// In which we discuss Silvertones, desparados, and dime store novels.
// A newcomer says hi, and Robert says "Uncle!"
// Enjoy...[BP]


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Subject: NN: Barbican Tape Important News!
   From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>

Dear all,

As of Friday morning (1000am GMT) I have had 26 requests for
tapes...this is about as many as I can handle!  Any more and I think my
tape machine would explode.

I've replied to everyone who has mailed me and they know what they
have to do (or don't have to do!).

I would hope that some others would volunteer to take it from here,
I know at least one other person has volunteered to do some taping.

Thanks,

Robert (who's not going to listen to the concert 26 times!!!) (Pugsley)


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Subject: NN: Re: Lucinda
   From: George Golob (geogo@earthlink.net>

I posted this before but I don't think it made the digest. Lucinda 
Williama is at the House of Blues in L.A. on February 23 and tickets 
are on sale now through Ticketmaster, for those of y'all that are 
within driving distance (or flying, or thumbing, or bouncing)
george


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Subject: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Howdy Folks!
In my continuous quest for acquiring useless trivial knowledge, I have a
question about the lyrics in Nanci's song "Drive In Movies and Dashboard
Lights". One of the verses mentions "She played a Silvertone from Montgomery
Ward". My question is, what is "Silvertone" referring to here? 
I remember back in my youth, growing up in the late 60's and early 70's,
that Sears used to carry a line of products called Silvertone. There were
Silvertone electric guitars, amplifiers (one of my friends had one) and even
phonographs (there's a word that has dropped out of the English vocabulary).
So what instrument is Nanci referring to in this song? 
And, I want to wish everyone on this list a Merry Christmas and/or Happy
Holidays.
Roman



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Subject: Re: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: Bell/Wrightson (onemansmusic@mindspring.com>

Silvertone electric guitar, made by Sears...so the Monkey Ward reference
is a bit of license.

Sarah



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Subject: Re: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: Bob Ivers (bivers@sprintmail.com>

The first time I heard the song, I remembered that "Silvertone" was a Sears
company brand and not Montgomery Ward's.  I figured that, similar to Paul
Simon's use of "Joe Dimaggio" rather than "Mickey Mantle" in "Mrs.
Robinson", it was just a question of syllables.  "She played a Silvertone
from Sears" wouldn't have fit.

Bob



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Subject: RE: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: "Avery, Debora" (AveryD@chi.osu.edu>

True, except that "Montgomery Wards" and "Sears Department Store" have the
same number of syllables.  Makes me question the use of poetic license -- 

Debbie "don't mind me, I'm in a funk" Avery



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Subject: RE: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: "Mark" (catfan@sr.radiks.net>

But "Sears Department Store doesn't roll off the toung like 
"Montgoery Wards" .  :-)

Mark



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Subject: RE: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: "Christina ONeill" (oneillchristina@hotmail.com>

>same number of syllables.

This is true but the  meter is different



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Subject: Re: NN: Silvertone Question
   From: MISTERCD@webtv.net (SID PORTER)

Poetic licence or just Nanci's memory playing tricks?

Sid "I know mine does" Porter

Jack Kerouac taught me that dreams are only real.  Nanci Griffith is
proof that Jack was right.

Eric Taylor, 1981



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Subject: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
   From: "Shawn Kimbro" (skimbro@bhset.org>

Hi folks,

Silvertone is the house-brand for acoustic and electric
guitars and other musical instruments that were retailed by
the Sears-Roebuck company between 1940 and 1970.  They were
reasonably priced and most were well built. (I have a nylon
string Silvertone that I still play.)  Sears didn't make the
guitars, they were manufactured by companies like Kay,
Harmony, and Teisco who then stamped the "Silvertone" script
on the neck.  Most of the electric guitars were made by
Danelectro.  The same companies that made guitars for Sears
& Roebuck also made them for Montgomery Ward.  Both
companies sold thousands of mail order instruments,
especially during the folk boom of the 1960s.  I've never
heard that Montgomery Ward ever sold Silvertone guitars.
But I can very easily imagine both catalogs lying side by
side opened to a picture of the exact same instrument so it
would be very easy to get confused.

Warm Regards,
-Shawn



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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
   From: Reid Mitchell (o416@erols.com>

The Montgomery Ward brand was, I think, Sherwood, and Kay made them. Kay 
also made the Old Kraftsman line, which was Spiegal's.  I might have 
gotten the two lines mixed up though.

Reid




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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
   From: "Mark" (catfan@sr.radiks.net>

Years ago, our grandpa gave my brother his Silvertone Hawaiian 
guitar.  He (my bro) never really learned how to play it because it 
wasn't what he wanted, but it had a nice sound (played through an 
antique radio converted into an amplifier).  Then a few years ago 
our folks moved and it went into the garage sale and I have no idea 
what happened to it after that.  

I also have no idea how old it was, probably fifties vintage though.

Mark



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Subject: NN: silvertone et al
   From: nannynan@earthling.net

Not only is the meter wrong for Sears Department Store, but the mail order
catalog would not be considered a department store, and when I was growing
up, and I'm not that much older than Nanci, it was either "Sears," or
"Sears Roebuck."  But then, the Kate Wolfe's orignial van wasn't a Ford
Econoline, either.

My two cents.

Nancy with a Y
"Boy, its great to have something completely trivial and non-flame inducing
to discuss on the NanciNet."



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Subject: NN: Re: Silvertone
   From: "Shawn Kimbro" (skimbro@bhset.org>

Nancy says:
>Not only is the meter wrong for Sears Department Store, but the mail order
>catalog would not be considered a department store, and when I was growing
>up, and I'm not that much older than Nanci, it was either "Sears," or
>"Sears Roebuck."

That's very true.  But Nanci doesn't say "department store."
I think she just got Sears and Montgomery Ward mixed up.  Or
perhaps she liked the sound of "Montgomery Ward" over
"Sears."  Whatever it is, I still like the idea that sister
got her guitar out of a mail order catalog. To me that just
fits with the trendy personality illustrated in lines like
"Biaz songs and Monroe hair" and it also goes well with the
"swimwear" line.  I just imagine her turning through the
Christmas edition of a thick mail-order catalog and putting
a big red check over a couple of bathing suits, a Silvertone
guitar, and perhaps a tie-dye Barbie. (Anyone else make a
"wish list" that way?) Of course Mother and Father bought
their "pretty child" all she asked for.

Warm Regards,
-Shawn



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Subject: Rosalie and Kate
   From: dan.gerson@McKesson.com

     As long as we're splitting hairs, the original "Ford Econoline" was
     about Rosalie Sorrels, not Kate Wolf. Nanci added her to the concept
     later. I have a tape of a local radio interview with Nanci where she
     tells about her first meeting with Kate in the basement of the Great
     American Music Hall in San Francisco. Kate tells Nanci the song could
     be about her (Kate) and Nanci has to change it to a Dodge. Nanci
     replies, "Too late, it's already done."

     All the Kate addendums and Dodge rhyming with Rog stories came later.



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Subject: NN: Burning Question.
   From: "Jennifer Woollatt" (jmwoollatt@dmci.net>
>"Boy, its great to have something completely trivial and non-flame inducing
>to discuss on the NanciNet."

To add to this thread, I've been wondering... in the song "Love at the Five
and Dime" does Rita read or write dime-store novels?

Any help would be appreciated!

Jennifer Woollatt
jmwoollatt@dmci.net
web page: http://www2.dmci.net/users/jmwoollatt





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Subject: Re: NN: Burning Question.
   From: RonHennesy@aol.com

You've come up with another good non-flaming trivia topic.  (I sure got tired
of the "chicks" flaming thread, which shead much less light than a candle!)

I just listened to the 2 versions of "Love at the Five and Cime" sung by
Nanci, and the version sung by Kathy Mattea.  Here's how they sound to me:

--On "The Last of the True Believers" album: "Rita's got a house to keep, dime
store novels, and a love so sweet."

--On "One Fair Summer Evening" (far and away my favorite version, with the
captivating spoken intro):  "Rita's got a house to keep, she writes dime store
novels, and a love so sweet."  (Apparently not strictly grammatical, but this
WAS a "live" performance.)

--On Kathy Mattea's album "A Collection of Hits": "Rita's got a house to keep,
dime store novels, and a love so sweet."  (So it seems Kathy follows Nanci's
original studio performance from LOTB.)

That's how they sound to me.  I don't know what Nanci was thinking at Anderson
Fair on "One Fair Summer Evering."  Maybe she had in mind writing her own
novels.

Best wishes,

Ron Hennessy



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Subject: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
   From: "Vicki & Marc Martel" (martel@ican.net>

Further to this request, my hubby and I are still wondering what "Come on
Jack, the son-of-a-bitch is coming" means at the end of Desperados. Anyone?

Vicki



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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
       From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

I assumed that it alluded to death.

Ed




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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
   From: DebraMunn@aol.com

Well, since they're desperadoes waiting for a train (the title of the song), I
assume that that reference at the end is to the train arriving.  (I'm
surprised my brain could come up with this much on the Friday before
Christmas!)

Occasionally emerging from lurkdom,
Debra Munn




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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Silvertone Question
   From: "M G" (tank1000@hotmail.com>

Not sure if you are looking for a deeper meaning but I always assumed 
that since It is "Desperadoes waiting for a train" that at the end the 
train did arrive. I guess it could allude to a lot of things death being 
one of them. 
-Mark



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Subject: new
   From: RoanInish@aol.com

Hi all.  I am new to Nanci net, although I have been a part of a Nanci message
board on AOL for some time.  I'm not sure about all this, suddenly having my
mail box full of email all about Nanci is a bit overwhelming.  But I am here and
will give it a go!



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