// The pundits say to be careful what you wish for...a few weeks ago
// I longed for the days when there was enough list traffic to have
// a digest every day. Then the remix came along...
// Don't know how those of us who plastered the list with our (great)
// parodies can complain too much about a remix project; just another
// way of paying homage, if you will. But as you will see below, not
// everyone agrees...[BP]

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Subject: NN: A second
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:36:44 +0400
   From: Kevin and Diane Gray (houndogs@micoks.net>


I'll second Mark's, "Disco's dead..." statement.  I had my
"Death to Disco" button in '74, two years before that
unfortunate craze hit. 

As for a cover, heck with that.  I'd just like to see Nanci
get together with Springsteen.  Okay, I know this may
seem odd.  But, even in his youth (1969, 1970), I remember seeing
him take his break with his audience, not in the dressing room, where he
would keep his mike and just sit with the kids, usually girls, and
tell stories.  His music was an extension of that story telling 
ability of his. 

Just a thought.

Kevin

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Subject: Re: NN: Remix producer's response
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:47:47 -0700
   From: Suzanne Jameson (sqcomps@azstarnet.com>

NanciMixer@aol.com wrote:
> 
> My thanks to Shawn Kimbro for posting the remix clips on his web page
> (http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2893/remix.html). So far, response
> has been 3 to 1 on the positive side. 

I simply can't believe that response to these awful things has been 3 to
1 positive.  The posts I've read just today have overwhelmingly been
negative.  I keep going back to my initial question of WHY?  Why would
you even want to do this?  As a listener who loves the authenticity of 
Nanci's music, I will not listen to the final mixes, and as a dj for a
community radio station, I will refuse to give them radio airtime. Your
extremely arrogant statement of "Trust me, we'll get Nanci some major
radio play whether you like it or not!" brings to mind all the
undesirable traits associated with life in California. I'll make my own
decisions, thank you very much.

Suzanne Jameson
KXCI
Tucson, AZ

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Subject: NN: Remixes
   Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:28:50 PST
   From: "Todd Barrett" (astrocity@hotmail.com>

Everybody has their own opinion about music.  I am NOT a fan of disco 
but I have to admit that the LNGH remix would get me moving.  I didn't 
particularly like a couple of the others but what the heck.  I agree 
that these versions are useful to gain exposure that Nanci might 
otherwise not get.  Does anybody else remember Tammy Wynette and the 
remix version of "Justify??" (I don't remember the song title, I just 
remember the video) If memory serves me correct it was a huge hit in 
Europe.

Todd Barrett

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Subject: NN: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:49:01 EST
   From: BMiller224@aol.com


I just listened to the Nanci remixes.  I say hooray for Roy Rede and the
others that produced these.  I really enjoyed them.

My favorite is the Baroque mix of "Gulf Coast Highway" with the "St Teresa"
drum and bass mix a close second. 

I say, go for it, Nanci!  A whole album of Baroque Nanci songs!

I hope I'm understanding this right, that these remixes are going to be
published on an album.  I guess I count as an "old guard" Nanci fan.  But I'm
really looking forward to that one.  

Bruce "Bach is country isn't he?" Miller
San Bruno, CA

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:26:44 -0600
   From: Mark (catfan@sr.radiks.net>

I tried, but I just couldn't do it.  The mere fact that I called the page 
up at all is humiliating enough.  I applaud anyone who is brave 
enough to listen to this travesty.

Maybe after I've had a few beers and am not thinking clearly.  
No, I don't drink that much anymore.

Mark 

ALL MY LIFE I SAID I WANTED TO BE SOMEONE
NOW I CAN SEE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC
Lilly Tomlin

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Subject: NN: Disco
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 9:21:34 +0100 (BST)
   From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>

Dear all,

I haven't heard the remixes yet, my computer isn't up to the technicalities
(or at least it's operator isn't), but I don't suppose they're
any worse or better than a whole load of other stuff around
at the moment.  The music industry is forever trying to find
ways of getting some extra mileage from original material,
sometimes it's good, sometimes not.  I recently bought 'Root'
which is a collection of remakes of guitar pieces by Thurston
Moore (of Sonic Youth fame, bet there aren't too many fans
of theirs here either!) and it's a very mixed bag...I expect that
from new music...

Anyway, this isn't really about that.  I just wanted to put in
my vote for disco, which far from being dead is actually
undergoing something of a renaissance (forgive my spelling?).
Personally I think 'Le Freak' by Chic and the opening thirty
seconds of' Stayin' Alive' by the BeeGees (a truly wonderful
feat of musicianship) are some of the greatest music ever performed.
And that's not to exclude maybe about one hundred other records
I could name... That whole 'death to disco' thing started out as
barely disguised racism (mixed with a dash of homophobia) 
from a bunch of white rock fans who couldn't cope with the diversity
of the world.  Let's not close our ears to anything, there's a whole 
world beyond folk, country, alt.country, and I for one want it all...

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am NOT accusing anyone
on this list of racism, I know you all better than that, just a slight
case of "I know what I like and I like what I know"-ism!

best wishes, Robert (Pugsley)

now playing;  Led Zeppelin: III
next up; Various Artists: Saturday Night  Fever OST
after that I'm going to find a computer that downloads wav. files...


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Subject: NN: Nanci & Beth
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:05:23 EST
   From: RHG899@aol.com

I am pleased to see that someone else out there has good taste and can
appreciate the music of Nanci and Beth Nielsen Chapman equally. Well done Ron
Hennessy. Sometimes this can create problems though. I've recently changed my
car and the new car had a 6 disc CD player against the 10 disc player in the
old one. This caused more anguish than anything else in the changeover. Which
discs should I discard?. Eventually I reached a compromise and have three by
Nanci and three by Beth. I think Beth doing a "cover" of some of the best of
Nanci would be a great idea. Which ones would you choose? 

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Subject: NN: second try
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 06:31:35 EST
   From: Catelaw@aol.com

Morning, NNers--

Please excuse the length of this...

After reading positive posts about the remix business, I decided, for the sake
of diversity and whatever other grand notion of philosophical high ground I
could muster, to listen to them again.  From what I've discerned about NNers
over the past year or so, you are truly musically diverse and a great many of
you are obviously quite gifted musically and in many other ways.  (so I
figured I must be missing something.)

The schism that emerges in force whenever new Nanci (or quasi-Nanci; that's
the best I can call this) material comes out is back and was probably best
characterized by the "one man's art, etc." line of thinking.  I'll admit my
initial reaction (EEEWWWWW!!) was quite visceral, totally knee-jerk, and
spawned by the lateness of the hour, the pressures of immediately pending and
ongoing matters, and a brief-from-hell I was writing.  Admitted.  I'll also
admit that I am squarely in the "No Disco" camp, although it has absolutely
nothing to do with any sort of separatism or other polarizing factors that R.
Pugsley suggested.  I just don't like it, never have, never did.  The cultural
background for disco, at least in the United States, was one of greed,
elitism, and polyester.  I was there!  On balance, it was not the good old
days.

And while I don't join in when some of the more musically gifted and educated
folks start discussing the mechanics of music, I've been a musician since I
was six years old.  I studied and performed classical piano for many years,
taught myself to play the accordion one year when I had to miss school for a
week with poison ivy, played baritone saxophone and flute in multiple school
bands, and sang in choirs and choruses from the time I could speak.  I have
also taken many years of music theory and metronome constantly positioned on
my piano teacher's desk because I always wanted to play everything too fast.

I still don't get it.  In a closet way, I was looking forward to the remix
project, because it was Nanci and I like bassoons and drums.  I am easily
amused and presume that I will like anything of Nanci's before I hear it.
(e.g. OV2, BRFTM.)  This might be Nanci, but it's not the Nanci I've admired
and found solace and courage in for so many years.  St. Teresa is the greatest
offender, because it IS about a suicide and for me personally because of the
suicide of a close friend I associate with the piece.  How could actually want
anyone to DANCE to St. Teresa?   The creator says that the whole piece is
actually quite beautiful, etc.  One can logically infer, however, that a
sample someone posts as a pre-marketing vehicle will include what the creator
thinks are its very best moments...

Being also a fan of LNGH (it was my 2d Nanci CD, if that helps), I found the
arrangements very unappealing and a weird distortion of something that's part
of my own personal musical medicine bag.  

As far as the creator's comments about the new generation that Nanci will be
reaching, I just can't make that leap, although i do admire ANYONE that
listens passionately for his "drummer" and follows in lockstep with it.  It's
the essence of life to pursue your creative vision.  And I especially thank
Shawn Kimbro very kindly for posting  the clips so we could all hear them.  If
Nanci enjoys this, I'm happy for her and if she gets recognized more, I'm
happy for that.  If she makes money (and maybe MM, too) that's wonderful.  I'd
just rather see her become recognized for her own genius and not because,
"it's got a good beat, Dick, and you can dance to it." (i.e. a serious
creative and historical anthology like OV2.)

Cate, in Atlanta

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Subject: NN: Re: N: MUZAK
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:34:41 -0500
   From: Don Good (good@cncacc.cn.edu>

I'm reminded of an old Saturday Night Live skit.  If I can remember it
halfway correctly (which is about normal): A very old Paul Simon goes into
an elevator and a muzak version of a Simon and Garfunkel song comes over
the speakers.  The camera pans back (well as much as you can in an
elevator) and reveals a shadowy figure.  The figure turns and reveals
himself to be Satan. I guess some of our ideas of Hell might include NG
muzak.  Actually, I read a P. Simon interview in which he spoke about
hearing about muzak versions of his songs.  Said he considered it to be a
compliment. Go figure, but it helps me to feel better about such things.
Don Good

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci Remix Project
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:24:02 -0400
   From: coneill@oaoservices.com

I've been a Nanci fan since OVOR and I've NEVER been a fan of "dance music"
but I listened to the remixes this morning and I thought they were fun.  My
favorite is the LNGH dance mix.  I'm not much of a dancer myself, but I
always appreciate a new twist on an old favorite.

Christy


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Subject: Re: NN: Remix producer's response
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:40:23 EST
   From: Poetmuse@aol.com

In a message dated 11/1/98 7:44:33 PM MST, NanciMixer@aol.com writes:

(( You must also bear in mind that you are only
 hearing a few seconds out of mixes that go on for 5-8 minutes. >>

I am keeping that in mind. AND I am very thankful for that part. That was the
best part about them.

As for hate mail... come on, we're talking the Nanci Net. What is someone
doing? Getting literary on your #$@????

Christina "part of the old guard, thankfully" Myers

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Subject: NN: re: remixes - place my vote in the "Y" column -
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:10:00 -0500
   From: david lidz (dlidz@who.net>

"Y" for "YUCK!"

or "YEESH!"

or "YOUCH!"

or "YERROUTTAYERR@#$@%&*MIND!"

It's a free country, I suppose (please pardon the forthcoming snobbery), and
lots of
people willingly and frequently use that freedom to be tacky, so maybe this
stuff has its
place on the cd racks of the populous tacky  ("are you ready for some
foot-BAAWWWLLLL!!!!"), but as for me, I don't see any value in it.

I didn't even find it funny.  I felt violated or something, maybe for Nanci,
shivers
running down my spine in a bad way.  Made me want to take a shower.

yuck - there, I said it again.  Most poignant, apt, and succinct commentary on
the whole
thing, I think

yuck,
david "make sure you get out and cast your REAL vote tomorrow - unless, of
course, there's
a danger that you might vote Republican" lidz
annapolis, md

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Subject: Re: NN: second try
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:15:00 EST
   From: Poetmuse@aol.com

In a message dated 11/2/98 4:32:20 AM MST, Catelaw@aol.com writes:

> If Nanci enjoys this, I'm happy for her and if she gets recognized more, I'm
> happy for that.  If she makes money (and maybe MM, too) that's wonderful.
> I'd ust rather see her become recognized for her own genius and not because,
> "it's got a good beat, Dick, and you can dance to it." (i.e. a serious
> creative and historical anthology like OV2.) 

I agree with you Cate, as I responded to your first post too-  I don't get the
whole "bring new fans" to nanci idea because...I mean,  is someone dancing in
a club somewhere (and I still find that hard to imagine, the drum machine
notwithstanding) really going to run out and buy a nanci cd??? And if they do-
won't they be disappointed that everything is folky instead of dance music? 
I like all kinds of music- folk, rock, alternative, classical, jazz.... etc. I
think my tastes harmonically converge together okay..... and I was sort of
interested in hearing the remixes myself- the idea of strings and what not
added to Nanci's voice sounded good to me.... but I don't know. It just
doesn't sit right with me at the moment, and I doubt I'll purchase the thing,
if it ever comes out.  I've bought enough "remix" cd's in my life time to know
they never get played more than once or twice around here- when it comes to
good music, I always go back to the original. 
Not to mention the thought of anyone dancing to St. Teresea is enough to make
me swear off dance music forever. 
damn... there go the Abba Cd's.......and the Cure cd's... and
Erasure...Depeche Mode...
(note* these are all artists that have been remixed.Correctly)

Christina "casting stones" Myers

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Subject: Re: NN: The horror!
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:47:32 -0500 (EST)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@cloud9.net>

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Mark wrote:

> I for one, refuse to believe that Nanci agreed to allow anyone to 
> "tweak" St. Teresa.  It's a song about a friend who killed herself 
> (like anyone on here doesn't know that already) !!!

Since Nanci appears to be cooperating, the common reaction seems to speak
volumes about our "relationship" with Nanci compared to her understanding
of her own artistry and career. 

john alvord


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Subject: NN: Essay (no Nanci content)
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:02:52 -0500 (EST)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@cloud9.net>

I released an essay "Moving a Cord of Wood" in the books section of my web
pages below. I hope some of you enjoy it.

john alvord     

Music, Management, Poetry and more...
           http://www.candlelist.org/kuilema
 
Cheap CDs @ http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight
 
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Subject: NN: donnelly question
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:17:02 CST
   From: "Terry Chouinard" (tchouin3@slis.ua.edu>

Sorry to diverge from the Muzak tirade, but I had a question regarding one of 
Nanci's great band members. Does anyone know if Phillip Donnelly (Blue Moon 
Orchestra guitarist virtuoso) is any relation to Steve Donnelly (guitarist 
extraordinaire from John Wesley Harding's bands & also of Elvis Costello 
fame)? Both are Brits and somewhat look alike. Both can give one helluva 
ride...could it just be coincidence? If they are related, is it possile to
obtain 
some water from the town they grew up in? WHAT GUITAR PLAYERS!!!

Terry "digest only boy" Chouinard 

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Subject: NN: Unmix the Remix
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:36:53 -0800
   From: JRodriguez@arrowheadgrp.com

Regarding Roy Rede's comment:
((...To all of you sending me hate mail, remember that these
mixes are designed to turn on a new generation of Nanci fans, not to appease
the old guard.>>

I think there's more respect for the taste of a new
generation than that.  

It's one thing for an artist to reproduce a song with a
different style and come up with an original sounding piece. It's clearly
another to take a song and it's original rendition and force it to be
something it's not.

Just a different point of view from one of a number of 
"new-generation-because-we're-thirty-and-under" Nanci Fans.

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Subject: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:38:40 -0800 (PST)
   From: Lynn mitchell (lynnmitch@yahoo.com>

John Alvord types

> Since Nanci appears to be cooperating, the common reaction seems to speak
> volumes about our "relationship" with Nanci compared to her understanding
> of her own artistry and career. 

If that's true then Nanci's commercial sense has reached the heights of
its own ridiculousness, worse even than the failed mca marketing
strategy to make a country singer out of her.
She probably didn't have much of a hand in the thing, and perhaps his
view of having her blessing was that she didn't threaten to slap him
with a lawsuit over the remixes.
True -- we represent the people who will listen to her albums rain or
shine. I see no connection between the remixes and her "artistry".
They rehash her dust.
If it is true that she approved of these -- then she's more than ready
for Betty Ford.
But John's right. These comments speak volumes.

from deep lurkdom,
mitch

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Subject: Re: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:20:39 -0500 (EST)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@cloud9.net>

On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, lynn mitchell wrote:

> If thats true then Nanci's commercial sense has reached the heights of
> its own ridiculousness, worse even than the failed mca marketing
> strategy to make a country singer out of her.
> She probably didn't have much of a hand in the thing, and perhaps his
> view of having her blessing was that she didn't threaten to slap him
> with a lawsuit over the remixes.
> True -- we represent the people who will listen to her albums rain or
> shine. I see no connection between the remixes and her "artistry".
> But Johns right. These comments speak volumes.
 
I think there is a pretty big chasm between our perceptions and hers.
Remember the Sessions at 54th street interview where she deprecated her
voice and said that her only real talent was guitar playing? In my
estimation her voice is near the top, her songwriting is a close second,
and I rarely even think about her guitar playing. I mean compared to Leo
Kottke, or Frank Christian, or Brooks Wiliams (or Steve Vai, my supreme
god) Nanci doesn't even rate a mention (in my list).

So unless she is playing silly mind games, she is in a whole different
place.


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Subject: NN: The Genius of Roy Rede
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:26:35 +0000
   From: Andrew Layden (andrew.layden@strath.ac.uk>

Ha, ha!  I've just listened to the St. Teresa Remix WAV.  Mr Rede's track is
nothing short of comic genius.  Really, I'm wiping the tears from my eyes.
Ha! Ha!

Nanci must really have a wicked sense of humour for her to "bless" this
remix of such a personal song.  I had forgotten about this remix business,
writing it off as a hoax.  Earlier this year, I posted a message on the
NanciNet asking Mr Rede to "reassure all the concerned fans by describing some
of his previous work."  He never replied.  Why not?  Got something to hide?
(Quite likely, if these WAVS are anything to go by)

Thanks (?) to Shawn for hosting these samples for us all to listen to.

Andrew Layden

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Subject: NN: CLUB KIDS UNITE!
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:58:54 -0800 (PST)
   From: TROY ADAM ROEPKE (hhelen@sfsu.edu>

Oh! Dearest NanciNetters,

Greetings and salutations! The preceding discussions about the remixes
have been quite humorous to read. I do always enjoy the often heated
discussion on the list. It is a great distraction from grad school. 
Anyway, as a devout 'club kid' who regularly if not weekly attends raves,
clubs and, yes, even a 'disco', I LOOOOOOVVVVVVEEEEEE the remixes!!!!!!!
If I heard the 'St. Teresa..' remix at a club, first, I would shreik with
joy and then dance as if I was in heaven. Oh! What a fantasy! I would then
thank the DJ and thank the goddess that there is someone such as Nanci.
I would then persuade my many DJ friends who have thousands and thousands
of vinyl records to purchase it and mix it up even further. I also find 
the disparaging remarks towards disco quite interesting. First of all,
disco in the seventies is not what 'disco' is in the nineties. Second, as
a disco historian of a sorts, disco in the seventies originated in the
black and gay clubs as a form of celebration and release. It did not
become 'elitist', etc., until co-opted by the white, straight majority.
'Disco' or 'electronica' as it is called currently, is also not about
elistism. Rave communities today (when not damaged by overt commercialism
that eventually ruins everything worthwhile) can be a very spiritual and
healing place as it is for me and my friends, and, yes, without any
chemical stimulation. Finally, remixing an artist's material does expose
them to new and young artist. Many of my city friends (I grew up in rural
Nebraska and Texas) fell in love with Dolly Parton after her remixes
where released and have subsequently purchased many of her albums. This
past year when Tammy Wynette passed on to that great big rave in the sky,
my compatriots held a memorial dance at a local club. I realize that these
arguments and examples are not widely accepted and are isolated events
that would only take place in CALIFORNIA (WHATEVER!!!), but, please, let
us not be folk snobs. Thank you and have Barbra Beautiful Day!!!

In Nanci Love,
Hateful Helen
a.k.a. Troy

P.S. Just a little note on the disparaging California comments. There are
some people who move here because it on the few places where a gay man can
feel safe. I left Texas after one to many assaults and all vitriolic hate
spewed my way.

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci re-mixes
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:55:53 EST
   From: BMiller224@aol.com

I really am glad to see that Nanci is doing different sorts of things with
her creative talents, like her ballet project, the upcoming publication of
her novel and, yes, the re-mixes.

Many of the best popular musicians have successfully reinvented themselves
during their careers.  Johnny Cash, Emmylou Harris and Rosanne Cash all
come to mind.  So does Elvis Presley, and even Pat "no more Mister Nice
Guy" Boone.

Now, change is not necessarily good, of course.  Elvis is still the King and
always has been.  But I dont think his transformation into a Vegas-style 
crooner was an improvement.

The reactions to the re-mixes illustrate a kind of successive re-invention
on the NanciNet, as well.  Back in 1995, it seemed to me that any mention
of an explicitly religious theme in connection with Nanci or her music
tended to be regarded as unwelcome proselytizing.  The discussion of "St.
Teresa" in 1997 changed that drastically, so that religious themes in
connection to Nancis music and her outlook were discussed at some length.

Now, some NNers find the "St. Teresa" re-mix sample to be offensive,
shocking, even almost sacrilegious!

Personally, I dont have a problem per se with a song of mourning being
performed in a lively fashion.  Think about the famous New Orleans jazz
funerals, for instance, where the funeral music is not all what we would
normally call "funereal." Or even the lively singalong, "Wasnt that a
Mighty Storm," which after all memorializes a tragic disaster.

Bruce Miller
San Bruno, CA

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Subject: NN: Remixes...opinion then and now
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:25:58 -0800
   From: Kati Rose (katirose@vmicro.com>

Always the lurker, I rarely get into any kind of discussion in the mailing
list.  But since my opinion of these new remixes has changed since my first
listen to, I thought I'd give my two cents worth.  At first, the only two I
liked were the Gulf Coast Highway (I just love baroque), and I really liked
the bassoon version of LNGH...one of my favorte songs, and instruments
combined make for a really good combination.  AT FIRST, I didn't like the
gomi.wav nor the Teresa.wav.  In fact I laughed when I heard St. Teresa
because it sounded rather ridiculous.  But after reading some other peoples
opinions about these two wavs...made me go back and listen to them
again...and they grew on me.  I actually kinda like the Gomi mix now and
St. Teresa...well I'm still getting used to it...but I'm not cringing like
I did when I first heard it.  So, now I think...whenever this remix albums
is finally released...I'm definately gonna get it!!!  

Well, I guess that's it folks, gonna run back to lurkdom!  Take care all!

KatiRose

http://users.ez2.net/katirose/MyUniverse/NanciChat.html  (Nanci Chat room)  

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Subject: Re: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:37:04 EST
   From: RonHennesy@aol.com

In a message dated 11/2/98 11:36:18 AM Central Standard Time, jalvo@cloud9.net
(John Alvord) writes:

(( I think there is a pretty big chasm between our perceptions and hers.
Remember the Sessions at 54th street interview where she deprecated her voice
and said that her only real talent was guitar playing? In my
estimation her voice is near the top, her songwriting is a close second, and
I rarely even think about her guitar playing. I mean compared to Leo Kottke,
or Frank Christian, or Brooks Willams (or Steve Vai, my supreme god) Nanci
doesn't even rate a mention (in my list).
>>

Hello, John.

I have always thought Nanci was brilliant in all three arts: songwriting,
singing, and guitar playing.

Maybe in recent years, due to the growth in size of the Blue Moon Orchestra,
her instrumental skill has become less noticeable.

Her guitar skill is VERY apparent in her Anderson Fair video "One Fair Summer
Evening," particularly in "Working in Corners," with its modern jazz
harmonies; and in the wonderfully clever guitar part of "Love at the Five and
Dime," with the harmonics she says sound like an elevator door opening.

Best wishes,

Ron Hennessy

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Subject: Re: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:41:24 -0500
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

At 12:20 PM 11/2/98 -0500, John Alvord wrote:
>Remember the Sessions at 54th street interview where she deprecated her
>voice and said that her only real talent was guitar playing? In my
>estimation her voice is near the top, her songwriting is a close second,
>and I rarely even think about her guiatr playing. I mean compared to Leo
>Kottke, or Frank Christian, or Brooks Wiliams (or Steve Vai, my supreme
>god) Nanci dosn't even rate a mention (in my list).

    Not to say that I don't get your point... I agree that Nanci's vocal and
songwriting talents are tops but I had to comment that I have always been
impressed with Nanci's guitar skills.  While she may not make a list of
guitar gods (or godesses) I do think a good deal of her finger style playing
is worth listening for (I wish I could play a tenth as well).  I don't think
Nanci was trying to imply a Steve Vai virtuosity on the instrument.
    I wanted to relate that sitting through a Leo Kottke concert was one of
the most torturous experiences for me.  No doubt he has great technical
skills, but he failed to reach the audience I attended with.  Most songs had
a sameness about them and dragged on to excrutiating length.  Half of his
set sounded like scale excercises.  A full third of the crowd left before
his set was finished... it might have even been more before it all ended,
but I left with the others after offering my respect for an hour.  I do have
some recorded music by him and in small doses I can find him "interesting". 

Mike  

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Subject: Re: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:41:56 -0500
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

It was all that talk of tube tops and discos a year or so back on NN that
must have given Nanci the idea we were hungering for her to move into the
dance music arena!   Or perhaps this a way of her having a laugh along with us!

Mike

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Subject: NN: Remixer beaten but alive...
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:53:33 EST
   From: NanciMixer@aol.com

Well the love it/hate it vote tally is now 2-1 for the positive, but it
includes the 55 personal e-mails I sorted through today. Again, we are simply
trying to get urban kids to hear Nanci. It's a shame that we have to sneak her
brilliance in under the guise of "dance pop", but everyone should get the
chance to hear her. The thought of turning a whole new generation on to Nanci
has the added benefit that they will hear her message and feel her light.
Nanci's music has made me feel and cry and love and wonder and laugh and yes,
dance. 
I only hope that other kids can do the same.
Please reserve judgement until y'all hear the full versions.
Waving the flag higher and harder each day,
Roy Rede

// A quick review of tonight's digest doesn't come close to 2-1, but it *is*
// about even...[BP]
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Subject: NN: Remixes, etc...
   Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:09:09 -0500
   From: "Jennifer Woollatt" (jmwoollatt@dmci.net>

Greetings from a year-long heavy-duty lurker...

I must say I am very surprised at the reactions on this list to these
samples, I found them delightful and fun. The GCH version really seemed
interesting and I was bouncing in my chair during the LNGH bit. I was not at
all offended by the St. Teresa sample, however I didn't find it as
interesting as the others.

It never ceases to amaze me the diversity within Nanci's fan base... I think
maybe we assume in out united respect for Nanci we all come from a similar
place. And yet, I am always gasping at posts "dissing" my favorites and my
favorites torn to shreds!!!

On another note, I was fortunate to meet Nanci 2 weekends ago at the Ann
Arbor Borders book signing. However, I am ashamed to report that I became no
more than jello as I approached her signing table, and my eyes filled with
tears. My voice wavered...I was simply overwhelmed. I had forgotten the
speech I had rehearsed, and instead I gave fractured bits of it that were
completely nonsense. I certainly didn't expect that to happen, and am still
recovering from my embarrassment! But I did get a lovely poster and book
signed...

Back into hiding,
Jennifer Woollatt
jmwoollatt@dmci.net
web page: http://www2.dmci.net/users/jmwoollatt

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Subject: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:41:30 -0500 (EST)
   From: ingaqotr@CTC.Net (Amy C. McKibbin)

Let's remember that Nanci's "blessing" on the remixing project does
not add up to participation or even endorsement.  She may simply feel that
artists - no matter what their "art" or how much we like or dislike it - are
entitled to work, and she was open-minded enough to let the guys work with
her music in this manner.  I always wondered how Wierd Al Yankovic got
permission to do half the things that HE did....he must've needed the
original songwriters' "blessing" to write his parodies - but that doesn't
mean approval.

Are we letting whether we feel the aNGel approves of the pieces decide
whether *we* approve of them?  We shouldn't.  Personally, I loathe most of
them, with the exception of the baroque GCH.  But don't decide based on her
perceived or imagined or even real opinion - like the man said, she may have
an entirely different concept of her music and its many forms.  Love 'em or
leave 'em.

Amy "we always make each other grow musically" M.

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Subject: Re: NN: remixes
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:58:42 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Hey Nancidudes,  (ladies, read no further) 

Mike Chesman wrote:
> 
> It was all that talk of tube tops and discos a year or so back on NN that
> must have given Nanci the idea we were hungering for her to move into the
> dance music arena!   Or perhaps this a way of her having a laugh along with us!

Oh gawd, I knew I'd get blamed for this somehow!  But hold on a second,
I've been thinking... I got a few volunteers to model those NanciNet
tube tops, so you guys don't fret too much about this disco thing.  I
mean, imagine this scenario:  You walk into the club, your hair slick
and glistening, your patent white shoes sparkling as they prismatically
reflect the colors of the mirror ball.  You wink and snap your fingers
at the Gomiesque DJ--a prearranged signal--then point your finger to the
sky as your white leisure suit opens to reveal your sexy, unbuttoned
shirt and 24k gold dangley thing. The beat to St. Teresa starts pumping
and, to the surprise of every lady in the club, you sing along in exact
unison to every single word. --Just think of the possibilities! 
Remember, we're the same dudes who have trouble snapping our fingers
along with Lee during "Going Back To Georgia!"  C'mon man, this is our
big chance!

Warm Regards,
-Shawn "fledgling club kid" Kimbro

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Subject: Re: NN: Remixer beaten but alive...
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:19:18 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Hi folks, 

I've just made some changes to the web site containing the remix clips:

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2893/remix.html

According to Roy, Nanci's management is concerned that the clips are the
property of I/O Records and not Mr. Rede, although Roy is one of the
producers working on the project.  I should also tell you that Mr. Rede
sent me much longer clips of the songs, but it just isn't practical to
post them as wav files.  I'll try and mess around with Real Audio a
little in hopes of making the entire clips available.  However, I
believe the segments I posted to be representative of the clips I was
sent.

Warm Regards, 
-Shawn "don't shoot the messenger" Kimbro

 _______________Nanci Is My Aeroplane___________________
|                 __       ____         Shawn Kimbro    |
| "And she        | \____o__/_/___|    Morristown, TN   |
|  shoots him as  \(>-----_/_/____]>         ~          |
|  he whistles"            `o     |  kimbro@planetc.com |
|_________ http://www.geocities.com/~trailzzone ________|

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Subject: Re: NN: Remixer beaten but alive...
   Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:01:14 -0700
   From: Suzanne Jameson (sqcomps@azstarnet.com>

NanciMixer@aol.com wrote:
>Again, we are simply
> trying to get urban kids to hear Nanci. It's a shame that we have to sneak her
> brilliance in under the guise of "dance pop", but everyone should get the
> chance to hear her. 

The logic of this escapes me.  If someone doesn't listen (note I use
listen rather than simply hear) to a certain artist's music because they
don't care for that genre of music, then WHY should the music be
changed?  If this had been standard operating procedure throughout
history we would not have the music of Mozart, Dizzy Gillespie, Talking
Heads, et al to enjoy.  It's not that I'm against "dance" music,
however, I am against taking music that was never meant to be spun on a
disco floor and mutating its essence.

>The thought of turning a whole new generation on to Nanci
> has the added benefit that they will hear her message and feel her light.

It would be truly wonderful to turn everyone on to the music of Nanci
Griffith.  But that music should be the music of Nanci Griffith...not
some individual who changes it to fit his own tastes and agenda.  I
respect his right to his own opinion but not when he changes something
that doesn't belong to him for his own gain.

> Please reserve judgement until y'all hear the full versions.

I have heard enough to know that I do not want to hear the full
versions.

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