// Being the second part of tonight's digest...
// Somehow, this became the "Grateful Dead" list for a day or two...
// And even more lists!
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Re: Music That Moves You
   Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:45:13 EST
   From: Tricia9999@aol.com

I really liked John's Grateful Dead post. My day has been an extension of the 
live concerts I saw Thursday and Friday. Started out with the first song played
on Accoustic Sunrise (a Sunday morn show on a local commercial station) -
Astral Weeks. Then went for a run in the deep fog on the trails of the local
regional park with 2 of my dogs and not another person the whole way.  The fog
turned into a rainfall later and I spent the day listening to early Nanci and
Kate, Parsons tribute, Emmy Lou, and am now watching the OV/OR video (thanks to
Bill at Village Records).  

Talk about a day full of music that moves us.  Think I'll turn off the 
computer and have a glass of wine and smile.  Thanks for listening to a 
generally reticent sort. Keep up those posts John.

Tricia

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Subject: NN: Re: [moonpie] Music That Moves You
   Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:53:30 CST
   From: "charrolee thompson" (thetady@hotmail.com>

John Edward Graveling wrote:
>I assume we all listen to music because it moves us, it touches those raw
>nerves of emotion. It can simultaneously make us laugh and make us cry.
>It can translate our sorrows, yet take us higher. Yesterday I indulged
>myself in purchasing "So Many Roads" the 5 cd box-set of the Grateful
>Dead. I can now hear all the disenting voices out there saying, "what the
>hell has this got to do with?". 

there are some of us out there that are under 45 and appreciate good music 
:)  acutally, oddly enough my husband and i were just discussing the fact 
that most anyone you would say that grateful dead was a great band, but ask 
them to name a song of theirs, and they can't do it. why is that?

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Subject: NN: Re: Music That Moves You
   Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:58:48 -0600
   From: Justin Marquez (jmarquez@flash.net>

"charrolee thompson" wrote:

>there are some of us out there that are under 45 and appreciate good music 
>:)  acutally, oddly enough my husband and i were just discussing the fact 
>that most anyone you would say that grateful dead was a great band, but ask 
>them to name a song of theirs, and they can't do it. why is that?

There are some of us out there who are over 45 and appreciate good music

:-)

Your observation only holds for non-DeadHeads.  DeadHeads can spend HOURS
naming all the songs and telling how great they are.  (Just like us Moonpie
folks if given half a chance!)

Cheers,

Justin
Justin Marquez
Houston, TX

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Subject: NN: RE: Music That Moves You
   Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:51:28 -0600
   From: "Barnett, Kimberly" (KBARNET@dhs.state.ia.us>

I go with Justin... being a
Dead Head I definately know my favorite songs by the dead, can name who
wrote them, both by the band and covers, Know which songs were played at the
shows I went to and can most definately sing most of them.  WHEW!!! Aint
nothing like a dead show ( sorry nanci your great for other reasons)  and In
liking nanci, I know the songs I love, can sing them, am learing them on
guitar, :)  It is all in who you love. 

Kimberly Barnett, LBSW
Polk Co.  DHS

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Subject: Re: NN: Albums of the decade
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:27:31 EST
   From: PRobin5478@aol.com

Dear List --

Here's my shot at Albums of the Decade:

Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
Lucinda Williams - Sweet Old World
Mavericks - What a Crying Shame
Ry Cooder et al - Buena Vista Social Club
Nanci Griffith - Flyer
Kim Richey - Kim Richey
Iris DeMent - Infamous Angel
U2 - Achtung Baby
The Beau Hunks - Play the Little Rascals Music
Dwight Yoakam - This Time

and, for good measure, Idomeneo (Mozart) - conducted by John Eliot Gardener

This doesn't include a great many bootlegs of Van Morrison concerts that gave 
me as much listening pleasure as anything else in this decade of the Decline 
of Rock.

Yours, in diversity,
Peter in SoCal

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Subject: NN: Top 20 for 1990-1999
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:29:07 -0600
   From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

Step Inside This House- Lyle Lovett
Western Wall, The Tuson Sessions- ELH & LR
Wrecking Ball- ELH
Other Voices Other Rooms- NG
Cry Cry Cry- Cry E+3
Flyer- NG
Return Of The Grevous Angel, The Gram Parsons Tribute
Mrs. Pinocci's Guitar- Cheryl Wheeler
A Far Cry From Dead- Townes VanZant
The Pilgrem- Marty Stewart
Blackjack Dave- David Alvin
Visions Of Plenty- Kate Campbell
Rosaryville- Kate Campbell
The Bedroom Tapes- Cory Sipper
Cover Girl- Shawn Colvin
Mortal City- Dar Williams
Time Out Of Mind- Bob Dylan
Late Night Grand Hotel- NG
Sand And Water- Beth Neilson Chapman
Sylvia Hotel- Cheryl Wheeler

Ed Maier
(P.S. Wanna see my son's wedding pictures?  http://www.flash.net/~eddie/  )

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Subject: NN: Top 20 of the Decade
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:24:02 EST
   From: AlunSmith@aol.com

In alphabetical order and limiting myself to one cd per artist (except for 
Nanci), here goes

Peace At Last - Blue Nile
Buena Vista Social Club - BVSC
Stones In The Road - Mary Chapin Carpenter
Lay It Down - Cowboy Junkies
Together Alone - Crowded House
Cry Cry Cry - CCC
Infamous Angel - Iris Dement
Other Voices, Other Rooms - Nanci Griffith
Flyer - Nanci Griffith
Cowgirl's Prayer - Emmylou Harris
Frontejas - Tish Hinojosa
Ingenue - kd lang
I Love Everybody - Lyle Lovett
The Impossible Bird - Nick Lowe
The Missing Years - John Prine
Automatic For The People - REM
Mule Variations - Tom Waits
Hell Among The Yearlings - Gillian Welch
Car Wheels On A Gravel Road - Lucinda Williams
Harvest Moon - Neil Young

Alun

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Subject: NN: Albums of the decade
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:58:05 EST
   From: Petop@aol.com

Seven albums from the 90s stood way above anything else released during the 
decade. Those seven were (listed alphabetically by artist):
The Bootleg Series Vol. 4: Live 1966, The Royal Albert Hall Concert--Bob Dylan
Wrecking Ball--Emmylou Harris
Culture Swing--Tish Hinojosa
Dangerous Spirits--Ray Wylie Hubbard
Automatic for the People--REM
Bone Machine--Tom Waits
Ragged Glory--Neil Young

These albums came very close to matching the elite 7 (also listed 
alphabetically by artist):
Human Remains--Terry Alllen
Let Me Play With Your Poodle--Marcia Ball
American Recordings--Johnny Cash
Long Black Veil--The Chieftains
A Few Small Repairs--Shawn Colvin
Sheryl Crow
Infamous Angel--Iris Dement
The Bootleg Series, Vol. 1-3--Bob Dylan
I Feel Alright--Steve Earle
Train A-Comin'--Steve Earle
Love & Danger--Joe Ely
Letter to Laredo--Joe Ely
After Awhile--Jimmie Dale Gilmore
Other Voices, Other Rooms--Nanci Griffith
Eats Away the Night--Butch Hancock
Loco Gringo's Lament--Ray Wylie Hubbard
Traffic From Paradise--Rickie Lee Jones
Naked Songs--Rickie Lee Jones
The Road to Ensenada--Lyle Lovett
The McGarrigle Hour--Kate & Anna McGarrigle
Wildflowers--Tom Petty
The Missing Years--John Prine
Luck of the Draw--Bonnie Raitt
Longing in Their Hearts--Bonnie Raitt
Road Tested--Bonnie Raitt
Watching the Dark--Richard Thompson
Mock Tudor--Richard Thompson
Return of the Grievous Angel: A Tribute to Gram Parsons--Various Artists
Mule Variations--Tom Waits
Revival--Gillian Welch
Car Wheels on a Gravel Road--Lucinda Williams
Sweet Old World--Lucinda Williams
Swing the Statue--Victoria Williams
Loose--Victoria Williams
Unplugged--Neil Young
Sleeps With Angel--Neil Young

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you Rider
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:23:06 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Hey y'all --

Since it looks like "I Know You Rider" is shaping up to be the lists'
favorite Grateful Dead song, I can't resist posting a little history and
floating a few theories, especially since this one doesn't show up on
that great "Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics" site. The first evidence I
can find of the song's existance is in a 1934 songbook called _American
Ballads & Folksongs_.  My Lomax library is incomplete, but I feel like
he must have recorded it somewhere because it made several appearances
during the folk revolution, the most notable in 1964 in a marvelous
recording by Gail Garnett.  Her lyrics became the most widely used,
although the words often differ considerably depending on the
preferences of the artist.  The most common chorus is:

I know you rider.  Gonna miss me when I'm gone?
I know you rider.  Gonna miss me when I'm gone?
Gonna miss your baby from rolling in your arms?

Every line is a question.  At least, that's the way I've always taken
it.  The song seems very closely related to "Roll In My Sweet Baby's
Arms" which was a super hit for Flatt & Scruggs in 1959 but had probably
been around for a hundred years.  It might have been written as a female
response because the most common lyrics to "I Know You Rider" are from a
woman's perspective.  For example:

"I know you baby just as easy as rollin' off a log (repeat)
If I can't be your woman, I won't be your dog"

or 

"I know my baby is bound to love me some (repeat)
Cause he throws his arms around me like a circle around the sun"

It's a fun song to play and sing because of the unusual chord
progression.  My favorite style is D C G, D C G, F C F C D, but I've
also heard it done in G by just repeating G F D throughout.  I don't
think it's an accident when that chord progression shows up on so many
"Southern Rock" tunes like those of the Allman Brothers or The Marshall
Tucker Band.  

I think "I Know You Rider" is a great example of an American folk song
because it combines African blues influences with Scots-Irish drones
while encorporating lyrics of the 1800s industrial revolution.  Oh, did
I mention I like this song?  (grin>

Warm Regards, 
-Shawn

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Subject: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:04:27 +0000
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Having brought up the subject of music that moves you, I just had to 
agree (well almost) with Shawn about "I Know You Rider". It comes at the 
end of one of THE perfect sides of music (yes my copy is on vinyl). The 
second side of the triple album live set, "Europe '72". It starts with 
the wonderful "Jack Straw", followed by a walk through Hank Williams' 
"You Win Again" featuring some wonderous ivory tinkling from Keith 
Godcheaux. Then comes the piece-de- resistance, the medley "China Cat 
Sunflower"/"I Know You Rider". As "China Cat" spirals and falls around 
Jerry Garcias' unbelievably fluid lines and Phil Leshs' bass lines weave 
and cascade, the totally rhythmic guitars of Garcia and Bob Weir come 
together to meld into "I Know You Rider". It builds and falls until we 
are left with their unaccompanied voices bellow in harmony "I know you 
rider are gonna miss me when I'm gone". A breathtaking side of music 
draws to a close, 19 minutes of perfection, a band playing in total 
unison, like no other. Beware though, 'cos if you expect the perfect 
harmonies of a CSNY/Eagles/Poco then you are in for a shock, these are 
the rough hewn voices of road worn musicians. The feel they generated was 
unlike any other band, a unique vision. 

The greatest loss of the '90's, Jerry Garcia?

John "what a long strange trip it's been" Graveling

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:38:26 -0800 (PST)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@mbay.net>

I heard the Dead do "I know you rider" in Boston, at the Psychedilc
Supermarket, right in back of Fenway. I think it was in Feb 1967. They did
it half acepella and half striaght ahead bogey-rock, two drummers. The
audience rose to its feet and didn't sit for three hours.

john alvord

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you Rider
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:53:29 -0800 (PST)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

On the other hand, "I Know You Rider" as performed
by Gayle Garnett ("We'll Sing in the Sunshine" is a
little harpsicord heavy for my taste.

Reid

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you Rider
   Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:53:58 -0500
   From: "Havanamoon" (Missing_Lynx@email.msn.com>

I have a wonderfully eerie version by Judy Roderick on Vanguard that dates
from the late 60's, I believe.

Tim

The Havana Moon Web Page:     http://angelfire.com/ny3/havanamoon
Tim's Katie Miller Web Page:    http://angelfire.com/ny3/katiemiller

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Subject: NN: know you rider   
   Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:53:56 -0600
   From: "Barnett, Kimberly" (KBARNET@dhs.state.ia.us>

I am not sure if  know you rider is my favorite dead song... as we digress...It
ranks though a very good live boogie and a favorite of the shows.  You will
also find in on the 3rd disc of Dozin at The Nick.  Which is from 1990
excellent choice for live release.  Features Brent Midland shortly before his
death.  As for Jerry being the greatest loss of the 1990's I am not sure. I
think most heads knew it was coming. We just wish it had not been so soon.  He
ranks in Head ears and eyes as the leader and a tremendous musician... but I
was at Further in 1998 in Alpine Valley... I've got 4 words GOD BLESS BRUCE
HORNSBEY!!!  The band never skipped a note!!  To me the worst part of Jerry's
death would have been if the band would not have found a way to move on.  By
the way currently my most favorite is Franklins Tower on the 1st from the
vault.  And now back to Nanci....Does any one know is she ever going to be
coming back to the mid west??

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Subject: NN: [Fwd: Humor: folk music: long]
   Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:30:30 -0800
   From: Tom Gill (tgill@igc.org>

Hiram Jackson forwarded this to me:
> All folksongs begin with the phrase: ''I asked my love to take a walk'
> The walk should be:
>  Down by the riverside
>  Past the prison
>  Into the valley
>  Over the sea and far away.
> 
> It should NOT be:
>  To the store for a loaf of bread
>  To WalMart
>  Along the Champs-Elysee, Park Avenue, or Pennsylvania Avenue
>  On rollerblades.
> 
> The conversation along the way should be about:
>  Your racehorse
>  The perfidious British
>  The revelation that you are her/his longlost
>  brother/husband/blacksmith/Lord
>  The inevitable baby
>  Murder
> 
> Places to be mentioned include:
>  Botany Bay
>  The Mountains of ...
>  A Land called Honalee
>  Carrickfergus
>  The valley
>  The fair
>  All of the above in reverse order, Botany Bay always coming last.
> 
> All folk songs repeat the same words in each verse, but move them around
> until one person is killed or the ghost appears. If the ghost appears, it
> repeats the original verses and the process begins all over again. This is
> known as revenge.
> The chorus of all folk songs is half of the words of the verse moved around
> some more, and with the addition of some poignant nonsense syllables, all
> in a minor key. No new information is provided.
> 
> References to work in folk songs should include:
>  Hammers (visionary or steam)
>  Railroad trains, preferably on the same track hurtling towards each other
>  Lots of whales
>  Sowing, reaping, harvesting, babies dropped in furrows, etc.
>
>  Job categories allowed in folk songs include:
>  Circus work
>  Lighthouse keeping
>  Mourning
>  Gypsying (especially kidnapping)
>  Blowing up British buildings.
> 
> References to work in folk songs should avoid the following job categories:
>  Insurance
>  Work for any government agency except prisons
>  Re-insurance
> 
> Words that can be sprinkled at random over folk songs:
>  gather,
>  farewell,
>  thee,
>  dead,
>  twas,
>  alas,
>  true love,
>  bonnie, dagger,
>  do Lord.
>  and so on.... These apply mostly to ballads:
> 
> True loves are always either:
>  Missing (gone for seven years)
>  Dead (see Necrophilia element)
>  In disguise
>  Your brother/sister (either known or unknown)
>  False (off chasing/married to another)
> 
> If it's a happy ending, it's a very rare folksong...
> 
> If your true love is dead, you must:
>  Long to kiss his/her dead lips or other portions of the anatomy (The
>  Tradition of Necrophilia)
>  Never love again
>  Have done her in yourself after spending all night diggin' of her grave
>  Have done him in yourself because he done you wrong
> 
> If you are a sailor, and you meet a fair young lady, you will:
>  Wind up with no money and no clothes, wearing a dress (the Transvestite
>  Element)
>  Get laid after pulling her string
>  Acquire a painful and unpleasant social disease
>  Get shot after she dresses in men's clothing and finds you've been false
>  (see Transvestite Element)
> 
> If you are a young lady, and you meet a sailor, you will:
>  Turn him down because he's dirty
>  Turn him down because you don't recognize him
>  Change your mind when you find out he's got money
>  Change your mind after experiencing his sexual prowess
>  Dress up in man's clothing (the Transvestite Element, yet again)
> 
> And LOTS of metaphors!!  Referring to various actions, body parts, etc.,
> should be as circumspect as possible. Birds,flowers,alcoholic
> beverages,(blood red wine, etc)... may be freely substituted for lips,
> breasts etc.
>  And for Male Parts...anything is ok as long as it is longer than it is
> wide.
> 
>   Women who are NOT active heroines in the song may be given away as
> prizes to men who achieve some goal...such as killing villains, saving ships,
> etc.
> 
> You are a bona fide folk singer if:
>  you have nine different guitar capos, including a semi-automatic flipoff
>  your first name is one syllable long, or at most is two syllables that
> end in a vowel, e.g. Doc, Pete, Guy, Woody, Townes, Shawn, Joan, Judy, Nanci
>  you learned the song on a porch, preferably one with a sofa with the
> insides sprung out
>  you refuse to make an anatomical pun about "The Londonderry Air"
>  you have ''This X fights Y'' inscribed somewhere on your instrument,
> e.g.''this E string fights racism''.
>  you have a dog named after a colour.
> 
> You are not a bona fide folk singer if:
>  you play the Hammond Organ
>  your first name is Brittany (unless you are a boy)
>  your last name is Rockefeller or Windsor
>  you learned the song from your chauffeur or housekeeper, unless her name
> is Elizabeth Cotton
>  you have a sticker on your guitar that reads: "Baby On Board"
>  you have a cat (whether it comes back or not) or goldfish (see Entry
> under whales). You can have a horse as long as you race it in England or
> France.

-Tom Gill
 tgill@igc.org
 Lubbock, Texas

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Subject: NN: top 20 and top 10 question
   Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:57:56 EST
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

I'm enjoying the lists folks are sending in, but am a bit confused. Are these 
things actually being compiled by someone? Seems like the decade thing was 
suggested by someone (pardon me for not recalling who) that offered to keep 
track, but as for a 'best of 99'--I'm not clear on that. 

I know the past couple of years, at least, the official year-end NN Top Ten 
has been Pugsley's baby. I'm not volunteering you for it again, Pug--unless 
you want it--but wondering if you're planning on doing it? Obviously it's a 
lot of work, and much appreciated. Anyway, if Pugsley (or someone else) is 
going to take on the project, maybe it's time to set the guidelines, etc. as 
people are sending lists in already.

Steve

Subject: NN: Archives/Tops of the decade
   Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:55:48 EST
   From: Tricia9999@aol.com

I have been reading much of the archives lately, and for those who have not 
been on the list for long, I highly recommend it. What a wealth of wonderful 
writing and thoughts on Nanci and her music.  I have lately been reading the 
digests that coincide with the release of Blue Roses and have put the cd on 
while reading all the reviews. It has not been a favorite of mine, but has 
now become one I will listen to much more in the future.  I've really come to 
like it quite a lot.  I find it interesting that many spoke so highly of it 
at the time (in spite of some misgivings),  but it is not making many of the 
top 10 or 20 lists.  Now that I think of it, DBS isn't making many lists 
either.

Anyway, I just want to thank Ms. Brisbin for archiving this list. Give it a 
visit. But if you need to get things done in your life, maybe you oughtn't.

Tricia 


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