// It's here! The long-dreaded "Nanci Remix" project sees the light of
// day, and you can sample the results (see Kimbro's post, below).
// By the reaction, you'd think it was the end of the world! But 
// not everyone hates it...speaking of remix, there's a Muzak report,
// and memories of concerts past. 
// Personally, I think the remixes, while not pleasing, are another
// example of how one person's art is another person's junk.
// Lighten up, y'all!  [BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Here we go!
   Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:22:28 EST
   From: LEWISMW@aol.com

All this talk of other performers w/nanci got me wondering.  Was anyone on
this list at the show at Symphony Space in NYC that featured NG along with
Mary Chapin-Carpenter (right before she hit it big) and Matraca Berg. Even
though the seats were partially obstructed the show was quite magical.

Lew White

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Here we go!
   Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:45:37 -0800
   From: Susan Krauss (skrauss@hooked.net>

LEWISMW@aol.com wrote:
>All this talk of other performers w/nanci got me wondering.  Was anyone on
>this list at the show at Symphony Space in NYC that featured NG along with
>Mary Chapin Carpenter (right before she hit it big) and Matraca Berg. Even
>though the seats were partially obstructed the show was quite magical.

I was at that show  - what an incredible evening. I'd love to have a tape
of that if it's out there in boot land.  Magic.  Nanci told lots of stories
about Late Night Grande Hotel (which was new at the time) - there was one
about a guitar lick which was accental and perfect - do you remember the
details?

I also attended a show soon after that without Nanci but pretty amazing -
Mary Chapin Carpenter, Lucinda Williams, Joe Ely & Rodney Crowell.  That
was at Radio City Music Hall.  

susan

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Subject: NN: MUZAK!!!
   Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:48:43 -0600 (CST)
   From: c572559@showme.missouri.edu

It was horrible!

"Just Another Morning Here" from LNGH (perhaps I don't have the title
right, but my mind is still reeling from the experience) a la Muzak in my
grocery store . . . I just went there for some fixings for clam chowder,
and left with a broken heart.

There's nothing left to believe in.

Thom

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Subject: NN: Great Filling Station Holdup & MUZAK
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:39:45 EST
   From: Catelaw@aol.com

Halesbop@aol.com writes:

I don't know if this thread will pick up any steam, but I'll toss one out for
starters that I've mentioned before:
  
>The Great Filling Station Holdup-- Jimmy Buffett  (I'd love to hear what
>'affectation' she'd put on the opening lyric, "I pulled into the regular
> pump...")

Jimmy and Nanci are both great storytellers...I like to hear that cover
myself.  (Although I'm trying to picture Ms. Nanci in the bar when the deputy
sheriff comes in holding the T.V...)  How about "He Went to Paris"? 

Someone may have already mentioned this, and maybe she's already covered it,
but I'd like to NG on "Feet of a Dancer" that Maura O'Connell performs so
beautifully--I don't know who wrote "Feet of a Dancer" to give appropriate
credit, sorry.  Secondarily, someone was reminding me that "Deadwood, SD" and
"The Ballad of Robin Winter-Smith" were written by others--I actually knew
that, but, hey--in my book, they're Nanci-songs and always will be.

To Thom:  the next time you have the MUZAK experience, just close your eyes,
click your heels together, and keep whispering "there's no place like home,
there's no place like home..."  A true believer must believe. ;-)

Cate "sprinting like a new spring doe with a slight limp" in Atlanta 

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Subject: NN: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 01:35:53 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Hi Folks, 

I'm not exactly sure how I got myself into this, but I promised Mr. Roy
Rede that I would post clips of his Nanci Remix Project if he was brave
enough to send them to me.  Mr. Rede was true to his word and provided
two CDs containing clips of his remixes.  The clips include 15-30 second
samples of - Gomi, the Japanese DJ's dance mix of "Late Night Grand
Hotel," a bassoon and piano mix of the same song, a baroque rendition of
"Gulf Coast Highway," and a dance version of "St. Teresa."  This project
is the sole responsibility of Mr. Rede, who once told us that Nanci had
blessed this effort.  Please direct any comments to him:
NanciMixer@aol.com.  You may listen to the clips here:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2893/remix.html/

// and then he corrected it [BP]

Sheesh, too many slashes in that last URL - must be Halloween.  It
should be:   http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2893/remix.html

-Shawn

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Subject: NN: The horror!
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:03:10 -0800
   From: Kim Cline (threebf@pacbell.net>

Not even the most hideous of halloween costumes could have prepared me
for Roy Rede's disco overdub of such a beautiful song as St. Teresa of
Avila.  I find humor in the most bizarre places but this is nothing
short of offensive.  Bad joke Roy.  Thanks for finishing the hand
Shawn.  Now where did I leave my fake nose and glasses?  Church starts soon.
Kim Cline

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Subject: NN: Monday concert
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:14:34 +0100
   From: "Hans Janssen" (hjanssen@mail.dotcom.fr>

Hi y'all,

Yesterday I got a message that my ticket for the Monday concert at the
Barbican is arranged. On the Sunday there is a meeting from NN'ers but for
the Monday I have seen only questions about it and I know that there several
so stupid as to go to both concerts(Frank, Patty & George).

If there are NN'ers who want some meeting on Monday mail me privately at
hjanssen@mail.dotcom.fr

BTW the new Kate & Anna McGarrigle CD "The McGarrigle hour" is great.

met vriendelijke groeten,

Hans Janssen.

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Subject: NN: remix clips
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:46:25 -0500 (EST)
   From: ingaqotr@CTC.Net (Amy C. McKibbin)

>St Teresa:  Drum & Bass Mix (18 seconds, 382k wav file)

Y'all won't believe this, but my modem malfunctioned half-way through the
playing of this one...got an error message....and who says computers don't
have intelligence?

Can you buy Chianti by the five-gallon vat?

Amy M.

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Subject: Re: NN: remix clips
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:54:45 -0600
   From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

"Amy C. McKibbin" wrote:
> Y'all won't believe this, but my modem malfunctioned half-way through the
> playing of this one...got an error message....and who says computers don't
> have intelligence?

You're lucky. Mine worked.

Ed

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Subject: Re: NN: The horror!
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:00:22 EST
   From: Catelaw@aol.com

In a message dated 11/1/98 7:08:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
threebf@pacbell.net writes:

(( Not even the most hideous of halloween costumes could have prepared me
 for Roy Rede's disco overdub of such a beautiful song as St. Teresa of
 Avila.  I find humor in the most bizarre places but this is nothing
 short of offensive.  Bad joke Roy >>

I wasn't going to say anything about this, but egad...
The remix of St. Teresa is a crime against anyone who hears it.  Actually, all
of them are AWFUL, even allowing for the poor quality of sound from my
computer.  

EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!

Cate, "very fragile in this morning" in Atlanta

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:11:24 -0700
   From: Suzanne Jameson (sqcomps@azstarnet.com>

And the point of doing this was????  All I can say is that this type of
"music" should stay in California where it belongs.  Don't mess with
Texas or Nanci.


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Subject: Re: NN: The horror!
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:14:47 EST
   From: Poetmuse@aol.com

I agree.... I was even tolerating what they did to my most beloved of pieces,
LNGH...and the Baroque version of GCH didn't sound all that *bad*...and I was
laughing at the whole thing...but when I clicked on St. Teresa I almost threw
up. :-p What in the WORLD would posess someone to remix St. Teresa into a
DANCE song? :::shudder::: the song is about a suicide for pete's sake. I'm
sorry- you can argue that most techno and remix songs are about morbid
subjects....death et al, but it's passable because *NO ONE* can actually HEAR
what the song is about anyway. Think Nine Inch Nails....think anyone but Nanci
for pete's sake. 

I feel like I need to have my soul cleansed. Is there a Reverend on the list?


Christina "never wants to *hear* that nonsense again " Myers

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:48:48 -0500
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

You can all flame me but I thought the remixes were interesting... everyone
of them!  I would actually buy the finished album to hear the full versions.
Whether or not this is true to Nanci's vision of each song, I still found
the project to be very interesting.  I'm surprised to find out that this is
really no hoax... the voice was totally isolated for the new mixes which
implies to me that some multitrack master copies were given to these folks
to use.

Mike "in hiding until the flames die down" Chesman 

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Subject: N: MUZAK
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:21:28 EST
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

 I've gotta admit, when I first bought Storms and heard "I Don't Wanna Talk
About Love Now", THAT sounded like MUZAK to me compared to what I was
accustomed to hearing from Nanci. Of course I grew to love the record. "Just
Another Morning" is really quite similar in that regard; sorry but I don't
think a MUZAK interpretation of it is all that inappropriate. This is not
meant to disparage the song. I really like LNGH and thought it was a very good
tour, too. Let's face it, some great songs have been adapted to MUZAK. It's a
compliment to Nanci, really.
While I'm at it, I think it would be neat if Vonda Shepard (not sure I've got
her name spelled right) sang "I Don't Want To Talk About Love Now" on Ally
McBeal one of these times.
   -Steve (now I've gotta check out this remix stuff)


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Subject: Re: NN: remix clips
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:33:07 -0500
   From: "Vicki & Marc Martel" (martel@ican.net>

UGH! Why oh why would anyone do this? Please tell me it's a bad dream. St.
Teresa is just downright inappropriate. I thought the gomi.wav was bad,
until I heard St. T. I'm sure this is a Halloween joke... please, let it
be...

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:31:17 -0600
   From: Virginia (ginrosej@bellsouth.net>

At 10:48 AM 11/1/98 -0500, Mike Chesman wrote:
>You can all flame me but I thought the remixes were interesting... everyone
>of them!  I would actually buy the finished album to hear the full versions.
>Whether or not this is true to Nanci's vision of each song, I still found
>the project to be very interesting.  I'm surprised to find out that this is
>really no hoax... the voice was totally isolated for the new mixes which
>implies to me that some multitrack master copies were given to these folks
>to use.

No flames here. I really didn't like the disco version of St. Teresa, but
who knows, if these come out, maybe Nanci will reach an audience who would
never otherwise hear her. I don't know if anyone else remembers this one
since it may have only been played locally, but back in the 60's a Memphis
band, The Counts, recorded a rock n roll remix of "Stormy Weather". My
parents' generation was appalled, but the younger generation loved it!

Gin (ducking) Rose

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Subject: NN: NanciMix
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:45:29 EST
   From: Corn31958@aol.com

I gotta give it to the guy.  I thought the whole thing was a hoax too.  Not
that I'm gonna run to the store to buy it, but I was impressed.  I'd promised
to eat my head if it ever came to be.
Please pass the ketchup!

Dave Ross
NYC  ( it brings out the stupid in me)

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:25:00 EST
   From: KSandersn@aol.com

Chesman wrote:
> You can all flame me but I thought the remixes were interesting... everyone
> of them!  I would actually buy the finished album to hear the full versions.

I'll jump into the frying pan with you, Mike. I liked the samples too. I am
not a big fan of disco, but when I envision being in a nightclub full of folks
dancing up a storm to Nanci Griffith (and I can envision this to the Gomi
sample), it brings a very big smile to my face. This joyful sounding clip puts
an entirely new slant on LNGH, placing the accent on the hopeful instead of
the melancholy. I'd like to be able to get up and dance around my living room
to this one.

The bassoon/piano LNGH sample sounded interesting. The bassoon is a rather
mournful sounding instrument, and I believe this remix might be closer to
Nanci's own vision of LNGH, with the bassoon providing an appropriately
melancholy accompaniment to Nanci's voice, and the simple and sparse
bassoon/piano arrangement emphasizing the sense of aloneness the lyric evokes.

I'm sorry, folks, but the GCH sample sounded as if this remix might just turn
out to be downright beautiful. I can just imagine that choir of voices rising
behind her as Nanci sings "and when they die, they say they'll catch some
blackbird's wing." Gives me chills (the good kind) just to think about it.

As far as the St. T. sample goes, frankly, I was amazed that anyone would have
the creativity to even conceive of putting such a rhythm/riff behind the
melody. I am not a big fan of alternative or techno-pop music, but I could
honestly imagine hearing this version of St.T.on MTV (if I watched MTV (g>).
To me, Nanci's voice floating ethereally over the riff in the remix has a
haunting sound to it, and so, for me, the remix "works," even in the context
of the song.

I am basing what I have said on a few seconds of samples, and reserve the
right to change my mind or make a final decision when I have heard the final,
finished product. I am looking forward to hearing such a product, and hope I
get the chance.

ducking and covering,
Kelly

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:25:13 -0500
   From: "Diane B. Wilkes" (diwilkes@erols.com>

At 01:41 AM 11/1/98 -0500, Shawn Kimbro wrote:
>Sheesh, too many slashes in that last URL - must be Halloween.  It
>should be:  http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2893/remix.html
 
The St. Teresa is quite scary...But there's something compelling about the
baroque version of Gulf Coast Highway...I want to check out the whole
thing.  Thanks, Shawn, for putting this on your page so people can
investigate for themselves.

I have to admit, the St. Teresa has put me into shock.  My body is still
vibrating from it.

Diane
http://www.oldgreycat.com

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Subject: NN: Remixes
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:39:25 -0600
   From: "Devin Bramblett" (bramblett@jcn1.com>

    I realize that not everyone likes the same things and that "art" draws a
vast array of opinions, but geez! My opinion on the remixes is that I don't
care for them, but I must say they are examples of creativity.

Devin

" Don't accept that what is happening is
just a case of others' suffering
or you'll find that you're joining in the turning away."
~Pink Floyd~


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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci covers
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:43:53 EST
   From: RonHennesy@aol.com

Another dream cover of a Nanci song is James Taylor singing "Working in
Corners."

Reciprocally, I'd love to hear Nanci singing James' "Only a Dream in Rio" and
his song about the Magi, "Home by Another Way."

It can be tricky singing a song by a member of the opposite sex.  Suzy Bogguss
says she occasionally sings "androgynous" songs written by male singers.

I like to sing, and sing songs in private by both male and female singers,
being careful to change where appropriate the lyrics of songs like Nanci's
"Nobody's Angel," Matraca Berg's "Back When We Were Beautiful," the Dixie
Chicks' "There's Your Trouble," and Suzy's "Just Like the Weather" (not that
all these have to be changed much).

I don't have that problem when I sing songs by James Taylor, Jimmy Buffett,
Tracy Byrd, Collin Raye, Marty Robbins, Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, or Roger
Miller.

For this reason I've been hesitant to join in the "unnecessary plastic
objects" project.

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:23:21 -0500
   From: IR (100451.1006@compuserve.com>

Just a thought .................Does Maggie get royalties on the remix? 

She sure could do with all the help she can get at the moment :>)

Ian R

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Subject: NN: COVERS
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:02:03 -0600
   From: Steve Makarsky (thekidd@flash.net>

Evening NNetter's:  Here's my contribution:

Nanci singing Donovan's "Catch the Wind"

Joan Baez covering "Friend Out In the Madness" (mainly because in the
the opening line NG sounds so much like Joan - at least to these tired
old ears....)

Steve

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:33:22 -0500 (EST)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@cloud9.net>

I think it was a real giggle. I bet Nanci would like it just as much as
anyone. Remember her stories about being afraid to have to sing disco, and
about being passed hand to hand body surfing during concerts. Sure it
would never happen, but the lady has a good sense of humor sometimes.

Music, Management, Poetry and more...
           http://www.candlelist.org/kuilema
 
Cheap CDs @ http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight
 
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Subject: Re: NN: COVERS
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:06:31 EST
   From: RonHennesy@aol.com

(Steve Makarsky)writes:

(( Joan Baez covering "Friend Out In the Madness" (mainly because in the
 the opening line NG sounds so much like Joan - at least to these tired
 old ears....) >>

Good choice, Steve! I always thought Nanci's and Joan's singing sounded a lot
alike: that beautiful tremolo.

Regards,

Ron Hennessy
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:34:18 -0500
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

>I'll jump into the frying pan with you, Mike. I liked the samples too.
>I'm sorry, folks, but the GCH sample sounded as if this remix might just turn
>out to be downright beautiful. I can just imagine that choir of voices rising
>behind her as Nanci sings "and when they die, they say they'll catch some
>blackbird's wing." Gives me chills (the good kind) just to think about it.
>ducking and covering,
>Kelly

I remember when "Blue Roses" came out I commented on Nancinet that I thought
GCH would have been very cool if they had carried through with a string
quartet arrangement ala "McCartney's Yesterday".  The little GCH remix
snippet seems to have captured that idea.  The choir voices I'll have to
wait and hear more of.  I used to think Phil Spector ruined "The Long and
Winding Road" with overproduction after hearing the George Martin version
sans orchestra and choir.  But today I like both versions.   I think I might
feel the same way about these Nanci remixes.

Mike "you all have been very nice" Chesman  

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Subject: NN: Remix producer's response
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:43:16 EST
   From: NanciMixer@aol.com

My thanks to Shawn Kimbro for posting the remix clips on his web page 
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2893/remix.html). So far, response
has been 3 to 1 on the positive side. To all of you sending me hate mail,
remember that these mixes are designed to turn on a new generation of Nanci
fans, not to appease the old guard. Someone observed that these mixes did have
isolated master vocals and must have come from the original recordings. True.
The remix project is in cooperation with Nanci, we did not "overdub disco
beats" on her beloved music. You must also bear in mind that you are only
hearing a few seconds out of mixes that go on for 5-8 minutes. These tracks
were created with a beginning, middle and end in mind. The St. Theresa mix is
a beautiful tapestry of percussive sounds and emotions. The GCH Baroque mix
was arranged and recorded with a 36 piece string orchestra and a 54 voice
choir joyfully singing out Nanci's lyrics in Latin (The full version is truly
magnificent!). I ask that y'all listen down to the full versions when they are
released. Trust me, we'll get Nanci some major radio play whether you like it
or not!     :-)
with love and light,
RoyRede, producer / nancimixer@aol.com

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Subject: NN: silent majority?
   Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:40:01 -0700
   From: "Deb Thornton" (68coyotes@onms.com>

Mr. Mixer,

Perhaps the 3 to 1 ratio is because of low voter turnout. You know, people
warming up for their nonparticipation in the upcoming midterm elections.

Turnout: that's what your samples did to my stomach; i was speechless and
didn't wish to dignify your efforts with a response, but your Chicago-style
enumerating system has brought me to the poll once again. Vote early; vote
often? I'll punch the straight ticket every time: boo hiss. If it weren't
the Sabbath, i'd really lay some language on the line for you.

Doesn't rate even one-eighth of a rear end.

This is not hate mail. This is not a missive from the old guard.

This is from a middle-aged coyote bitch who has three legs on the ground
and one in the air; the latter points to assorted .wav files.

Makes me think the kidney stone blues i've been singing for the last two
weeks should be sampled.

deb "dog biting sampler tires" thornton

pist scriptum: The really nauseating thing is that i'm afraid the complete
GCH remix is probably better than the Hootie version. Sadly, that's no
compliment to either of them.

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