// We've got a little bit of everything...
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: NG on DVD?
   Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:53:30 -0600
   From: David Grant (dgrant@eden.com>

Hi there.

I can answer this one...

>I noticed today that Reel.com is listing as available for preorder (with
>an 11/16 release date) a DVD called "Nanci Griffith: Last of the True
>Believers."  This is also shown as being an "audio-only" DVD - something
>I've never heard of and which doesn't seem to make any sense (isn't an
>"audio-only DVD" essentially just a CD?)

This has about a 99% chance of being one of the new-fangled DTS audio DVDs
-- the original album will have been remastered for 5.1 channel digital DVD
audio:  96 kHz sampling rate, 24-bit encoding, five separate, distinct
audio channels -- as opposed to two on a conventional stereo recording --
all on one DVD.

The bad news:  if you don't have a DTS-capable DVD player, you won't be
able to play this DVD at all.  Most DVD players on the market (including
almost all DVD-ROM drives) are not set up for DTS decoding; only the
special, high-end DVD players are DTS compatible.  There are only a handful
of movie and audio titles currently available in the DTS format.

The good news:  if you have a DTS DVD player (which I don't), you'll get to
hear the album in a totally new way -- higher fidelity, more channel
separation, remastered, etc.

And Bill Page wrote:
// Remember that Olivia Newton-John and John Denver were both CMA performers
// of the year in the early 70s!! [BP]

And to Mr. Page, I don't know if your little comment about Olivia
Newton-John and John Denver was disparaging or not, but I would advise you
not to go there, because I beat up people who say bad things about either
of them...  I'm not kidding... (-:

David Grant
dgrant@eden.com
Grant-Guerrero Photography
http://www.grantguerrero.com/

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Subject: Re: NN: NG on DVD?
   Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:15:34 -0500
   From: "Dave Bronsveld" (dbrons@ptd.net>

> >I've never heard of and which doesn't seem to make any sense (isn't an
> >"audio-only DVD" essentially just a CD?)
>
> This has about a 99% chance of being one of the new-fangled DTS audio DVDs
> -- the original album will have been remastered for 5.1 channel digital
> DVD audio:  96 kHz sampling rate, 24-bit encoding, five separate, distinct
> audio channels -- as opposed to two on a conventional stereo recording --
> all on one DVD.
>
Hi,
I posted the announcement of this disc on laserviews a while back.  In the
interest of accuracy, this appears to be a Digital Audio Disc.  If it is
like the other discs this company (Classic Records) has released, it will be
a two track stereo.  I t will be done in the high-end 24/96kHz process, and
should play fine in any DVD player.
It *is* confusing because there is no standard yet for audio DVDs.  I don't
own any yet, but these discs are essentially audiophile recordings.  Rebecca
Pidgeon, and Livingston Taylor have audio DVDs out on Chesky records.
I do have some great music DVDs that have 5.1 channel sound. These are video
discs though.  I've got James Taylor, Fleetwood Mac, Best of Sessions at
W54th (no Nanci), Andrea Bocelli, Joni Mitchell, and others.  Most of these
have amazing picture, and sound quality, and are what I'm hoping Nanci comes
out with.
Confusing things even further are the DTS discs David mentioned.  These are
video discs also, movies, and some concert videos.  They will also play in
any DVD player, but usually in 2 channel on players that are not equiped
with DTS.
Dave

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Subject: Re: NN: NG on DVD?
   Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:39:25 -0500
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

David Grant wrote...
>This has about a 99% chance of being one of the new-fangled DTS audio DVDs

This may not be the case!  Ken Cranes a large seller of laserdisc, dvd, and
dts product has Nanci's disc listed under their DVD product and not under
DTS.  I've preordered a copy and will let the list know what the story is
after its released later this month.

Mike

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Subject: NN: Whither country music?
   Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:02:06 -0600
   From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>

David Grant wrote:
> And Bill Page wrote:
> // Remember that Olivia Newton-John and John Denver were both CMA performers
> // of the year in the early 70s!! [BP]
> 
> And to Mr. Page, I don't know if your little comment about Olivia
> Newton-John and John Denver was disparaging or not, but I would advise you
> not to go there, because I beat up people who say bad things about either
> of them...  I'm not kidding... (-:

Far be it from me to disparage either one of them!
The context was "country music." And neither of them were/are traditional
"country."

But really, look at all the folks who today are classifed as "country" because
they don't fit what used to be "pop."

Bill

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Subject: Re: NN: Whither country music?
   Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:40:53 -0800 (PST)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@mbay.net>

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Bill Page wrote:

> David Grant wrote:
> > And Bill Page wrote:
> > // Remember that Olivia Newton-John and John Denver were both CMA performers
> > // of the year in the early 70s!! [BP]
> > 
> > And to Mr. Page, I don't know if your little comment about Olivia
> > Newton-John and John Denver was disparaging or not, but I would advise you
> > not to go there, because I beat up people who say bad things about either
> > of them...  I'm not kidding... (-:
> 
> Far be it from me to disparage either one of them!
> The context was "country music." And neither of them were/are traditional
> "country."
> 
> But really, look at all the folks who today are classifed as "country" because
> they don't fit what used to be "pop."
> 
> Bill
> 
That's been going on forever. I remember going to an amusement park in 1967
in Oklahoma. There was a country music performance and the star was Conway
Twitty... who had been a monster pop star 8-9 years before (Mona Lisa).
And where do you suppose Jerry Lee Lewis earned his daily bread? Johnny
Cash had big pop hits and then a long life in country (and gospel and
other styles).

john alvord

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Subject: NN: country music books
   Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:42:35 -0000
   From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>

Steve Robertson wrote:
>I just happened to run across a book at the local library yesterday that
attempts to answer that question. It's called "In the Country of
Country" by Nicholas Dawidoff.>

I second the recommendation of this book, it's very interesting, and
(especially)
because it looks at the popular stuff.  These records are clearly liked by
a lot of people and deserve some attention.  For those of you living in the
UK you might see this book in one of the many 'remainder' books stores
that have sprung up over the last few years, I got mine in one called 'The
Works' and it was only a fiver.

Made me wonder, I've got a few books on country, mostly from a folkie
angle, but apart from the above mentioned and the Penguin Book of Country
Music nothing really chunky to get my teeth into, unless you count the
wonderfully titled "Stand by Your Pan, A Country Music Cookbook" by
Diane Pfeifer (actually I don't own this book but I have seen a copy!),
any suggestions?

Robert (Pugsley)

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Subject: Re: NN: country music books
   Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:00:47 -0800 (PST)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

A couple of books by Bill Malone, COUNTRY MUSIC USA,
and SOUTHERN MUSIC, AMERICAN MUSIC.  While both are
academic, the first is a good historical survey of
country music up till its date of publication, and the
other is a brief history of music of the American
South, arguing that in most ways American music IS the
music of the American South.

Porterfield's bio. of Jimmie ROdgers is very fine.

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Subject: Re: NN: country music books
   Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:05:23 -0500
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

"Pugsley, R.M." wrote:

> Made me wonder, I've got a few books on country, mostly from a folkie
> angle, but apart from the above mentioned and the Penguin Book of Country
> Music nothing really chunky to get my teeth into, unless you count the
> wonderfully titled "Stand by Your Pan, A Country Music Cookbook" by
> Diane Pfeifer (actually I don't own this book but I have seen a copy!),
> any suggestions?

I just finished the book discussed earlier, and I discovered some
interesting references in the "Notes" section in the back. The author
lists a lot of books used in his research. The one that most interests
me is called "Bossmen: Bill Monroe and Muddy Waters"- written by our old
friend, Jim Rooney.

Hidin' Out in the Georgia Pines-
Wishin' It Would Rain,
Steve Robertson

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Subject: NN: Wolverhampton 1995 n pop/folk reviews
   Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 02:44:00 PST
   From: "Kate Osborne" (kposborne@hotmail.com>

Good morning y'all

John G wrote: "Well this had me scrambling back through all the
radio broadcasts that had been transmitted, here in England, over the
past twelve years, that I had recorded ... and I listened to her concert 
from Wolverhampton in 1995"

The noise at the end of this version of From A Distance had me puzzled for 
some time until I realized that it was the audience furiously stamping their 
feet - I cannot listen to it now without a shiver of delight.

I am off to see Mary Chapin Carpenter this w/end (thanks to the 
aforementioned John G) and happened to pick up a newspaper on the tube with 
two concert reviews: MCC listed under pop ("A distinguished American in 
Hammersmith") and Kate Rusby listed under folk("An English folk heroine on 
the South Bank"). I do not know the latter lady at all but would be curious 
to hear from folk if they agreed with the "pop" pigeon hole for MCC - 
whether they would choose another pigeon hole or think that that is 
precisely her gift - that she is not "pigeon-holeable" at all.

Have a great weekend

Kate Osborne

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Subject: NN: Re: Wolverhampton 1995 n pop/folk reviews
   Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:13:08 -0000
   From: "Jenny" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>
Yo,

>MCC listed under pop ("A distinguished American in
>Hammersmith") and Kate Rusby listed under folk("An English folk heroine on
>the South Bank"). I do not know the latter lady at all but would be curious
>to hear from folk if they agreed with the "pop" pigeon hole for MCC -

listings are getting confused nowadays...Eric Taylor was lsited under 'rock
and pop' in glasgow's, 'the list' magazine. Oh, and speaking of kate rusby,
she will be playing in the celtic connections festival here in glasgow in
january. As will iris dement and arlo guthrie.
jenny*

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Subject: NN: FW: lists, intros, nanci and Charlie Brown
   Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:07:29 -0000
   From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>

Don't know if I sent this last week...don't remember seeing it
on the digest, if I did, my apologies for sending it again but...

I just want to say that I enjoyed the lists greatly.  Every twenty
songs or so I come across one whose intro just pops into my head
and I have to dash of and get the CD. 'Reelin' In The Years', (What's
So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding, And It Stoned Me,
 and the amazing 'Sexual Healing' - who would have thought we would 
have seen that on this list -  it sure does have the silkiest (is that how 
you spell it?) of intro's, made me think of another great Marvin Gaye 
intro (and song) 'What's Going On' - which is now playing as I type.
If any record should be there this one should be (the whole album
should be actually). By contrast lots of Nanci's best songs (IMHO)
start of almost hesitantly, LATFAD, WATW, of course, and, especially
in WATW, this means you're almost on tenterhooks waiting for her to sing,
which is equally fabulous.

There's at least two albums of Charlie Brown music by Vince Guaraldi Trio
which are still available, both contain 'Linus and Lucy' and both have got
great covers. They're on Fantasy Records if anyone's interested.

Lastly, pity the guy who was doing the poll didn't stick around, although
having done the Top Ten the last couple of years I'm sympathetic ;-) I wonder 
if he discovered some terrible secret at the heart of the NN and couldn't 
bring himself to reveal it - like we all secretly think politics has no place 
in music...

Which brings me nicely to... 
A protest song you can dance to! 'Guns of Brixton' by The Clash and especially
the remix 'Return to Brixton' which I think is great but which upset Clash
fans almost as much as St Teresa (Cyphonix Mix) upset some people here.

Oh-oh I've been ramblin'...time for a nice cup of Peppermint (Patty) Tea...

Robert "And where is the harmony?/Sweet harmony?" Pugsley

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Subject: Re: NN: ACL w/ Crickets
   Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:21:34 -0800 (PST)
   From: Tom Overton (thomasmoverton@yahoo.com>

--- Hank Van Slyke (chevelle@pnx.com> wrote:

> Most of you have already seen Nanci and the Crickets
> on Austin City Limits, but I saw a tape of it for the first time

Howdy Hank,
That ACL was taped the next day or so after the
October 1997 concert at the Austin Music Hall.  I had
the great good fortune to go to the Austin Music Hall
concert and then to the ACL taping.  Did you see me
wave at the camera?

I tell you, I was wowed at that ACL taping.  I loved
seeing her play with the Crickets.  I love the way she
pays respect to those who came before.
    Tom O
    Austin, Texas

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Subject: NN: More on Country, loose ends
   Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:25:18 GMT
   From: raj@inspace.net (Bob Juliano)

Mr. ListMaster, I know I'm supposed to keep it short and to ONE
point, but I rarely post and it took me months to save up enough
bravado to write this, so please bear with me.   -bob j

QUELIN@aol.com wrote: (EDITED>

>...Country seems to go through these cycles...Remember the 
>early 70's when Olivia Newton-John was considered country?..

   SELECTIVE MEMORY:
   That's not the way I remember the 70's.  That was the decade
that I first became a country music fan.  I remember Willie
Nelson's "Red Headed Stranger" coming out around '75 and loving,
playing it to death.  All those outlaws were in full swing then,
and life was good!  The Eagles were putting out a some of the
best country ballads going in those days and Haggard was still
hangin' around keeping things interesting.  Sure, there was a
bunch of garbage but I only recall the good stuff.  Didn't we
still have Elvis for the first half of the 70's?

  A QUICK NOTE:
  Looks like Cary Fridley, effervescent gal singer/guitarist for
The Freight Hopppers, has left the band. At least that's the
truth according to a posting on alt.music.bluegrass supposedly
authored by Cary herself.   I know that there are Freight Hopper
fans here (like me!) and that they would be interested in this
bit of news.  No word on future plans.  Apologies if I'm
spreading a lie. And apologies if Shawn K. has already posted
this, I only get the digest.

  NANCI CONTENT:
  Can anyone explain to me WHY Nanci never plays Florida?  I'm
sure she has in the distant past, but I cannot remember an
appearance here since I've been on this list, and it's been
YEARS.  I have a bunch of good reasons for Nanci to come here,
I'll list them another time.

Bob Juliano raj@inspace.net     

// Last time that I remember Nanci in Florida was in 95, Flyer tour.
// And I missed it. [BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: More on Country, loose ends
   Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:12:32 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Bob writes:

>   A QUICK NOTE:
>   Looks like Cary Fridley, effervescent gal singer/guitarist for
> The Freight Hopppers, has left the band. At least that's the
> truth according to a posting on alt.music.bluegrass supposedly
> authored by Cary herself.   I know that there are Freight Hopper
> fans here (like me!) and that they would be interested in this
> bit of news.  No word on future plans.  Apologies if I'm
> spreading a lie. And apologies if Shawn K. has already posted
> this, I only get the digest.

No, I got the BluegrassL post too. I can't imagine the Freight Hoppers
without Cary, or Cary without the Freight Hoppers.  They've been such an
influential group to accoustic music.

-Shawn

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Subject: NN: Re: Mary Chapin Carpenter tickets (No N, No K)
   Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 08:35:13 PST
   From: "Steve Gilmore" (svgil@hotmail.com>

John Ed wrote:
>I have ... ticket for Mary Chapin 
>Carpenter on Saturday 6th November. Catie Curtis is the support, 

John:

What a dream concert!  My wife and I saw MC-squared perform outdoors at 
Appalachian State University in Boone, North Carolina this summer. She 
performed for approximately one and a half hours.  While enjoyable, the 
works featured were mostly the hits that those who listen to "modern" 
country radio are familiar with such as Passionate Kisses, Shut Up and Kiss 
Me, Quittin' Time, etc.  I wish she had performed some of her works that one 
would not consider to be "country" such as What if We Went to Italy?, Ideas 
Are Like Stars, John Doe #24, Jubilee, etc. that reveal her ability to 
create such original and emotional lyrics. But I was glad to get to see her 
perform.  She could have performed all night as far as I'm concerned!

She had a good opening act named Garrison Starr, an acoustic type in the 
Stacey Earle mode.  I hadn't heard of her before, but she'll be one to 
watch.

Finally, the whole experience was hassle-free as far as live performances 
go.  We were able to charge tickets over the phone through a toll-free 
number and for only a total service charge of $2.00.  This was a pleasant 
relief from those who man the computer terminals and phone banks at 
Ticketmaster who don't know anything about the concerts, who try to sell you 
loads of things you don't need, and who saddle you with approximately $15.00 
of (in)convenience charges, plus don't have toll free numbers, either (nor 
allow you to use local numbers to buy tickets for shows in other parts of 
the country, either).

It's 11:30 here in the Eastern Time Zone, so you're probably getting ready 
to attend the show.  You'll definitely enjoy it, and have a good time!

Steve Gilmore
Charlotte, NC USA

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Subject: NN: Re: Mary Chapin Carpenter tickets (No N, No K)
   Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:25:20 -0600
   From: "Virginia" (ginrose@midsouth.rr.com>

Steve wrote:
>She had a good opening act named Garrison Starr, an acoustic type in the
>Stacey Earle mode.  I hadn't heard of her before, but she'll be one to
>watch.

Garrison Starr is from Memphis, at least she has been since I moved here a
little more than 4 years ago. I haven't heard her perform, but I know she
has quite a following here. I did hear a real audio clip of her on some
site, and wasn't too impressed. Guess I'll have to rethink that.

Gin

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Subject: Re: NN: Re:We Shall Overcome and the Civil Rights Movement
   Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:51:07 PDT
   From: "M G" (tank1000@hotmail.com>

>I'm afraid that the GOOD Dan Fogelberg wrote will be lost within all of the
>other crap.

I wore out his first 4-5  albums. (but I can also see why a lot of people 
can't stand him, probably for the same reason some...shhhh...don't like 
nanci)
I have heard them both described as"a little too sweet" by different 
friends. But I could never figure out what happened with him. I still love 
those first albums but after that it seemed like a major downhill or at 
least a steep turn away from my tastes.

Have a good one,
Mark "I learned guitar chords from the Dan Fogelberg Anthology" Gale

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Subject: NN: Concert series over
   Date: Sun, 7 Nov 99 08:32:35 +0000
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Well my mini concert series drew to a close last night with a fabulous 
performance from Mary Chapin Carpenter. What started with the 
disappointment of Lyle Lovett's cancellation in early October and ran 
through the sensational Stacey Earle, the equally good Kim Richey, the 
fine, but mellow, Raul Malo, culminated in last nights gig. This was Mary 
Chapin at her best, something she certainly was not when I saw her last 
July during my Chastain Park experience (y'all remember what I thought of 
that!!!) and her last UK tour in '96 when Lyle Lovett was too hot for her 
to follow. Granted most of last nights set was drawn from her "Party 
Doll" cd and better known songs, but the versions were somewhat different 
in their arrangemnets, the band exceedingly tight, Duke Levine was quite 
sensational on lead guitar, while Dave Mattacks' drumming was simply 
brilliant. Like Pat McInerney he's a Brit (interesting that Nanci and 
Mary seem to favour British drummers e.g. also Fran Breen). There were 
many highlights, the main one being meeting two fellow NanciNetters. Kate 
("Happy Birthday") Osborne snapped up the first of my two 'spare' tickets 
and Julian Coleman the other. Julian travelled all the way from my 
hometown of Newcastle, some 300 miles away to get his first glimpse of 
Mary, the ticket proving to be the cheapest part of his weekend!!! Both 
are lovely people who I really hope I get to meet again.

Catie Curtis provided the support and I love her music, especially her 
"Catie Curtis" cd of a couple of years ago. She was ably supported by 
Jimmy Ryan on mandolin and this tour will have brought her to the 
attention af a wider audience, and hopefully, greater success. Kate was 
so thrilled she bought her most recent cd, "Crash Course In The Roses" 
which Catie signed, and as we left the beautiful, small theatre, she 
bumped into Jimmy Ryan, who duly obliged with his autograph.

A great nights music shared with wonderful new friends. Hell isn't that 
what these lists are about?

I hope Julian and Kate come forward and offer their views on the nights 
music, the more the merrier!!!

John "still peripatic" Graveling 

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