Vega : hmmmm...'nobody's angel'???
r.e.m        : any of them. all eleven alubums would be great.
Eddi reader  : ???

can't think anymore
luv jenny

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Subject: NN: UPO2
   Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:57:51 -0500 (EST)
   From: "jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>

this Unecessary Plastic Object Too thing is a pretty cool idea. i sing
nanci songs everywhere. literally. i'm constantly being told to shut up
and stop singing (because my voice is ,let's say, not. very.good. tho, i
was told that i should sing professionally at the weekend.
explanation:he'd had one too many.) people usually ask me what i'm
singing because it's unusual compared to what they're used to, so i tell
them. i'm well known around here for my 'weird' taste in music and
'jenny's strange songs'
i would really, really love to participate with this collection of the
songs that mean the most to all of us, but i only just picked up my
guitar at the weekend, for the first time in four years or so, i sound
not unlike a frozen dead frog. i play the violin and would love so much
to get my hands on the string arrangement for Gulf coast highway. i urge
the rest of you to get on with it though, the more people who hear nanci
and find something they can relate to in her music, even if through
another voice, the better. 
luv jenny 'tonight in the shower i will be singing 'who knows where the
time goes' by sandy denny, brought to my attention through the music of
ms. nanci griffith' jones
p.s
 i also have a question, where can i get the
guitar chords to "more than a whisper" (my favouritest ever
makes-me-cry-every-time-i-hear-it song ) ??? anyone know? i got really
good chords for "you can't go home again" and i can't find the page they
came from. i remember seeing a table with song titles in it and
absolutely hundreds of nanci songs listed. the nice person that owned
the page also put a note at the bottom on Dsus7. jogging any memories?
wasting space and time on the list of the ever-s0-lovely 'still
learning' list manager? most probably. soz.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:21:47 -0600From: susan bond (su.b@sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: NN: UPO2

"jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net> wrote:

>p.s
> i also have a question, where can i get the
>guitar chords to "more than a whisper"

The easiest way to play this song is... with a capo! It's in the key of C,
but if you capo up to the 5th fret, then you can play it in G and the
chords work really nicely.

Without going to the length of typing all the lyrics out, here are the
chords. Each line represents one line of the verse (or chorus):

verse:
G
G/C  (a combination of two chords:  hold the bottom and top string of the G
chord down, and add the B
         string and D string fretted notes of the C chord)
F ,  C
G
G
G/C
F ,  C
G

chorus:
C
F
C ,  D
G
C
F
C ,  D
G

Hope this helps anyone who attempts it!

all good things,
susan b
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