NanciNet Digest 11-12-98
// The madness has begun! Tonight we start with the favorite albums of
// the year lists...last year we kept those out of the digest, but hey,
// I'm new at this...what I am doing is putting all the lists at the
// end of the digest, so you can skip them if you wish.
// We also answer the question of "why do they call them albums,"
// get another report from a Florida (!) folk fest, and investigate
// Nanci's Christmas repertoire.
// Enjoy... [BP
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Subject: NN: Wings, Strings, Hoaxes.
From: raj@inspace.net
That's right, I'm back with my Nanci Remix Conspiracy
theory. I figure Shawn K to be the kingpin and our new list
manager has gotta be in on it. Hey, anyone with a
synthesizer can pull this stunt off, i can't believe y'all
are falling for it. I have PROOF around here somewhere, but
I seem to have... misplaced it. That's right. As soon as I
relocate it, I'll post it for the world to see.
Maybe one of the villains STOLE the evidence while I was
camped out at the Wings and Strings Festival in Polk City.
Polk City is in Florida, roughly halfway between Orlando and
Tampa, but it ain't much of a city. It's really a
collection of mobile homes, orange groves, and pastures
surrounding an old airport-turned-theme-park.
We were treated to three days and nights of folk,
country, and bluegrass music and the very best weather in
the whole darn country, thank you very much. Heading the
bill was Asleep At The Wheel, Robert Earl Keen, and Trout
Fishing in America, and there were about 50 others
performing on the eight stages that were set up in various
sized tents around the old airport grounds. Friends of
Florida Folk was there sponsoring the Women Music Alliance
stage, too.
My Mom's favorites were Public Radio's Kate MacKenzie and
the wry Roy Book Binder. My wife got a kick out of The
Austin Lounge Lizards digs at the recently deposed Newt and
their version of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of the Moon", with
banjo and fiddle. I was impressed by The Freighthoppers, a
high energy traditional bluegrass troupe, Thom Bresh, Del
McCoury, Bob Larkin, and the Jalapeno Bros, none of whom had
I heard before this show. There was much more. Notable was
a beautiful duet with ms. Robin Bach and one of the boys
from the Crucial Smith band (love that name) doing Kate
Wolf's "Across the Great Divide" during one of the
workshops.
By the way, there were THOUSANDS of people out here for
this one. Popular wisdom (in the music industry) is that
this kind of stuff won't draw flies in this part of the
country. It's a hopeful sign after reading reports of sparse
attendance at some of the summer tours up north.
I saw no NanciNet shirts or buttons. Of course, I wasn't
wearing one either. I'm undercover investigating the Remix
Scam.
Until Next Time,
Elliot Ness a.k.a. Oliver Stone
a.k.a. raj@inspace.net
Hiding on a grassy knoll in Orlando.
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Subject: Re: NN: Wings, Strings, Hoaxes.
From: LDay67@aol.com
Hi Conspiracy Instigators & Mongers,
Like many of my fellow listservants, I wonder how I/O Productions made the
choices of the songs to be remixed. It seems that the most logical choice
might have been "From a Distance." It's perhaps the most recognizable tune
from Nanci's repertoire for the general populace. Also, the perfect disco
remix could come from the Olympics version of the song featuring Nanci
Griffith, Raul Malo, and disco goddess Donna Summer. I wonder if Julie Gold
would give her blessing for such a version.
Lisa "Who's the man behind the curtain? Go get'em, Toto!" Day
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Subject: Re: NN: Holiday Tape Exchange
From: Bill Peete (billpeet@cruzio.com>
Hi Folks,
For the past three years, we've had the "Holiday Tape Exchange" and this
year I plan to do it again. I'll post all the details next week, so be sure
to stay tuned!
Cheers,
Bill
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Subject: Why they are called albums
From: MISTERCD@webtv.net (SID PORTER)
Yes, I am old enough to remember why they are called album,
unfortunately. An album used to consist of several records, sold in an
"album". That was in the days of the 78 RPM, I don't remember there
ever being 45's sold that way, althogh there were "empty" albums sold
that you could store your 45's in.
Sid "No I don't remember cylinders" Porter
Jack Kerouac taught me that dreams are only real. Nanci Griffith is
proof that Jack was right.
Eric Taylor, 1981
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Subject: NN: Albums
From: Petop@aol.com
I remember 45's sold in albums. I had a number of Original Cast albums from
the 40s in these types of albums. I may still have my Mary Martin-Ezio Pinza
"South Pacific" 45 rpm album set. These became popular when the 45s were just
being introduced because the first 45 rpm players were single speed jobs that
did not play 78s and, of course, the 33 1/3 rpm format came along many years
later. The most popular record player was actually a changer that had a box-
like shape not much bigger than a 45. You could stack up to 10 45s on it at
once. It was a single speed job with the thick, non-removable 45-sized spindle
in the middle.
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Subject: Re: NN: Albums
From: RonHennesy@aol.com
In a message dated 11/12/98 12:47:40 PM Central Standard Time, Petop@aol.com
writes:
(( I remember 45's sold in albums. I had a number of Original Cast albums from
the 40s in these types of albums. I may still have my Mary Martin-Ezio Pinza
"South Pacific" 45 rpm album set. >>
My family had the same recording of "South Pacific" in a 12" 78 rpm album.
Sometimes two short songs were fit on one side.
The first 45 album I remember, back in the late 40's, is of Tommy Dorsey with
songs like "The Sunny Side of the Street" and "Song of India." The 45s were a
pretty transparent blue!
We also had 10" 78 albums of Burl Ives and others; and in the 50's, of The
Crewcuts, and Bill Hailey and the Comets. I still have 10" 33s of Joseph
Marais and The Gaylords (before "gay" meant what it does today!).
I believe the first 33s were produced in the early 50s, or possibly earlier.
Ron Hennessy
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Subject: NN: howdy
From: SpunkiGirl (spunkigirl@yahoo.com>
hello again to everyone. i've been off the list for awhile, busy
relocating from the great grey north of cleveland to lovely austin,
texas. i just wanted to say hello to all of the austin nanci netters
and to ask where on earth is the woolworth's because i've been hunting
up and down congress in desperate need of a vanilla coke and the
sounds of a popcorn machine going pop pop pop, but all i've found are
a crowd of men in business suits and the smell of a schlotzky's turkey
original in the air. please email me with a better set of directions.
heading north on south lamar,
andrea
"I've found that almost any cat will blink when struck on the head with a
hammer."--Groucho Marx
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Subject: Re: NN: howdy
From: Susan Peete (suepeete@cruzio.com>
At 08:25 AM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>i just wanted to say hello to all of the austin nanci netters
>and to ask where on earth is the woolworth's because i've been hunting
>up and down congress in desperate need of a vanilla coke and the
>sounds of a popcorn machine going pop pop pop, but all i've found are
>a crowd of men in business suits and the smell of a schlotzky's turkey
>original in the air. please email me with a better set of directions.
Woolworths is history. But the corner is still there. You can always get
coffee at that corner. And sit at the bus stop.
Look for 6th and Congress, See:
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/Austin97/austin6.jpg
For more pictures of Austin and NanciNetters check out:
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/Austin97/austin97.html
Susan "just an Austin visiter" Peete
suepeete@cruzio.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet
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*MUSIC BY CANDLELIGHT* CDs
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight
"THERE'S A LIGHT BEYOND THESE WOODS MARY MARGARET"
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Subject: Re: NN: howdy
From: RonHennesy@aol.com
In a message dated 11/12/98 11:03:33 AM Central Standard Time,
suepeete@cruzio.com (Susan Peete) writes:
(( Woolworths is history. But the corner is still there. You can always get
coffee at that corner. And sit at the bus stop. Look for 6th and Congress.>>
In 1988 I saw Nanci in a wonderful concert in Bass Hall on the Austin campus
of the University of Texas. Robert Earl Keen opened for her. (I had the
honor of meeting him afterward, although Nanci herself had fled the crowd by
then.)
After the concert I drove to "6th and Congress" and searched for a Woolworth
store, but was saddened to find nothing but forbidding office high rises!
Ron Hennessy
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Subject: Re: NN: The Best taped Nanci-show?
From: esa.toivonen@sci.fi (Esa Toivonen)
Ron Hennessy wrote:
> One of my favorites is her performance of about 3 years ago on Public
> Broadcasting System's Austin City Limits, promoting her "Flyer" album. Her
> sister Mickie joins her and Lee Satterfield on the song "Time of
> Inconvenience."
Thanks for your reply, Ron. About that Mickie-sister, does she has any
career of her own in recording business and does she even compose her
own music too? Anything like Nanci?
It's darn cold and almost snowing here in Finland. Has Nanci ever
recorded any X-mas stuff? :-)
--
Esa
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Subject: Re: NN: The Best taped Nanci-show?
From: RonHennesy@aol.com
esa.toivonen@sci.fi (Esa Toivonen) writes:
(( About that Mickie-sister, does she has any career of her own in recording
business and does she even compose her
own music too? Anything like Nanci?
It's darn cold and almost snowing here in Finland. Has Nanci ever recorded any
X-mas stuff? :-) >>
Hi Esa!
I'm pretty sure her sister has never attempted to work as a professional
musician. However her entire family seems to be interested in music. Nanci
has included her sister and her father in shows, and both sing nicely. Of
course her grandfather and various uncles were serious local singers in Texas.
It's about 60 degrees in central Texas during the day, but the nights approach
the 30s. The only Christmas-season song I can think of in Nanci's repertory
is "Grafton Street" from her "Flyer" album.
"On Grafton Street at Christmas time
The elbows push you round
This is not my place of memories
I'm a stranger in this town."
Hardly a "joy to the world" Christmas mood!
Ron Hennessy
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Subject: NN: Christmas tunes
From: Susan Peete (suepeete@cruzio.com>
At 09:43 PM 11/12/98 +0200, Esa wrote:
>Has Nanci ever recorded any X-mas stuff? :-)
Come on you guys, you have to remember Tiny Dreamer from The Annabelle's
Wish CD.
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Subject: Re: NN: Christmas tunes
From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>
At 03:32 PM 11/12/98 -0800, Susan wrote:
>Come on you guys, you have to remember Tiny Dreamer from The Annabelle's
>Wish CD.
>
Gee, I like listening to Tiny Dreamer all year round (It may be Christmas
but like On Grafton Street you can enjoy it anytime)! The lush strings on
that album show what Nanci would sound like performing her songs with a full
orchestra.
Mike
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Subject: NN: 1998 Top Ten - The Rules
From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>
Dear all,
In the absence of any other volunteers I hereby declare
that I shall compile the 1998 NanciNet Top Ten. As Shawn
has pointed out, it is a bit early for this type of thing but
I thought I'd lay down some ground rules and if anyone disagreed
we could discuss it. If anyone wants to send in their top tens
now (and I have got a couple already) feel free, but don't be
changing your vote at the last minute! Better to wait until
you're really sure...
Right the rules are simple.
1) Send in up to ten albums, these don't have to be in order, each
one in the top ten gets one point. From past experience people have
been loath to say what the top top ten album is. If you have a real
favourite-tell us-and I'll add up those as well.
2)All albums have to be released this year. Please check, it saves me
time. They can be compilations of old stuff but if they are re-issues
of complete albums please say so (these go on a separate list).
3) Closing date is midnight Thursday 10 December. This means I can
pick up all the lists on the Friday and compile the chart over the weekend,
have it up on the list on Monday, and that gives you nearly two weeks
before Christmas to persuade your nearest and dearest that what you really
want is...well, we'll see...
4) Send the list to the whole group or to me privately (don't be shy now).
OK? Any objections? Any more rules? Then we'll begin...
Robert (Who is this Bill Page fellow going round pretending to be me?) Pugsley
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Subject: NN: RE: Top Ten
From: "Devin Bramblett" (bramblett@jcn1.com>
I am very excited about the top ten list ... I'm sure I'll be printing
it off and taking it shopping with me! I, myself, am waiting to post my
picks until after I get my copy of Lyle Lovett's new CD (next week sometime)
... and I need to listen to Cry, Cry, Cry a few more times. For some reason
I am not as excited about it as everyone else ... maybe I just haven't given
it a good enough listen.
Looking forward to more lists ...
Devin
" Don't accept that what is happening is
just a case of others' suffering
or you'll find that you're joining in the turning away."
~Pink Floyd~
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Subject: NN: Top 10 1998
From: Corn31958@aol.com
For what it's worth, here goes. May not be 10......
Lucinda Williams-Steel Wheels....
Brian Wilson-Imagination
Rufus Wainright
Beth Nielson Chapman-Sand & Water
Nanci Griffith-OVORll
John Lennon-Anthology&Wonsaponatime
Kate&Anna McGarragle-The McGarragle Hour
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Subject: Re: NN: 1998 Top Ten
From: RonHennesy@aol.com
In a message dated 11/12/98 4:16:57 AM Central Standard Time,
RMP6@leicester.ac.uk (Robert Pugsley) writes:
(( All albums have to be released this year. Please check, it saves me
time. >>
My revised list (after I checked the dates on all the albums):
X Suzy Bogguss, "Nobody Love, Nobody Gets Hurt"
X Dixie Chicks, "Wide Open Spaces"
X Nanci Griffith, "Other Voices Too"
X Faith Hill, "Faith"
X Collin Raye, "The Walls Came Down"
Reluctantly I had to delete from my list Beth Nielsen Chapman's fabulous album
"Sand and Water," which came out in 1997. If I had my druthers, I'd add
Matraca Berg's equally fabulous "Sunday Morning to Saturday Night," also
released last year.
I've heard good things about Deana Carter's new album, but I can't aford to
buy it yet, so it's not on my list.
As Collin Raye sings, "That's my story and I'm ssssssssssssticking to it!"
Note: My choices have a country bias, since in central Texas there are upteen
country stations and no folk (or f**k) stations. (I wonder what else those
asterisks could stand for. To be correct in DOS syntax, it should be "f??k".)
Ron Hennessy
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Subject: NN: Top 10 albums
From: Petop@aol.com
Here's my list for 1998 (listed in order of preference):
1. Live 1966 The Royal Albert Hall Concerts--Bob Dylan
2. Tracks--Bruce Springsteen
3 Step Inside This House--Lyle Lovett
4 Car Wheels on a Gravel Road--Lucinda Williams
5 Before These Crowded Streets--The Dave Matthews Band
6 Deja Blue --Angela Strehli
7. Sing It--Marcia Ball, Irma Thomas and Tracy Nelson
8. Wide Open Spaces--The Dixie Chicks
9. Teatro--Willie Nelson
10 Spyboy--Emmylou Harris
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Subject: NN: RE: 1998 Top Ten
From: "DeYoung, Andy G." (agdeyoun@utmb.edu>
* Cry, Cry, Cry- Dar Williams et al.
* Where Have All the Flower Gone- The Songs of Pete Seeger
* Spyboy - Emmylou Harris
* Step Inside This House- Lyle Lovett
* Treasures Left Behind - Remembering Kate Wolf
* Willory Farm- Terri Hendrix
* Horse Whisperer Sound Track
* Alabama Song - Allison Moorer
* OV Too - Nanci
* Twistin' In The Wind - Joe Ely
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Subject: NN: Top few
From: ingaqotr@CTC.Net (Amy C. McKibbin)
I probably haven't even heard 10 new ones this year, but those I have were
great. Here are my votes:
***1. Cry Cry Cry - Dar Williams, Lucy Kaplansky, Richard Shindell
2. Visions of Plenty - Kate Campbell (had to check the label, but yep - it
said 1998)
3. Nanci Griffith - OVII
4. Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels
*'s mean favorite!
Amy "the reindeer are restless" M.
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Subject: Re: NN: Top Ten
From: Brimpls@aol.com
This is such fun. I now have so many CDs to put on my Christmas Wish List,
and I thought I"d bought myself quite a few new ones already this year. But I
still don't have Emmylou's newest CD or so many of the others you all mention.
Thanks for the recommendations.
Here's my list of the Top Ten CD's Released in 1998 which I own and listen to:
1. Hal Ketchum, "I Saw the Light"....great songs, most of which I heard him
sing last month in an excellent concert and all of which sound even better
live, but this is just a fabulous CD. It is not "country" or "pop" or any
such label, just great music.
2. CPR (David Crosby, Jeff Pevar, & James Raymond)....beautiful, beautiful!
3. The Cowsills, "Global".....really! new songs written and performed by
several of the Cowsills clan, incl. Susan who you've heard singing on OVORII
with Nanci..."Global" is available only on the Internet at the moment. Feel
free to e-mail me for info about how to find it!
4. Nanci Griffith, "Other Voices, Too"....I was disappointed at first, but
there are some gems in here and it being Nanci, it definitely gets played
around here.
5. Eric Taylor, "Resurrect"....I found it in the great record shop in
Carmel, California on my recent vacation. So glad to have these songs!
6. Chris Isaak, "Speak of the Devil"...also discovered while in California,
appropriately! Much better than his previous releases. Favorite track = "I'm
Not Sleepy" = wow!
7. Joni Mitchell, "Taming the Tiger"....fascinating, esp. when she sings
about her Christmastime visit to her mother's house.
8. Lucinda Williams, "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road"...must be on everybody's
Top Ten, if they've heard it!
9. Allison Moorer, "Alabama Song"....she opened for Hal Ketchum at the
concert mentioned in #1 above. Robert Redford was right when he said she is
"the real thing" (he featured her in "The Horse Whisperer" film and
soundtrack, and she deserves to be heard).
10. Elvis Costello with Burt Bacharach, "Painted from Memory"....interesting!
Looking forward to reading more recommendations from all you people with great
taste!
Sabrina in Mpls.
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Subject: Re: NN: Top 10 albums
From: MreenParr@aol.com
I'm sure that last year we had compilation albums separately. I only make a
plea for this as there are so many really great albums this year and keeping
them to 10 is SO difficult.
If you allow me to have two separate lists, here they are, in order of
preference.
Solo albums:
1. Rufus Wainwright (Rufus Wainwright). I find this truly remarkable. It's
kind of 'decadent' in a fin-de-siecle way.
2. Kate and Anna McGarrigle (The McGarrigle hour). If you've never heard
Emmylou sing in French, or heard Loudon and Kate and their kids sing together,
check it out!
3. Lucinda Williams (Car wheels on a gravel road). It's all been said, and
it's all true.
4. Kate Campbell (Visions of plenty) Mmm, good.
5. Nanci Griffith (Other voices, too) Flawed and brilliant.
6. Dar Williams, Lucy Kaplansky, Richard Shindell (Cry, cry, cry). Oh, those
harmonies...
7. Emmylou Harris (Spyboy). 'Calling my children home' is sublime. Emmylou
gets better and better. I wish she was coming to London with Nanci later this
month.
8. Terri Hendrix (Wilory Farm). You don't know it? Ask Andy - he saw her
live in Galveston. Great stuff. Thanks to Hans for introducing her music to
me.
9. Marcia Ball, Irma Thomas and Tracy Nelson (Sing it!), This might be the
surprise inclusion of the year - I've already seen it mentioned twice. Girl
power times three.
10. The Pine Valley Cosmonauts Salute the Majesty of Bob Wills. Western
swing rocks!
Biggest disappointments: Teatro (Willie Nelson); Flaming red (Patty Griffin).
I think I might need to work on this. It might come good for me in the end.
Compilations (again in order):
1. Treasures left behind (In memory of Kate Wolf). This is my most favourite
album ever. I go to sleep to this.
2. Lilith Fair double CD, especially The Indigo Girls, Sarah McLachlan and
Jewel singing 'The water is wide'.
3. The best of the Cambridge Folk Festival. Includes Martin Carthy being
very rude about the American way of life while playing the Harry Lime theme.
(I guess you had to be there, as someone once said).
4. Troubadour (Blues, folk and beyond) From Red House Records. A wonderful
song about the Titanic 'God moves on the water'. Knocks that other one,
whatever it's called, for six.
5. Songs from the Smoke. London singer-songwriters sing about their city.
Yes, we have talent over here as well.
I almost included the Tammy Wynette memorial. Trisha Yearwood is excellent on
this; so is KT Oslin, Wynonna and others. The Pete Seeger volume one would
certainly have made the cut, but I get bored by the second volume.
OK, so what if Robert doesn't allow me to have the compilations separately?
Here's the merged 10, in order:
1. Treasures left behind
2. Rufus Wainwright
3. The McGarrigle Hour
4. Lilith Fair
5. Car wheels
6. Visions of plenty
7. Other voices, too
8. Cry,cry, cry
9. Cambridge Folk Festival
10. Troubadour
Thank yew!
Maureen
(from London)
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Subject: NN: 1998 Top Ten
From: Halesbop@aol.com
Since I'm under a self-imposed moratorium on cd purchases until after
the
holidays, there are several potentially worthy cds I haven't heard yet (Robert
Earl Keen's new one and Willie's 'Teatro' are just two). Still, I've had a
tough enough time narrowing it down to ten as it is. I won't try to rank them;
my Favorite Ten is listed alphabetically:
Johnny Adams- "Man Of My Word"
Dave Alvin- "Blackjack David"
Jimmy Buffett- "Don't Stop The Carnival"
Kate Campbell- "Visions Of Plenty"
Jerry Garcia & David Grisman- "So What"
Nina Gerber, etc.- "Treasures Left Behind- Remembering Kate Wolf"
Nanci Griffith- "Other Voices, Too"
Emmylou Harris- "Spyboy"
Gillian Welch- "Hell Among The Yearlings"
Lucinda Williams- "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road"
One cd I'd like to mention which would have made the cut if it were released
in '98, but apparently came out late last year: Jerry Jeff Walker's "Cowboy
Boots And Bathin' Suits".
Steve
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