NanciNet Digest 11-14-99
// A concert...some more lists...
// Enjoy...[BP]
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Subject: NN: Dustbowl Symphony
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:44:03 EST
From: AlunSmith@aol.com
The review of DBS in Q magazine here in the UK concludes with the following
"that what Laura Ashley is to the flower-print dress, Griffith is to American
folk, and always will be".
I can't decide whether this is meant as a compliment or not.
Alun
PS who was Bob Claypool referred to in the DBS dedication, the other people I
knew but have never heard of him.
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Subject: Re: NN: Dustbowl Symphony
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:01:34 -0500
From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>
AlunSmith@aol.com wrote:
> PS who was Bob Claypool referred to in the DBS dedication,
> the other people I knew but have never heard of him.
Infamous critic for the Houston Chronicle (or Post...sigh, the mind goes
first) for years, and was "THE" reviewer at the time Nanci etc was
starting out; a great friend to the ones he liked.
Sarah
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Subject: Re: NN: Dustbowl Symphony
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:52:23 EST
From: Brimpls@aol.com
Dear Alun,
Laura Ashley IS the flower-print dress; so that means Nanci IS American folk
music! I think that's a big compliment, albeit a strange one. Maybe Nanci
even has a Laura Ashley dress or one of her tiny floral-print jumpers that
were so popular in the '80s. What a funny way to compliment her, though!
Sabrina in Mpls.
(the fashion expert for the day!)
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Subject: Re: NN: Dustbowl Symphony
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:08:33 EST
From: Catelaw@aol.com
AlunSmith@aol.com writes:
> who was Bob Claypool
I think BC is the music critic for a REAL newspaper, the Houston Comical
(Chronicle).
As to whether the Laura Ashley comment was a compliment or not, my immediate
reaction was, "there they go slamming Nanci again for being precious." But
then I thought about it some more and decided that what Laura Ashley actually
is to flowered print dresses is ubiquitous, the essence thereof. When you
think of flowered print dresses (which I try not to, my mother traumatized me
for years with such, God bless her), you definitely think of Laura Ashley. So
in that sense, I guess the reviewer was saying that Nanci is the essence of
American folk music. OTOH, I can't stay in any big Laura Ashley display for
long because it's just so darned, yes, precious that you overdose pretty
quick.
It's a short sentence, but fraught with meaning.
Sincerest apologies to anyone who is a big Laura Ashley fan. There are some
people who can pull that look off and be just stunning -- I am not one of
them.
Cate, in Atlanta
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Subject: NN: Top Ten List
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:05:23 -0500
From: Doug Kellam (doug.kellam@sympatico.ca>
If I could keep only ten CD's of the 90's they would be, in reverse rank
order;
10. Celine Dion The Colour of My Love
9. Eric Clapton Unplugged
8. Stompin Tom Connors Believe in Your Country
7. Lyle Lovett Step Inside This House
6. Tom Waits Bone Machine
5. Holy Cole Trio Don't Smoke in Bed
4. Lucinda Williams Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
3. Nanci Griffith Other Voices, Other Rooms
2. Amanda Marshall Amanda Marshall
1. Louden Wainwright Career Moves
Local content rules require that 40% of the list be Canadian.
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Subject: NN: Resignation
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:04:44 -0500
From: kenn lippert (lippert@fyi.net>
>Well, try as I might, I can't find the web pages to the last two
>NanciNet Polls. I'll flush this star-gazer out yet, just wait and see!
Now we know why Shawn is so successful in his business ventures, he
just keeps nagging people until he gets what he wants ;-)
Ok, ok. http://www.fyi.net/~lippert/NanciNet
Remember these are SEVERAL years old and so may reflect out of date
social or cultural perspectives.
I will endevour to put together an online NanciNet survey like the
one I did for Kate Campbell
(http://www.fyi.net/~lippert/KateCampbell),
but don't hold your breath. I gots lots to do.
kenn "there are 3 kinds of people, those that can count and those
that can't" lippert
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Subject: Re: NN: Resignation
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:16:12 -0500
From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>
Hey again --
If you haven't had a chance yet to visit Kenn's survey pages,
http://www.fyi.net/~lippert/NanciNet/ I strongly encourage you to do so.
It had been a while since I'd been there and I was impressed with Kenn's
work all over again. I could have guessed a lot of the categories back
in '96, but I have a feeling the list has changed some since then. I
get a feeling we're a bit more politically conservative, oriented more
toward traditional folk instead of rock and bluegrass, and that there
aren't nearly so many students on the list. Anyone disagree? Kenn, I
sincerely appreciated the question about legalized prostitution in the
last survey, could you include one this time for those wanting Nanci to
sing more songs containing the transvestite element?
Warm Regards,
-Shawn
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Subject: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:30:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com>
Dear Netters:
I finally got Denice Franke's CD "You Don't Know Me."
What a voice! Excellent song writer, great job of
producing by Eric Taylor. Thanks to all who responded
to my email about this album.
Now some questions that I've always wanted to ask:
1. How long is a copywrite good for?
2. Can it be renewed?
3. When and how does a song become 'public domain?'
4. How do royalties work? For example: Nanci Griffith
records a Patrick Alger song--does he recieve a
royalty every time one of the CD is sold? Is there
a time limit on royalties? For example is Bob
Dylan still reciving royalties from every artist
that recorded "Blowin' in the Wind" in the 60's?
How about an artist who writes and records his/her
on song? Does he or she recieve a separate royalty
for being the composer, and one for being the
performer?
Just wondering.
Bob Riegner
rg48@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:35:05 -0500
From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>
Bob Riegner wrote:
Gee, questions I should be able to answer and can't in some cases. For
definitive ones check out the BMI or ASCAP sites, but for starters...
> Now some questions that I've always wanted to ask:
> 1. How long is a copywrite good for?
Didn't they just change this to Lifetime plus something like 75 years?
then it goes to public domain?
> 4. How do royalties work? For example: Nanci Griffith
> records a Patrick Alger song--does he recieve a
> royalty every time one of the CD is sold?
Yes
> Is there a time limit on royalties?
No
> For example is Bob
> Dylan still reciving royalties from every artist
> that recorded "Blowin' in the Wind" in the 60's?
Yup
> How about an artist who writes and records his/her
> on song? Does he or she recieve a separate royalty
> for being the composer, and one for being the
> performer?
Yes, these are two different kinds of royalties, one being the
songwriter/publishing and the other being what they call "Mechanicals"
which also include radio, tv, jukebox play, etc. However, without going
into a long song and dance and the politics of music, it is extremely
rare for lesser known performers to get mechanical royalities. Spice
Girls, yes; Nanci some and Vince Bell only radio/tv/jukebox but not club
performance. Short form is that it all goes into one pot and is
distributed by what you sell. So the ones who sell most records get the
biggest chunk of performing money...there just isn't anything much left
when you don't go gold etc. etc.
Sarah W.
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Subject: Re: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:59:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>
Sarah,
Do royalty policies vary country to country? I know
they do for books; for example, British authors
receive income for copies of their books borrowed from
libraries, although I've no clue how this fund is set
up.
Here in the USA, the tax forms on which bookroyalties
are reported is the same form that boat rental income
is reported on. I keep thinking I should buy a boat
and rent it just to have both caegories filled in.
It used to be infamous that to have certain performers
record your song, you had to assign co-authorship to
them. I like to think that this has stopped but I'm
probably being uncharacteristically naive. Surely one
of the greatest moments in royalty history is when the
owners of the rights to "Who'll Stop the Rain" sued
John Fogarty for plagirizing that song in "I Saw It On
TV."
Reid Mitchell
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Subject: Re: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:14:45 -0500
From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>
Reid Mitchell wrote:
>
> Do royalty policies vary country to country?
Yes. Contracts are negotiated differently. We get money every time a
song is played in Europe for instance, but not in the US. Generally it
is a complicated can of worms, designed to make sure that everyone makes
money but the artist who has to have accountants, publishers, etc. trace
all this all the time. Just how many CDs DID get sold in Zimbabwe?
> It used to be infamous that to have certain performers
> record your song, you had to assign co-authorship to
> them. I like to think that this has stopped but I'm
> probably being uncharacteristically naive. Surely one
> of the greatest moments in royalty history is when the
> owners of the rights to "Who'll Stop the Rain" sued
> John Fogarty for plagirizing that song in "I Saw It On
> TV."
Ah...you are a tad naive (g> Now, it used to be legal for the
songwriter to give 100% of the songwriting away (or sell it), which is
why you hear stories of So and So writing a huge hit for someone and
starving. It is now illegal to give/sell more than 50% (supposedly).
But you may be fairly sure that if Big Deal Performer wants to record
your song s/he is gonna ask a) for a portion to all 50% of that royalty,
or - and this is getting rather common b) permission to pay the
songwriter a reduced rate, usually 75% of the standard.
Everyone else asleep yet???
Sarah
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Subject: Re: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:35:43 -0500
From: Chris Stern (cwstern@mediaone.net>
I have heard it said that Nanci owns half the rights to royalties for
>From A Distance.
And by the way, songwriters do receive royalties for songs sung in clubs
by way of apportioned license fees.
Chris
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Subject: Re: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:46:37 -0600
From: Jim Woodward (jjandc@blkbox.COM>
Sarah Wrightson wrote:
(lots of record biz stuff snipped>
> Everyone else asleep yet???
No! Believe it or not, I find it very interesting. But then, I can
watch the Weather Channel for hours, too...
Jim "I think I'll be a songwriter's lawyer" Woodward
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Subject: Re: NN: re:Denice Franke, Questions
Date: 13 Nov 99 18:43:47 +0000
From: "Matthew Bloomfield" (mailm@tthewb.u-net.com>
I mailed Bob privately but as this has aroused some interest I'll give
the URLs here too.
Performing Rights Society.
http://www.prs.co.uk
UK Copyright Design And Patent Act, full text.
http://www.five-new-square.demon.co.uk/cdpatext.htm
You'll have to use the search function in your browser for the right
keywords and phrases but it is very useful in parts.
Matt
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Subject: NN: decade list
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:52:54 EST
From: Catelaw@aol.com
hey ya'll,
so much to do, so little time, might as well procrastinate. don't usually do
these lists, but here's my decade picks, in order:
1. Late Night Grande Hotel - Nanci Griffith
2. Step Inside This House - Lyle Lovett
3. I Know Who Holds Tomorrow - Alison Krauss & the Cox Family
4. Other Voices, Other Rooms - Nanci Griffith
5. Treasures Left Behind-Remembering Kate Wolf - Various
6. Car Wheels - Lucinda Williams
7. Stones in the Road - Mary Chapin Carpenter
8. Far Cry From Dead - Townes Van Zandt
9. My Life - Iris DeMent
10. Long Walk Back - Junior Brown
11. Flyer - Nanci Griffith
12. Dublin Blues - Guy Clark
13. Time Out of Mind - Bob Dylan
14. Cowgirl's Prayer - Emmylou Harris
15. Lonesome Standard Time - Kathy Mattea
16. The Missing Years - John Prine
17. Now That I've Found You - A Collection - Alison Krauss & Union Station
18. Other Voices, Too - Nanci Griffith
19. Sevens - Garth Brooks
20. October Project - October Project
cate, still waiting like a desperado for guy clark, in atlanta
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Subject: NN: The last note of the last song
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:41:45 -0600
From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>
Hi all,
On the album "Grievous Angel, A Tribute To Gram Parsons," the last song
"In My Hour Of Darkness" by The Rolling Creekdippers, the banjo player
hits a discordant note at the very end. That's not like banjo players.
Somebody tell me that it's Victoria Williams' little joke, okay? Help
me preserve my faith in banjo players.
Also, there was a discussion earlier about the song "1917" from the
album "The Western Wall." It involved whether the soldier was English
or American. He's obviously English. (Listen to the first four words
of the lyrics.)
Just kidding of course,
Eddie
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Subject: NN: Top 20 of the 90s
Date: 13 Nov 99 20:12:16 +0000
From: "Matthew Bloomfield" (mailm@tthewb.u-net.com>
Susan wrote:
> Another list I'm on has folks compiling their Top 20 of the decade
Here goes, bit easier than the top 100 (it's coming Kristina honest).
No particular order by the Way.
Iris Dement - Infamous Angel (and I've only had it 2 days!) 1992
*Guns n Roses - Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 1991*
Lucy Kaplansky - Ten Year Night - 1999
*Manic Street Preachers - Generation Terrorists - 1992*
Beth Nielsen Chapman - Sand and Water 1997
*Nanci Griffith - Flyer 1997*
Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On A Gravel Road 1998
*Dixie Chicks - Wide Open Spaces 1998*
Radiohead - Pablo Honey 1993
*Alanis Morisette - Jagged Little Pill 1995*
Nanci Griffith - OVToo 1998
*Jewel - Pieces Of You 1994*
Little Angels - Little Of The Past 1994
*Cry Cry Cry -1998*
REM - Automatic For The People 1992
*Sheryl Crow - 1996*
Mary Chapin Carpenter - Stones In The Road 1994
*Shawn Mullins - Soul's Core 1998*
Extreme II - Pornograffitti
*The Cranberries - Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? 1992*
Matt
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Subject: NN: 2 Concerts -Kate Campbell, Lucy Kaplansky
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:44:09 EST
From: Tricia9999@aol.com
Well, I've had 2 nights of live music. Both in Berkeley. Kate Campbell opened
for Lorin Rowan and played for just a short set. I was left wanting more. She
was in great voice, I thought, and played a song from the forthcoming gospel
cd. A lovely Rosa's Coronas, too. Also got to briefly meet Bruce Miller and
the Thornhills from the moonpie list. They were headed to Monterey where they
would get to see more of Kate.
Last night was Lucy K with Nina Gerber. What a treat. I had the fortune of
sitting next to Lucy's parents and bonding due to Chicago and Berkeley
academic worlds in common. Anyway, Lucy was great and genuinely pleased to
sell out the Freight and Salvage. Her father, a mathematician, played a song
on piano with her - his compostition about pi. You may have heard them this
morning on West Coast Live on NPR. Nina was great and Lucy smiled widely when
Nina played beautiful riffs to accompany her songs.
All in all, it's great to have the Freight just down the hill.
Tricia
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Subject: NN: Re: From A Distance
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:55:44 -0800
From: "Julie" (julie-anne@home.com>
>I have heard it said that Nanci owns half the rights to royalties for
>From A Distance.
Jewel's just released holiday album has portions of From A Distance in a
medley with Go Tell It On The Mountain and Life Uncommon. The liner notes
list Cherry River Music Co. and Wing and Wheel Music Publishing, Inc. as the
publishers of FAD. This seems to bear out what Chris said, and may mean
Nanci's stocking will be busting with royalty coins this year.
Now that the holiday albums are showing up, I took it as a sign to start my
what-I-want-for-Christmas list. I worked on it all night, then crossed
everything out and just wrote Love . . .
Julie.
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Subject: NN: top CD lists
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:48:43 EST
From: "Tracy Applebaum" (poohbear512@hotmail.com>
Here are my top 15 of the decade (I couddn't rememebr if it was 10 or 20, so
I compromised.) They're in vague order but a lot of them are equally good,
so it's not total rank order.
1. Nanci Other Voices Other Rooms
2. Nanci Flyer
3. Lucinda Williams Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
4. Terri hendrix Wilory Farm
5. Iris Dement Infamous Angel
6. Nanci Late Night Grande Hotel
7. Nanci OV2
8. Nanci Blue Roses
9. John Hiatt Walk On
10. Hal Ketchum Every Little Word
11. Emmylou Harris Spyboy
12. Mary Chapin carpenter Stones in the Road
13. Hal ketchum Awaiting Redemption
14. Iris Dement My Life
15. Dixie Chicks Wide Open Spaces
Oh, wait, DBS!Insert it somewhere around Spyboy and Stones in the Road and
all that. About 11 1/2th.
Tracy "Too much Nanci on this list? Never!" Applebaum
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Subject: NN: Listomania!
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:54:09 -0500
From: "Kristina Plath" (flyer23@angelfire.com>
Hi All
Got a lot to respond to from the last digest! Yee-haw! Here I go!
>Dec 15th, Carnegie Music Hall Pittsburgh. Nanci and Dar.
>Tickets go on sale November 12th.
Sniff, sniff. Waaaaaaahahahaaaaaaaaa.... Vicki, Amy, Ken, have a blast. As
for me, little 16 year old me, stuck in central New York stuck behind the
fact that I have no car, no credit card, and school the next day....
THOUGH I'm only about 5 hours away....
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
>Amy McKibbin
>(Inga, Queen of the Reindeer)
Good to hear from ya again, Reindeer Queen!
And now from my 10 CDs of the decade... hm.
Nanci Griffith- Flyer
Nanci Griffith- Other Voices, Other Rooms
Iris DeMent- Infamous Angel
Bob Dylan- Time Out of Mind
Counting Crows- August & Everything After
Emmylou Harris- Wrecking Ball
Lucinda Williams- Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
Mary-Chapin Carpenter- Come On, Come On
Dixie Chicks- Wide Open Spaces
Lucy Kaplansky- Ten Year Night
If there's any more 100 song lists out there...
Wings & wheels...
Kristina
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
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Subject: NN: Re: Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:46:24 -0500
From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>
Bob Riegner wrote:
> Now some questions that I've always wanted to ask:
I guess this is a bit off topic, but I think there are enough musicians
and performers here to make it interesting. (Not that I've ever been on
topic anyway.) How long a song remains copyrighted can get complicated
depending on when the song was written. For songs published after 1978,
the term is the life of the artist + 70 years. After that, they pass
into public domain but can be extended by 50 years by the copyright
owner. (Sonny Bono was instrumental in passing some legislation before
his death which modified this some, but I'm not sure how much.)
Anything published before 1923 is now public domain. It's important to
note that copyrights can be shared, sold, assigned, and split up any
number of ways. Let the songwriter beware when negotiating any
contract. If you're serious about your music, it's best to have a
lawyer involved.
Royalties in the U.S. are collected by the performance rights
organizations BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC. If you write and publish songs
that are getting airplay, it's best to join one. These companies sample
the airwaves and collect data on songs played in clubs or restaurants.
They collect money through licensing. The money is distributed to the
publishers they represent based on the estimated number of public
performances. These payments are called performance royalties.
If someone records a song you've written and published, you're also
entitled to mechanical royalties. Currently, you get 7.1 cents per copy
sold or 1.35 cents per minute of playing time, whichever is greater.
Yes, Bob Dylan is still collecting royalties on any song for which he
owns the copyright. As an example, if you write a song, and it gets on
a album which sells a million copies, you would be entitled to 71,000
dollars. This is called standard mechanical royalties. It's possible
to negotiate a different arrangement in which the copyright owner could
receive more or less. For example, you could contact Nanci Griffith's
managment and negotiate a deal by which you would pay her 50,000 dollars
to record "Gulf Coast Highway." Then, if your record sells a million
copies, you're ahead 21,000 dollars. If it sells one copy, you lose
$49,999.93. Record companies do this sort of thing all the time and the
negotiated prices can vary wildly. The best internet site I know of on
this subject is http://www.lyricist.com/
Hope that helps,
-Shawn
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Subject: NN: Top 20 of the Decade
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:49:45 -0500
From: "Aquarian Resourses" (Aquarian@1acc.com>
In no particular order
Ragged Glory-Neil Young and Crazy Horse 1990
Time out of Mind-Bob Dylan 1997
Other Voices Other Rooms-Nanci Griffith 1993
Trampoline-The Mavericks1998
Wrecking Ball-Emmy Lou Harris1996
Hymms to the Silence-Van Morrison 1991
Spinning around the Sun-Jimmie Dale Gilmore1994
HarvestMoon-Neil Young1992
Flyer Nanci Griffith1994
The Bootleg SeriesVol1-3(rare and unreleased)Bob Dylan1991
Storyville-Robbie Robertson1991
Portraits-Emmy Lou Harris 1997
Waymore's Blues(PartII) Waylon Jennings 1995
The Strange Remain- The Other Ones 1999
Car Wheels on a Gravel Road-Lucinda Williams 1998
Looking Forward-Crosby,Stills,Nash and Young 1999
4 more spots to the four gems that I know should be on this list
but don't shout out at me this minute.
But will at some point.
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Subject: Re: NN: Music That Moves You/Nanci box?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:53:49 EST
From: Halesbop@aol.com
Like John, I bought 'So Many Roads' this week. As a long time Dead fan who
was fortunate enough to see over 60 shows from 11/1/77 to 8/1/94, I didn't
have enough willpower to wait and put this essential set on my Christmas
list.
I'd really like to see Nanci put out a boxed set on such an ambitious scale
someday. There are plenty of songs she did in the early days that were never
issued, plus many of her songs only got performed in concert on the tours
that followed immediately on the heels of their records' releases. Many of us
will never hear what some of these songs sounded like live. It would be great
to have a live retrospective of her work with all the brilliant sidemen (and
women) she's played and sang with over the years, and studio rarities as
well. Sure, bootleg tapes exist, but I'd dig deep into my pocketbook for an
officially released collection of this nature.
I sure can dream,
Steve
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Denice Franke, Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:30:27 -0800
From: Bill Peete (billpeet@cruzio.com>
Name the singer/songwriter that released the album (CD) titled "You Don't
Know Me".
First person with the correct answer will receive a free sealed original
copy. Shipping and handling included.
Cheers,
-bill
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