// This long digest is the result of not remembering to do the digest
// last night :).  It includes major traffic through noon or so of
// Friday, November 6.  
// First order of business tonight is a little "what's happening with
// the list?" guidelines. Then we talk about Nanci's appearance in 
// Nashville, a little Lyle Lovett, a little "Cry, Cry, Cry," an 
// opportunity to see John Gorka, and other sundry items. 
// Enjoy... [BP]
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Subject: NN: Some guidelines
   From: Bill Page (bpage@scctel.com>

Hey y'all...

Someone sent me a side note asking, "What's with the 'HUH?' thing?"

That provides me a good opportunity to share with all of you my philosophy for
moderating the list. You're free to question it, and to make suggestions; just
remember that too much input will qualify you as a volunteer to be the next list
manager!

I don't believe in censoring a list, especially the basic, unmoderated "nanci"
list. Having said that, there are filters in the system to screen out messages
that may be spam, or keep obviously objectionable material from spilling into
the bandwidth. Within those confines, almost anything posted to the "nanci" list
will make it across the airways. 

However, there are times when someone crosses the boundary between "good" posts
and "bad" posts. This will be my subjective call (and I'll try to be
consistent). My preferred method of dealing with a post that crosses the line is
to reply to it with the word, "Huh?" Ocassionally, it may even get a double
"Huh!" And while there are those who delight in pushing the envelope to see what
gets a "huh?", it is hoped that this simple and non-violent method will help
keep us on track.

The digest is another matter. For four years, Mark has "moderated" the digest,
filtering out chatty one-liners and the "me-too" posts, or those that digress
way beyond the "huh?" bounds. Those of us on mulitple lists have been
appreciative of the differnce between judicious editing and the open digest
approach of some other lists, where everything posted to the main list
automatically goes to the digest. I'm still learning what I feelk comfortable
with putting in the digest, to the degree that I am thus far erring to the side
of too much rather than not enough. 

Things that will make your post "value added" rather than noise:
 -- limit the extent to which you quote other posts. A note that has an
extensive quote, to which you only add a word or two, will likely not make the
digest, and may get you on the filter list.
 -- if replying from the digest, be sure to change the subject line to match
your discussion, not "digest #XXX"
 -- try not to get TOO long winded :) A post that is over a certain length will
automatically bounce; may still get posted, but it will be delayed
 -- and no flames; you're expected to disagree (this is, after all, folk music),
but keep the discussions above the belt

'Nuff said, I think...thanks for putting up with me.

Bill

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Subject: Re: NN: Some guidelines
   From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>

((((this is, after all, folk music)>>>

Bill (and the rest of you good people)

I'm shocked...!

Of course you mean f*** music, polite folks don't use that word in the company
of ladies or servants, for fear of provocation...

I'm sure a full and frank apology will follow, in the meantime
I'm going back to my d***o albums, follwed by some p*** and s***,

all the best,

Robert (Pugsley)

i.e. Chic, followed by The Ramones, followed by Otis Redding...

p.s. as for the guidelines, they seem fair enough, but shouldn't there
be some kind of reverse 'HUH' maybe 'AHH' to denote great pleasure
in a particular post?

// Hmmm...not a bad idea...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Jack Ingram and Nanci
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

Last night my wife I had a chance to talk with up and coming Texas country
singer/songwriter Jack Ingram at the Ark during the break between his and
James McMurtry's sets. I told him we were big Nanci fans and asked what he
thought of the compliment paid to him by her in her new book. He looked
puzzled, so I explained her quote on page 73, where she's talking about the
so-called New Country, and says what she defines as real New Country. "New
Country is Iris DeMent, Jack Ingram, Gillian Welch." Knowing she holds these
women in such high regard, this is quite a compliment, I said. 

Jack beamed. "Wow! She really said that? Man, that's really cool... I feel
honored.." and so on. He was unaware of the book and asked all about it and
where he could get it. It was clear he was really moved to hear that Nanci,
whom he obviously really admires, would speak of him in that context. When it
was time to go hear James play he said "Thanks alot for telling me that. I'm
on cloud nine now." 

Steve

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Subject: NN: Dream cover: Peggy O
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

One of the few things I did manage to say to Nanci at the Borders signing was
how moved I was at Rocky Mtn Folks Fest in '95, when she dedicated "Across The
Great Divide" to Jerry Garcia and Kate Wolf. This was just shortly after
Garcia had died. I usually get choked up at her concerts anyway, but that
night the tears were flowing profusely. At Borders she talked about how Jerry
and Kate were dear friends, as she had in Colorado.

If the folk community ever does a tribute cd to Jerry and/or the Grateful
Dead (and they certainly should), the song I'd want Nanci to sing is Peggy O,
which was my favorite Garcia-sung ballad. I don't know who wrote or originally
recorded this traditional song (also known as Fennario), but I'm pretty sure
it's been covered by both Dylan and Joan Baez. Nanci could do the
quintessential version.

Steve  

// I'm kinda fond of the Simon & Garfunkel version, myself...[BP]

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Subject: NN: The Bum Ticker
   From: "Steve Goldberger" (steve@aldgategroup.com>


Hey NanciNetters,

Once again a heartfelt thanks to all those who have emailed me with your
wishes and blessings for my upcoming heart surgery.  I just found out today
that I'm going in on Monday Nov 9th. Yikes!

I am assembling my Nanci CD selections for my hospital stay - a little
musical spiritual recovery assistance.  And I just picked up a very tiny
portable speaker system so I don't have to wear phones.

For anyone that might be interested, I am documenting this experience in a
journal and it can be found at the web site below.
http://www.aldgategroup.com/BumTickerPages/BumtickerHomePage1.htm

See ya'll in a few weeks or so.

Steve Goldberger,
Toronto

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Subject: NN: Searchable Archives
   From: Shelly Brisbin (sbrisbin@prismnet.com>

Hi Y'all,

As Bill pointed out, the NanciNet archives are now searchable. I hadn't
planned to announce this just yet, 'cause I'm still working on making the
links work right, and moving pages into place around the site. But since my
little secret has been revealed, please feel free to dive in. Be warned
though, that besides for the archives themselves, the rest of The Blue Moon
Page is in shambles, as I transition to the new site, and try to keep the
rest of my life going, too. Please be patient with me.


http://brisbin.net/Nanci/archives/arc.html

-shelly "those links aren't broken, they're resting" Brisbin

// several folks have posted notes thanking Shelly for this work...

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Subject: NN: Re: Covers, remix, etc.
   From: Don Good (good@cncacc.cn.edu>

I just got this from the James Taylor list:

>James Taylor Online - http://www.james-taylor.com/

>JT Cover Collection
>I'll be creating a new section on the site for JT cover songs by JTO folks.
>I'll take no more than one song per person, convert it to RealAudio, and
>put it online for your peers to hear. Please don't send any songs without
>contacting me first. If you'd like to contribute a song, contact me (see
>the bottom of this message for a link) and I'll advise you about formats
>and which songs have been done.

Hmmmm, interesting idea.  Kind of eerie in light of all the remix talk,
considering that JT's backup singer is the other voice in GCH (for which
you can put me down as a "like", now St. Teresa. . . uh, never mind).  Hey,
maybe there should be some kind of name for these kinds of "coincidences"
*g*.

I finally read Dawn-Marie's famous GCH post.  Dawn-Marie, I'm still
wipping the tears away.

BTW Bill, you're doing a great job of handling all this. Please keep up the
good work!

Don "more than a whisper shy of a sharp edge - no mixed metaphors here" Good

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Subject: NN: what is real for me
   From: "Barnett, Kimberly" (KBARNET@dhs.state.ia.us>

Hi every one.  I am a lurker for sure.  I have been reading some of the
postings lately.  Nanci's music has always been real for me.  When she
is sing or when others are.  I can recognize it in a heart beat and it
makes be smile.  I am not a critic.  I am a listener.  I play my guitar
and some times I play a song by Nanci.  Boy it may not be just like she
does it but, it always makes me happy that it is available to me.  I
appreciate her efforts.  As I know all of you do too.  I know that the
internet is a world wide institution, and being an American, I value the
right of individuals to be able to say what they want even if I
disagree.  I think that we all can agree to that.  

KB " back to luking"

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Subject: NN: Nanci at the Hard Rock
   From: Robert & Barb Braswell (bbraswell2@compuserve.com>

As previously noted Nanci was part of a Harlan Howard benefit held at the
Hard Rock Cafe last night in Nashville. Each participant sang two songs
with Nanci selecting Outbound Plane and a tribute song to Harlan Howard she
had written some 10 years ago. We were fortunate to have front row seats,
and  are able to confirm that Nanci is looking very nice and sounding very
good. She is also playing the guitar very well and also telling little
stories in the way that only Nanci can tell them. 

It was so nice to have so much talent on one stage in one evening. Matraca
Berg and Beth Nielsen Chapman served as co-hosts(Ron, you should have been
there) along with Harlan Howard. Others that I may have missed on the
previous post include songwriters Jon Vezner, Hugh Prestwood, Karen Taylor
Good, and Marshall Chapman. Rodney Crowell was unable to attend and Vince
Gill ended the evening by singing 3 songs.

Again, it was a great night. And it was nice to once more be able to
appreciate the many attributes that Nanci possesses. To them  I might also
add her graciousness. Hope all Netters are able to see her in the not too
distant future.
Regards to all, Bob

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Subject: NN: Arnold McCuller
   From: "Miller, Dianne" (Dianne.Miller@mail.house.gov>

I would think that people on this list would be more familiar with
Arnold's work as part of Lyle Lovett's Large Band.  Check out your liner
notes folks -- he sings back up on at least two of Lyle's albums
including the Lyle Lovett and His Large Band and Joshua Judges Ruth
albums.  He's the awesome tenor on "Church."   Fans of sitcom TV will
also recognize Arnold's voice from the theme song for "Mad About You."

After hearing him open for Lyle two or three summers ago at Wolf Trap, I
went out to buy his solo albums.  I wouldn't classify them as "standard
lounge material," though his style is much more soul/r&b than Lyle's.
Glad to hear that he's contributing to the Nanci remix project.  Am
looking forward to giving them a listen as soon as I get a hold of a
computer that is technologically capable doing so.

As for people who have covered and been covered by Nanci, I'm planning
to catch Robert Earl Keen at the Birchmere next week.  Saw him this
summer as the opening act for the Cowboy Junkies (sadly, they did not
sing Lo Mein) and am really looking forward to hearing more from the new
album, Walking Distance.  It's a winner in my books.

Dianne

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Subject: The new Lyle Lovett CD
   From: Bill Page (bpage@scctel.com>

Hey, y'all...

A couple of folks have mentioned that Arnold McCuller, who is said to be the
male voice on the Gulf Coast Highway remix (and really, he does this solo the
way I think it ought to be done...at least as well as Hooker does), often sings
backup for Lyle Lovett, who did his own backup singing on some of Nanci's early
CDs, and is said to have often slept on the couch in the Taylor-Griffith home
back in those good old days. This tenuous Nanci content gives me an opening to
do my own rave about the oft-mentioned Lyle Lovett release, "Step Inside This
House." I bought this 2-disk set last Saturday at Sam the Record Man in Toronto
(for $15 Canadian!), and have been listening to it since. 

As has been mentioned, this is Lyle's "Other Voices," in that he is covering the
works of several Texas writers whom he admires. These guys are mostly familiar
to us from Nanci's past: Vince Bell (hi, Sarah), Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clark,
Eric Taylor (Nanci's ex), Uncle Walter Hyatt, Robert Earl Keen, Michael Martin
Murphy, Steve Frumholz, et al. The first disk has eleven cuts representing 9
writers, and is extremely good stuff. The second disk has 10 tracks representing
only Uncle Walt, Frumholz, and Townes, and while not as strong as the first, is
better thematically. 

Lyle has also scaled this one back. One of the things I like about Lyle is that
his music is designed for acoustic settings without a lot of extraneous studio
work (at least it sounds that clean!). Here, without all the brass and backup
voices that accompany him with the Large Band, Lyle has just the basics: bass
(Viktor Krauss), drums (Russ Kunkel), guitar (Dean Parks), piano (Matt
Rollings), with occasional additional sounds. The core musicians have played
with him for years (with the exception of Krauss, Alison's brother). For the
extras, Lovett recruited the best: Jerry Douglas on dobro, Sam Bush on
mandolin...and Alison Krauss as a backup singer.

It's good stuff, folks. Cleanly engineered, fine sounds...if it weren't for that
Kate Campbell person and her "Visions of Plenty," this would be my favorite
recording so far this year.

Bill "I like Lyle" Page

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Subject: Re: NN: The new Lyle Lovett CD
   From: Ron Crain (ron@arken.net>

>It's good stuff, folks. Cleanly engineered, fine sounds...if it weren't
for that
>Kate Campbell person and her "Visions of Plenty," this would be my favorite
>recording so far this year.
>
>Bill "I like Lyle" Page

I have to agree with you to a point Bill, however IMHO, I think the 2 CD
set get's a little monotonous - I find it better to listen to only 1/2 a CD
at a time.  I feel he needs to mix up the tempo of the songs similar to
what Nanci does - as it is, to my tastes, all the songs merge into one
large barge of a song.

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Subject: NN: Beth Nielsen Chapman
   From: Susan Peete (suepeete@cruzio.com>

I have a feature called 'Recommended Album Of The Month" on the Music By
Candlelight website.

I have display Beth Nielsen Chapman - Sand And Water CD for the month of Nov.
I know it's last years' album but I have been asked a lot if I have the CD
for sale. So it seems people are still interested in it.

The CD links are to Amazon.com. If you purchase the Sand And Water CD
through these links, it will help with Maggie's transplant fund.

And you can read a nice review and see great photos by NanciNetter Hans Janssen.

To go directly to the Recommended Album Of The Month:
http://gate.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight/AOM/aom.htm

Enjoy

Susan Peete
suepeete@cruzio.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/ 
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*MUSIC BY CANDLELIGHT*                   USED CDs
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight
"THERE'S A LIGHT BEYOND THESE WOODS MARY MARGARET"
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// The original post had an error that Susan corrected almost immediately.
// I have taken the liberty to weave the correction into the original...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Cry Cry Cry
       From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

Based on about a dozen recommendations I've seen, I bought it. Folk
music just keeps getting better and better. This CD has one song alone
which is worth the cost. Dar Williams, Lucy Kaplansky, and Richard 
Shindell do a three voice minor key harmony acappella. The song title
is Northern Cross, and it is extraordinary. The rest of the album is
nothing to sneeze at, either.

Ed
(I just had to teach my spel cheker *acappella*)

// As a couple of us pointed out, it's actually "a capella"
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Subject: NN: Roy Responds to Catelaw
   From: NanciMixer@aol.com

For the record, a drum & bass kid named Cyril remixed St. Theresa, not I!
(although the long version is one of my personal favorites)
Plus, it was not Roy nor I/O records, nor my cat that asked for St. Theresa to
be remixed. Hold onto your hats kids, I/O told me that it was Nanci.

roy rede (heading back under the bed)

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Subject: NN: Remixes
   From: c572559@showme.missouri.edu

I don't see why it should matter whether NG asked for or authorized or
whatever any of the remixes.  Those who don't like, say, the remix of St.
Theresa probably won't change their minds if NG's seal of approval
is stamped on it, just as those who do like it formed their opinion
independently of knowing whether NG was involved at all in the project.
Just as it should be, I think.  

For what it's worth, I kinda hope it's true that NG had some role in this
remix project.  I think it's pretty admirable for an artist to
approve, or at least not raise a big fuss about, radical reworkings of
her songs.  

Thom "This tolerance doesn't apply to MUZAK, of course" Bassett

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Subject: NN: Gordon's GCH remix Q&A
   From: NanciMixer@aol.com

Gordon1717 writes:
ps. Tell me what you used on the strings on GCH......  I have been struggling
with an M1 and trying desperately to even approximate a quartet and have
failed miserably.  Is it the keyboard or the execution I wonder.  Perhaps I
should execute the keyboard and be done with it.  Any tips?

Hey Gordon, the record sounds so full because I recorded 36 live strings. It's
scored for 6 part string ensemble. 2 violins, 1 viola, 2 cellos and 1 bass. We
decided that in order to get a fuller sound, we'd have to go all the way and
do it right. The choir is also a full 54 voice SATB choir. The harpsichord I
played live on the Kurzweil and if you listen really closely, you can hear
Nanci strumming her guitar gingerly in time with the harpsichord in the
background during the last verse!
RRede

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Subject: NN: Michael's Song
   From: hr ziegler (henryruth@yahoo.com>

I don't know if anyone has commented on this yet but here is what I
know of Michael. His name is Michael (Mike) Williams and he is a
songwriter. I happened to sit next to him at Jim Rooney's birthday
party/musical celebration at a Nashville club a few years ago. I had
no idea who he was but we started talking about music and naturally
the conversation turned to Nanci. That is when he told me his
connection to Nanci. He said he was impressed when he saw her perform
TALBTWMM in a noisy bar in Texas and she was able to quiet the room.
He had a record label called BFD Records and helped produce her first
album. Mike said he did not agree with Nanci's vision of him in her
song. He said that Nanci thought he was covering up a "darker side" 
because he acted happy all of the time. He said that Nanci tended to
be depressed and she could not understand how he could stay in an
upbeat mood. I must say that Mike came across as one of the
friendliest people you'd ever want to meet. He was a hippie with long
thick blondish-yellow hair and beard. He sat at the table with his
notebook full of lines he had written down for future songs. He told
me that John Denver had recorded one of his songs but I don't remember
the name or the album. 
I'm counting down the days (18) until I travel to see my Nanci in
Dublin!
Best Wishes,
Susan

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Subject: Re: NN: Some guidelines
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Hi Bill and everyone, 

I just wanted to say publicly how much I appreciate the work you're
doing as list manager.  Yes, with 40+ messages a day now due to this,
ahem, remix project, it certainly is work.  I hope you're enjoying your
side as much as most of us are enjoying ours.  The transition was
seemless and I like your style sir.  Keep up the good work!

Warm Regards, 
-Shawn
 ___________________Nanci Is My Aeroplane___________________
|                     __       ____         Shawn Kimbro    |
| "You can fly away   | \____o__/_/___|    Morristown, TN   |
|  on the rocket or   \(>-----_/_/____]>         ~          |
|  spin in the mouse"          `o     |  kimbro@planetc.com |
|___________ http://www.geocities.com/~trailzzone __________|

// Your check's in the mail ;) [BP]
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Subject: Re: NN: Roy's comments
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@cloud9.net>

(quotes snipped> [BP]

Unless things have changed, Other Voices, Too was the last album under the
Elektra contract. And Nanci stated clearly (last year) the OV2 would the
last album... at least for many years. [Sessions at 54th Street interview]

Of course, maybe things have changed and we don't have all the facts. At
least the recorded music doesn't change.

John alvord


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Subject: NN: John Gorka tickets in Charlotte
   From: coneill@oaoservices.com

I've been lurking for several months now and I don't recall ever seeing any
reference to John Gorka so this may be in vain but. . .

I bought two tickets to see John Gorka at the Great Aunt Stella Center in
Charlotte on Sat. Nov. 14 and *unfortunately* I will not be able to attend
the show.  The tickets are in Row D/Center Stage and although I've never
been to the Great Aunt Stella Center I understand it's a smaller venue
(3-400 cap.).  Anybody interested??They cost me $25 each with the Evil God
Ticketron-the-TicketMaster's handling charge, but I'd be willing to cut the
price--I'd really hate to see them go to waste.

Christina "Listening to Shawn Kimbro's webpage background music" ONeill

// AMY! You and Caroline! Go, girls...[BP]
// Okay, BLAKE! 

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