// Concert reports from the left coast! Sounds like a couple of 
// wonderful nights. 
// Further down the page we devolve back into a Grateful Dead list.
// And even more lists!
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Nanci in the Redwoods finally!
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:05:05 -0800
   From: Joseph MacTurk (macturkj@humboldt1.com>

Last night (11/17/99) was a rare treat for those who attended the concert in
Arcata, CA. It was just Nanci and her companion of the road, James Hooker.
According to Nanci it was the first time in 10 years that is was just the 2 of
them, since the OFSE tour I believe she said. They admitted to being a bit
scared at first (James said he was still petrified near the end!) because it
had
been so long since they had played without the band. James reported that he
didn't miss the band because they all owed him money. 

Nanci looked to my eyes (and to those whom I talked to later) to be also quite
tired (road weary?) at the start but she seemed to perk up as things moved
along
and her voice became stronger as the evening waned. They started with Along the
Great Divide, and talked about Kate Wolf as being the song writing angel of
Northern California, and ended about 2 hrs. later with a beautiful rendering of
The Wing and the Wheel. This was only my 4th Nanci concert, and the rest were
with the BMO, so I really enjoyed watching how they tried to fill in for a
bigger sound on some songs, while on others they just let less be more.

I was blessed with front row center seats, about 10 feet from Nanci, which were
of course the best seats I have ever had for a NG conference. I loved watching
her and James relate both musically and personally, and could hear all the on
stage banter for a change. 

Finally, and gratefully, Nanci closed the book on the controversy about why she
had to bow out at the last minute on her previous visit to this wonderful part
of the world. She said that she is extremely allergic to something that we grow
up here and got near it. I wonder what she could have been alluding to ...

Blessed be
Joe

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Subject: NN: Nanci on the Central Coast finally!
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:23:16 -0800 (PST)
   From: John Houser (jchouser@yahoo.com>

> Last night (11/17/99) was a rare treat for those who
> attended the concert in Arcata, CA.

Agree whole-heartily after last nights show (11/18) in
SLO. Probably won't have a chance to see her in this
format too often...

I've been REAL (!) lucky this year -- seen NG 3 times,
1 with the Symphony show in Seattle, once with the BMO
in Portland, and last nights just her and JH. Guess I
enjoyed the BMO show the most, but it was a pleasure
listening to her music (and pardon this description,
but I'm too tired to think of something different)
"stripped down"...

BTW, heard JH on a Grand Piano twice now (the one with
BMO was the exception) and two thumbs way up for him
in that format... 

Oh, and before I forget (I'm mentally a little off
today, um, a little more off than normal, that is), a
pleasure meeting the Peete's and the Alvord's. Wish I
had more time to talk with y'all, I'm sure I could
learn a lot...

> Nanci looked to my eyes (and to those whom I talked
> to later) to be also quite tired (road weary?)...

Yes, same appearance here, almost looked like she was
fighting a bit of a cold, but she was a trooper and,
same thing, after a few songs, her voice and her
appearance came around to being better...

Almost feel sorry for her in her apparent state of
health being on the road like she schedule has set for
her - she looked like she needed a chance to rest up a
bit, and not much better places than finding a nice
spot in the Redwoods or the Central Coast, preferably
in front of a fireplace with an appropriate drink in
hand, but maybe she got a chance to recharge a little
bit in one of these beautiful spots...

BTW, RE: Club 47 format. It was fun. Enjoyed Tom Rush
and the other lady performer (last name Miles (Myles?)
her first name escapes me, the mind is not whole
today, sorry). Felt sorry for the one other gentleman
- SLO folks are soooo courteous typically, but someone
got on him and he had a bit of a case of rabbit ears,
that was really too bad. Not my favorite music, kind
of folk music meets Nirvana, but still, someone got a
little disrespectful (and, as I've mentioned before,
the acoustics in the SLO Arts Center are very, very
good, so maybe the rabbit ears comment is kind of
off)...

> Finally, and gratefully, Nanci closed the book on
> the controversy about why she
> had to bow out at the last minute on her previous
> visit to this wonderful part
> of the world. She said that she is extremely
> allergic to something that we grow
> up here and got near it. I wonder what she could
> have been alluding to ...

Hmmm, indeed ;-) 

Well, would love to see her one more time while she's
her in CA, who knows, the parts of my body seriously
tired of being on the road - long story - will succomb
to the desire of one more show this year...

Since I mostly lurk nowadays, take care and Happy
Thanksgiving out there...

JCH

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci at Club 47 in San Luis Obispo
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:19:55 -0800
   From: George Golob (geogo@earthlink.net>

Just got back from seeing Nanci perform at Cal Poly Performing Arts 
Center in San Luis Obispo. CA.  The show was part of the "Club 47" 
series that Tom Rush and others do, trying to keep alive the spirit of 
an old club in Cambridge, Mass, by that name, where top folk performers 
used to perform alongside newcomers (back in the days when when Bob 
Dylan would have been considered a newcomwer!) The Club 47 concerts 
similarly feature new artists performing with established folk 
performers...Tom Rush said that once Nanci did one of the shows as a 
'new voice' a long while ago, but on this show, of course, she was the 
co-headliner with Tom.
The two new faces this time were Lynn Miles and Mathew Ryan. I won't 
get into reviewing them, but they're definitely both worth a listen.
Mathew, you may know, co-wrote "Everything's Coming Up Roses" with 
Nanci, and they performed it as a duet.
It was a rare occasion to hear Nanci and James Hooker performing alone 
together.  I love the BMO, but sometimes it's nice to hear the songs in 
a less elaborate setting...."Hard Life" was especially striking.  She 
did about nine songs in her segment, including "Five and Dime" "Wing 
and the Wheel" "Trouble in the Fields" and "Tell Me How"
Tom Rush was a treat, from his opening version of Jesse Fuller's "San 
Francisco Bay Blues" to his closing Bukka White train song medley. His 
humorous comments on aging were funny.."There's been an alarming 
increase in the number of things I know nothing about!...They have me 
carrying a pager and a cell phone, for example, ...I don't know 
why...in case there's a Folk Song emergency???!!...."
The group ended with Nanci leading them in "If I had a Hammer" and 
encored with "Mighty Storm" with Tom taking the lead. Great Show!
George Golob

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Subject: NN: First timer
   Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 02:11:35 -0800
   From: "Spencer Maxwell" (maxwellhouse@ispchannel.com>

Hello everyone! This is my first post, though I've been "lurking" for
sometime now.
I discovered Nanci by accident while watching the Bravo Channel (OV/OR 
video). This beautiful person with a lovely voice and such feeling! I ran down
to a local record store and they had one copy of the video, I 
bought that and every Nanci CD in the place. What treasures to find! I 
played them over and over, the songs brought smiles, tears and woke up 
some memories. Well, last night I finally got to see her live at a "Club 
47" event in San Luis Obispo, CA. She only played nine songs but they 
were some of the best. Just Hooker and her on the first seven, like A 
Fair Summer Evening.  She looked good and sounded great although she 
kept telling us "I have a frog living in my throat, rent free!". The 
show also included: Tom Rush, Lynn Miles and Matthew Ryan, a truly 
talented group. Now I'm looking forward to seeing her with the BMO when 
ever they pass this way again, I hope I don't have to wait too long...

Spencer

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Subject: NN: Thoughts on "The holiness of the heart's affections..." 
	(Nanci Content)
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:06:46 EST
   From: VickiStein@aol.com

Hello to All ~

I was just reading a paper that a friend of mine is writing about the German 
author/poet Rainer Maria Rilke and came across this quote:  "I am certain of 
nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of 
Imagination." 

And I immediately thought of Nanci, painting masterpieces with words about 
"the holiness of the heart's affections."  "Love at the Five and DIme," "Say 
It Isn't So," "Trouble in These Fields," "Late Night Grande Hotel," (and so 
many more of the songs she's written that simply nail the heart with a 
hammer), come to mind.  

And I'm thinking how fortunate I feel at this moment now for songwriters like 
Nanci who convey the rich, complex, and beautiful spectrum of emotions with 
vivid imagery, striking honesty,  and divine perception.  

Certainly, Nanci is one of several songwriters who've "stood me still," 
coaxed my Gasp! at the "deja vu" of the tapestry of  phrases woven into 
music, but Nanci is also one of the very few artists who continue to move me 
(and she has moved me for many years) at the fiber of my being with her 
astounding ability to bring the truth home to my heart.

Peace and Homemade Pumpkin Pie for All, 

Vicki ("It's harvest time" & my home wreaks of gourd-enhancing spices) Stein

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Subject: NN: SHOOTING STARS
   Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:36:37 EST
   From: VickiStein@aol.com

Hi to all and all of you!  Nancinetters and Indigo Girls List!

I am so blessed!  I just saw a shooting star!  (Well, that's what we call 
them in this neck of the woods!)  I took my burly golden retriever out to do 
his night work, and low and behold, gazing into the Eastern Sky, WOOOOOSHHHH! 
 It went zooming by, white glory from God!  It had a good tail...a full 
second and a half or so.   The irony of it all is that, prior to leaving the 
house, I was listening to the Indigo Girls "Swamp Ophelia," and Emily was 
singing "Fare Thee Well, My Bright Star."   Timing is everything, though I 
wasn't really paying attention to the song.  More contrived, however, knowing 
it is a ripe night for the Leonid Showers, I decided to listen to Gustav 
Holst's "The Planets" on my Walkman when I took Checkers (said retriever) out 
for his romp.   (Incidentally, our renowned symphony is performing Holst this 
weekend ~ I CAN'T WAIT! ~ as well as Stravinsky and Barber, with the chorus.  
Coincidence, or should I call  Sculley and Mulder???)  The sky here, in Grand 
Rapids, Michigan, is clear and lovely, the air crisp and cool (in the low 
40's or high 30's), and the stars are in full force.  The meteorite was a 
gift, considering I live in the city, although it is relatively dark in the 
parks surrounding my house.  

Nonetheless, it evokes memories of Fogelberg's "Stars" from his first album.  
 Why does the name of that album escape me?  I was its Siamese Twin through 
high school, and sang many of the songs, from "To The Morning," to "Wysteria" 
to "Stars."  A truly beautiful song, one of my favorites of all time (though 
I probably left it off of my "list" ~ more evidence of my wild and crazy 
youth catching up with my old self...).  My photographic memory is failing me 
as I hit forty, and I don't like it all.  

My wish on the star tonight..."Peace on the Planet, and peace to all of you." 
 

I beckon you all to follow the stars tonight.  

Vicki

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Subject: Fwd: NN: Warren Zevon's "From a Distance"
   Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:24:35 EST
   From: VickiStein@aol.com

I loved "From A Distance" when Nanci sang it......

I saw Warren Zevon in concert at the  State Theatre in Kalamazoo back when I 
was married (equates to when the dinosaurs were on the planet)..
 
He is a great talent...I just heard "Lawyers, guns, and money" on the radio 
a couple of days ago....made me think of back packing and camping and all of 
that.  Actually, made me think of college.   What a sweet thought...my 
college experience was wonderful.  We were folkies sitting under the pines in 
Marquette, Michigan....singing to Prine and Guthrie and John Denver, and 
Carly Simon, Simon and Garfunkel, and the Beatles, and Dan Fogelberg tunes to 
our Creator....if you don't mind me saying, the most beautiful place in the 
U.S.  (though no one agrees 'til they've been there...)...is Marquette...we 
even sang during winter camp...which, I hear is unheard -of......(think of 
freezing your a-hem...parts off)...I'll make pasties for anyone who wants to 
try.... >>

Vicki

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Subject: Re: NN: top 20 and top 10 question
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:20:27 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Hey Steve and everyone --

I did the top ten compilations for a couple of years, and Robert has
done a fantastic job with them for the last two.  It's work keeping up
with all the lists and then putting them together into a presentable
format at the end, especially during the mayhem of the holidays.  Still,
it's a fun thing and I always look forward to seeing the NN's composite
top ten every year.  I agree that right now it's a bit of a fuster
cluck, and I'm having a hard time mentally seperating the top 10s, 20s,
and 100s.  So I guess the challenge has been set.  Surely there is a
brave volunteer amoung our masses who can do us all a favor and attempt
the task of compilation, and outline some rules.  C'mon now, there's no
monetary compensation, but it's sure to add bottlecaps to your halo.

Warm Regards, 
-Shawn (Who's being careful not to drop the soap in the meteor shower.)

Subject: NN: SHOOTING STARS/My brain failure on Fogelberg
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:17:31 EST
   From: VickiStein@aol.com

((  The Fogelberg album is "Home Free".
 I played the record so many times that the stylus came through and
 started playing the songs on side 2. >>

All I can say is thank you so much!.  And duh...I knew that.  Thanks for 
jarring my memory.  

I'm one of those "low to no sleep" people....Gonna go check the stars...if 
anyone is interested, ask me about our annual hootenanny during the Persied 
Showers.  It is in Ludington, Michigan, and quite the musical event.  Peace 
Tonight.

Subject: NN: "Cold Dog Soup"
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:10:42 EST
   From: Tastho@aol.com

Steve Robertson wrote:

He didn't play many songs from his new album, but he did play "Cold Dog Soup".
Does anyone have any ideas on how he came up with that title?

The following was taken from promotional materials for Guy's new album:

The title track of Cold Dog Soup is actually a newer song which Clark wrote
after meeeting with Mark D. Sanders, one of Nashville's most successful and
respected songwriters. Clark says, "He had a typed list with five or six pages
of one liners, titles and hook lines. I mean, you've gotta start somewhere. I
was looking through it, saw the line 'cold dog soup' and said, 'I like that.'
What's it about?" Although Sanders couldn't explain the phrase, Clark recalls,
"When we started talking, it turned out that we had both played in this joint
in Mission Beach near San Diego in the late '60's and early '70's when I was
living in L.A. In fact, I got the line from 'L.A. Freeway' after driving back
from that club. I woke up in the back of the car and thought, 'God, if I could
just get off this L.A. freeway without getting killed or caught'."

"Cold Dog Soup" contains several musical and literary references, several of
which are real-life recollections of the club. "Mark and I remembered the whole
scene," Clark says. "Tom Waits was working there at the time as the doorman."
If the song's images sound rather surreal, Clark laughs, "It was. It's as close
to the truth as I can remember." 

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Subject: Re: NN: "Cold Dog Soup"
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:23:55 -0800 (PST)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

 --- Tastho@aol.com wrote:
 ...Clark says, "He had a typed
 > list with five or six pages of one liners, titles
 > and hook lines. I mean, you've gotta start
 > somewhere. I was looking through it, saw the line
 > 'cold dog soup' and said, 'I like that.' What's it
 > about?" Although Sanders couldn't explain the
 > phrase... 
 
    David Lindley wrote a song called "Catfood
 Sandwiches,"  a phrase all too easy to explain.
 
      "We got cat food sandwiches 
      waiting for us backstage 
      and the woman who made them
      looks just like Jimmy Page"
 
 Nanci would never write such a song because in spite
 of her claims to the contrary she obviously doesn't
 eat.
 
 Reid "in the heart of the eating darkness" Mitchell

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Subject: NN: Guy Clark in Atlanta
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:01:55 EST
   From: Catelaw@aol.com

Hey y'all,

Atlanta burned again last Saturday night, but this time with the enthusiastic 
approval of at least those few who witnessed the spectacle.  Guy Clark came, 
saw, conquered and plundered the Highland Hardware on his way out of town.

At least that's the way I remember it.  As my good friend Steve Robertson 
mentioned in his report,  Jesse Winchester was sharing the bill with Guy and 
opened.  I had to go look him up to have any idea, so I went into the show 
with dueling perceptions, holding a grudge for "Candida" mitigated by the 
knowledge that he's from Memphis and also penned the Jimmy Buffett classic 
"Biloxi."  Jesse had just about overcome the Candida thing, escalated rapidly 
by using the Memphis thing in a great tune about, of course, Elvis, when he 
totally blew it by doing the one thing I hoped he would do -- sing Biloxi.  
All in all, he's an interesting performer, but should play about 45 minutes 
and NEVER sing Biloxi, IMHO of course.  He did the only encore to the show, 
also, which was odd, although Guy & Verlon (and seems like someone else) came 
out on the stage with him, in a show of solidarity.

After a seeming eternity, Guy Clark strolled onto the stage with Verlon 
Thompson in tow.  No fashion reports because I have no clue as to what he was 
wearing.  He must have been wearing something because I think I would have 
noticed otherwise, but I couldn't take my eyes off his face and hands.  I've 
tried and tried to think of the single right word to describe Guy's stage 
presence and still can't come up with one that is completely on point -- 
graceful, elegant, commanding, powerful -- it just defies me.  A line in a 
review somewhere described Guy as having "an old soul."  The beauty and grace 
of his old soul just shone from that small stage like a beacon.  I cried more 
than once and laughed myself silly.  And his hands on that guitar...my, my, 
my.

The crowd was very enthusiastic and shouting requests "from the git-go," many 
of which Guy sang good-naturedly, making the remark about not using a set 
list and saying things like, "You people are psychic!  I was just gonna do 
that!"  About three numbers in, though, folks started hollering for "Step 
Inside This House" and he refused, telling the story of how a group of them 
were taking turns playing each other's songs that they liked.  He said this 
was when Lyle played Step Inside and it took Guy two verses before he even 
realized it as his own song.  Then he begged off, claiming "my short term 
memory's so bad I can hide my own Easter eggs."  

Here's some semblance of a set list, although it's probably not in order and 
undoubtedly incomplete.  I don't have Cold Dog Soup yet, although folks were 
yelling for cuts from it as loud as for old favorites, so I'm sure he did 
more cuts from it than I remember right now.  Although I must say, having 
heard it, that the title cut alone is probably worth the price (lovingly 
describing TVZ as being full of "angst and hillbilly haikus" -- a great song).

Cold Dog Soup
Dublin Blues  (Steve had to peel me off the ceiling)
Stuff That Works
She Ain't Goin' Nowhere (awesome)
Baton Rouge  (Guy doesn't pronounce BR quite the same way as Nanci, but the 
effect will definitely stand one still)
Picasso's Mandolin
Boats to Build (Steve's favorite)
The Cape
Like a Coat From the Cold
Out In the Parking Lot
Homegrown Tomatoes
L.A. Freeway
Randall Knife (unplugged - beautiful)

Verlon also did a number he wrote "about his momma", because Guy told him 
that he "wouldn't go to heaven if he didn't write a song about his momma."  
Afterwards, someone in the crowd yelled, "Verlon, you're going to heaven now 
for sure!"  Seems like it contained the phrase Greasy Back Creek, Oklahoma, 
but I can't be sure -- way too entranced.

Heavy, heavy sigh.  And another.

Cate, in Atlanta

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Subject: NN: re:My Top 20
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:30:32 -0800 (PST)
   From: Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com>

Dear Netters,

Ok, I can’t resist-here are my top 20 albums of the
1990s:

1. Flyer …….  Nanci Griffith
2. Other Voices, Other Rooms………. Nanci Griffith
3. Time Out Of Mind…………… Bob Dylan
4. Bringing Down the Horse…….. The Wallflowers
5. Come On, Come On…………… Mary Chapin Carpenter
6. Sweet Old World……………….. Lucinda Williams
7. August & Everything After……… Counting Crows
8. You Don’t Know Me……………. Denice Franke
9. Dust Bowl Symphony……………… Nanci Griffith
10. Blue Roses from the Moons…….. Nanci Griffith
11. Circles & Arrows…………………. Cheryl Wheeler
12. Forever Blue……………………….. Chris Isaak
13. Glimmer……………………………. Kim Ritchie
14. Driving Home…………………. Cheryl Wheeler
15. Kim Ritchie………………………. Kim Ritchie
16. Simple Gearle…………………….. Stacey Earle
17. Everybody Else is Doing It So….. Cranberries
18. Into The Great Wide Open……….. Tom Petty & The
Heartbreakers
19.  Wallflowers………………………. The Wallflowers
20. Party Doll & Other Favorites……. Mary Chapin
Carpenter

Bob Riegner

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Subject: NN: Re: NanciNet #99B16
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:31:11 EST
   From: PHHCIO@aol.com

YES TO THE RANKIN FAMILY!  They are superb.  They are also now going their 
separate ways after about 7 albums.  I have also turned on lately to Bruce 
Guthro, Kevin Parent and Jerry Alfred...... all Canadiacs, all worth a 
listen.  A friend of mine in Canada sent me a sampler called "Over Canada"  
which has some terrific cuts on it.

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Subject: NN: Re: Guy Clark Report
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:51:47 EST
   From: GregS2@aol.com


I too saw Guy about 6 weeks ago. What a treat. He was sans set list & just 
took requests. Do you remember who his exceptional, sidekick guitarist was? 
I've heard that Guy used to work in television. Anyone know if this is true? 
I was waiting to hear more about Jesse Winchester. I've always wondered what 
he's been up to.

Greg

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Subject: NN: Garcia (Nanci content)
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:11:38 EST
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

The best, most emotional version of "Across the Great Divide" I've ever heard 
was the one Nanci dedicated to Jerry Garcia and Kate Wolf at Rocky Mtn Folks 
Fest in August 1995. I wept like a baby.

Steve

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    Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:44:57 -0600
    From: VickiStein@aol.com
 Subject: Fwd: NN: top 20 and top 10 question

I would be willing to do it, I can put it in EXCEL or in another database, 
BUT I would like everything thus far forwarded to me (I don't have records of 
everything, I am a delete-a-maniac, unless something moves me) and also would 
like to know of what is expected.   Also, a bit of info about what is 
involved would help.   

A little background on me...I work (and have for 18 years) as a marketing 
communications manager for a major seating company.  I write, plan, develop 
brochures and external communications (as well as internal communications), 
and I plan everything from soirees to major (500+) cocktail parties, to 
seminars to tradeshows, and am familiar with retaining information.   The 
thing that saves me from the mundane detail  is my contact with artists and 
photographers.  I do all of the copywriting for the company, and am respected 
in the field for my varied skills, as well as my ability to communicate well. 
 I am pleasant.   By and large, people like me because I am disarming.  I 
have the ability to get what is needed to  accomplish a project.  

I am willing to do this for Nancinet, but the one thing is...in my book, 
deadlines are deadlines, and I don't like to vary from what is set, cuz it 
causes confusion.    

If you would like me to handle this, then let me know.  

Vicki

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Subject: Re: NN: (no subject)
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:31:25 -0500
   From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>

> From: VickiStein@aol.com

> I would be willing to do it, I can put it in EXCEL or in another database,
> BUT I would like everything thus far forwarded to me (I don't have records of
> everything, I am a delete-a-maniac, unless something moves me) and also would
> like to know of what is expected.   Also, a bit of info about what is
> involved would help.

I hope the list says a big yes...I love a once a year list put on a web
page, compiling everyone's lists, but the endless posts to the list, of
lists of people we've been talking about all year anyway are dull and
overwhelming.

Now...what was that about top ten Grateful Dead songs (g>

Sarah

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Subject: NN: Past 3 years top ten results
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:57:49 -0800
   From: Susan Peete (suepeete@cruzio.com>

If Vicki wants to compile the top ten lists, I would be happy to put up the
results on the Friends Out In the Madness "top Ten" page.

You can view the past 3 years' top ten results at:
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/Nanci/TopTens/index.html

Cheers,

Sue "can be found in San Luis Obispo tonight at the Cal Poly Performing Arts
Center for Tom Rush's Club 47/Nanci Griffith concert" Peete :-)

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Subject: NN: RE: (no subject)
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:40:56 -0500
   From: Susan Chisom (Susan.Chisom@JWHOMES.com>

I think I have most,if not all, of the posted lists saved.  I kinda toyed
with the idea of compiling them, but think Vicki will do a fabulous job :-)

Let me know if you want me to forward the messages to you.

Susan 

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Subject: Re: NN: RE: (no subject)
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:36:32 -0600
   From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>

Hmmm...

Actually, I think Vicki was volunteering to do the Top 10 of the Year.
Susan is stuck with the decade...


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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:00:49 -0500
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

John Edward Graveling wrote:
> 
> As "China Cat" spirals and falls around
> Jerry Garcias' unbelievably fluid lines....  The feel they generated was
> unlike any other band, a unique vision.
> 
> The greatest loss of the '90's, Jerry Garcia?
> 

Some threads just cry out for a little dissention- to balance all the
praise. I'm sure y'all remember Shawn's opinion of Bob Dylan, for
example. Now, it's my turn. I am constantly in awe of John's
encyclopedic knowledge of music, and I'm impressed with the vast
majority of his favorite picks. But I have to disagree with him about
the Grateful Dead.

I never saw the Dead live (sounds like an episode of The X-Files),and I
never bought one of their albums. But I did see them several times on a
TV with good stereo sound. As far as I'm concerned, they have a highly
descriptive name. The band played like they were Dead, and I was very
Grateful when they finished. As for Jerry's skillful guitar, it sounded
to me like mediocre improvising. And his improvisational breaks went on
forever. Like water torture.

If you want to hear truly talented stringed-instrument musicians do some
skillful improvisation and play tightly together, try Mark O'Connor,
Bela Fleck, Pat Flynn, Tony Rice, or Doc Watson. All of them stand head
and shoulders above Jerry Garcia in my book.

Hidin' Out in the Georgia Pines-
Wishin' It Would Rain,
Steve Robertson

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:20:22 +0000
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Well Robbo you have excelled yourself in your Grateful Dead posting and I 
have no problem with people choosing to disagree, after all we all have 
different tastes in life, whether it be music, food, clothes, restaurants 
etc., etc. However I had to smile because your list of improvisational 
greats was good, with one exception. I walked out of a show at the Ryman 
a couple of years ago. Claire Lynch and her Front Porch Band were quite 
exceptional as the support act, but the headliners, Tony Rice's Bluegrass 
outfit, bored me to tears. Incessant noodlings on an acoustic guitar, no 
melody, little variation, a DrEADful experience. There are few acts who 
actually turn me off with their live displays, but Tony Rice was one of 
them.

John "smiling" Graveling

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Subject: RE: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:22:44 -0800
   From: Bill Peete (billpeet@cruzio.com>

Last Friday evening we had the greatest fortune seeing Kate Campbell and
then on Saturday, a double bill with Lucy Kaplansky (accompanied by the
great Nina Gerber) followed by Eddie From Ohio. Kate was great, and everyone
knows how I feel about Lucy :) so I needn't go there, but the highlight for
me was Eddie From Ohio! THIS BAND KICKS BUTT! 

My first exposure to EFO was at the Rocky Mountain Folk Festival in 1997. I
remember thinking as I was reading the lineup for the day, hmmm... Eddie
>From Ohio, never heard of that guy. Might be a good time to go back into
town for lunch. Well when Eddie was due up, we decided to listen for a few
minutes and I was just blown away. IMHO, the lead singer, Julie Murphy
(Wells) may have the best voice, in terms of emotion, energy, and just plain
beauty I have ever heard, barring Nanci of course. The whole band, Julie,
Mike, Eddie and Robbie all have great stage presence and I just can't
recommend them highly enough. 

Which leads to the subject line...

For a truly rousing live version of "I Know You Rider", look no further than
Eddie from Ohio's rendition on their "Portable EFO" live CD. 

Eddie From Ohio's "Looking Out The Fishbowl" is my second favorite CD for
1999 following DBS.

Headin out to San Luis Obispo,

Bill

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:47:03 EST
   From: Petop@aol.com

stever@mindspring.com writes:

(( I never saw the Dead live  >>

Which is the only way to see or appreciate the Dead. Television doesn't do 
it. Records, even commercially released recordings of concerts, can't come 
close (which is one of the reasons the Dead are so heavily bootlegged and why 
the Dead invited fans to record their concerts.) Also, how many of those 
other musicians you named were missing a finger? Despite his physical 
handicap, Garcia was a gifted musician (listen to his work with David Grisman 
and Old & In the Way) who developed a unique style. He was an original. He is 
missed and I miss the experience of attending a Grateful Dead concert. 

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Subject: Re: NN: I wish I was a headlight on a northbound train
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:29:38 EST
   From: Petop@aol.com

   Shawn wrote:
      >Since it looks like "I Know You Rider" is shaping up to be the lists'
      >favorite Grateful Dead song

 and Dan.Gerson replied:
      Have to disagree here. "Friend of the Devil" beats IKYR hands down and
      has the singular distinction of being the only Dead song Lyle Lovett
      has covered. 

I will go one step further. Why would anyone refer to "I Know You Rider" as a 
Grateful Dead song to begin with? It is an out-of-copyright folk song that 
was recorded by the Grateful Dead but also by Gale Garnett eight years before 
the Dead put it on its Europe '72 album. It has also been recorded by Hot 
Tuna, Melissa Reaves, Roger Wilson and others.

Friend of the Devil, on the other hand, is a Dawson/Garcia/Hunter composition 
which made its first appearance on the Dead's American Beauty album. 

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Subject: RE: NN: I Know You Rider (no Nanci content)
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:30:44 -0500
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Steve,
My opinion of the Dead differs from yours, but I do have to agree with one
point you made. Most TV/Video appearances of the Dead are pretty lame, they
could never capture the "essence" of a live show, which many tried to do.
The concerts, however, were a different story.
As for the greatest loss of the 90's, if we're compiling a new list here,
I'd like to add the loss of Tony Rice's voice. His vocal cords were affected
by some throat disease/condition several years ago and the man can hardly
talk, never mind sing. One of the great voices of bluegrass music was taken
away from us. Fortunately, though, his guitar playing is still as good as
ever.
Roman P

P.S. You can add the passing of Bill Monroe to that list as well.

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Subject: NN: RE: NanciNet #99B17
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:29:13 -0800
   From: "Grissom, Mark" (mgrissom@bechtel.com>

Whoa, Deadheads on the NN List!  We ARE everywhere!!!!!!  I go back to 1967
here in SF with the boys, so a long strange trip it has been indeed. A night
at the Fillmore West, 3.1.69 to be exact, changed how I looked at music from
thereafter. So, I have to chime in that "Dark Star" is the best song...

And I have been lucky enough to catch most of Phil Lesh's recent shows with
his various friends, the April shows here with 2 guys from Phish being far
and away the best. Unfortunately, he had a falling out recently with his
main foil, the sublime guitarist Steve Kimock. For those who haven't seen
him, Kimock is the most melodic and magical guitarist I have heard since
prime Jerry Garcia. He was considered a Garcia clone but is much more than
that. KVHW, his little 4-piece, is touring a bit this fall. Highly
recommended...

Top Ten of the Decade (totally off the top of my head and only because I
agree with some other lists did I think of these)

Time Out Of Mind - Bob Dylan
Wrecking Ball - Emmylou Harris
August And Everything After - Counting Crows
A Few Small Repairs - Shawn Colvin
Tracks - Bruce Springsteen
Apple Venus I - XTC
Flyer - Nanci Griffith
The Healing Game - Van Morrison
Kiko - Los Lobos
I'm Alive - Jackson Browne
Phil And Phriends, April 1999 (bootleg)

SpinyMark in Berkeley

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Subject: NN: I Know you rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:18:45 -0500
   From: "Aquarian Resourses" (Aquarian@1acc.com>

I have to agree with Mark that Dark Star is the best Dead song.
For years I played it off of LiveDead 69 as I went to sleep.It
took me to wonderful places. Also,on the same record ST Stephen/
The Eleven would have to rate No.2 . However its tough picking any
of these songs over each other I have great versions of China Cat/Rider
and Friend of the Devil. Jerry was a shining light,when he passed on the
world got a little bit colder. Joe

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:46:27 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Okay, I should have said, "One of the lists favorite Grateful Dead
songs."  :-)

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:54:50 -0500
   From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>

How about SOME of the lists favorite...as there may be a few who
wouldn't know or care a whit about any of their songs (g>

Sarah

Shawn Kimbro wrote:
> 
> Okay, I should have said, "One of the lists favorite Grateful Dead
> songs."  :-)

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:44:33 -0500
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

"A song some, but not all, list members like, or at least know about,
and that is sometimes, but not always, associated with the Grateful
Dead, who are not especially grateful, but somewhat dead, is "I Know You
Rider."

Does that work?  ;-)

-Shawn  (Who is sensing that our list manager, along with the majority
of the membership, would be grateful if this thread were dead.)

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know you rider
   Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:40:41 -0600
   From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>

Shawn Kimbro wrote:
> 
> -Shawn  (Who is sensing that our list manager, along with the majority
> of the membership, would be grateful if this thread were dead.)

You got that right!

Bill "grateful who?" Page

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:49:46 -0500
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

Petop@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  Also, how many of those
> other musicians you named were missing a finger? 

OK, I'll amend my original list to include Django Reinhardt.

Still Hidin' Out,
Steve Robertson

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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:05:31 -0800 (PST)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

Let's not forget Wingy Malone, who was missing an
entire arm.  Hence his nickname.


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Subject: Re: NN: I Know You Rider
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:05:10 -0500
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

Reid Mitchell wrote:
> 
> Let's not forget Wingy Malone, who was missing an
> entire arm.  Hence his nickname.
> 

I was sure that Reid created ol' Wingy for the comic effect, but the
AllMusic Guide says he was an actual successful jazz trumpeter from the
Thirties. Since he lost his right arm, and used an artificial, I suppose
he could have become a pretty good guitar player if he tried.

For those of you who aren't familiar with these old guys, Django
Reinhardt was a famous jazz guitarist from the Thirties and Forties who
managed to play some intricate melodies despite the loss of two fingers
of his left hand. But I listened to a few samples of his work at
Amazon.com and I believe Jerry Garcia sounded a little better than
Django. But Django's partner in the original Hot Band, the jazz
violinist Stephane Grappelli, still sounds pretty good.

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Subject: NN: Doug Sahm (no Nanci content)
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:04:11 -0500
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Once again, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this just ran across
the AP wire this AM. I'm sure many on this list were familiar with him.
Roman

Doug Sahm 
TAOS, N.M. (AP) - Doug Sahm, a main mover in the Tex-Mex supergroup Texas
Tornados and the lead in the Sir Douglas Quintet, was found dead Thursday in
a Taos hotel room Thursday. He was 58. 
The cause of the death was not immediately known, but a field examiner with
the state Office of the Medical Investigator determined there was no foul
play. 
Sahm, who first became famous in the 1960s with the Sir Douglas Quintet,
found a new career 25 years later with Freddy Fender and the Texas Tornados.

The master of many different musical styles - from rock, country and blues
to Tex-Mex - he began his career as a child, playing in a local band and
singing on the radio at age 5. By age 8 he was a regular on the ``Louisiana
Hayride'' radio show. By 11, he sang at a Hank Williams concert in Austin
only weeks before Williams died. 
As a teen-ager he started his recording career in 1955 with a single called
``A Real American Joe'' under the name ``Little'' Doug Sahm. 
He achieved national fame in 1965, when the Sir Douglas Quintet had a hit
with ``She's About a Mover.'' Other Sir Douglas hits included ``Rains Came''
and ``Mendocino.'' 
In the late 1980s Sahm teamed up with Fender in the Texas Tornados, which
had hits with songs such as ``A Little Bit Is Better Than Nada,'' ``Who Were
You Thinking Of,'' ``She Never Spoke Spanish To Me'' and ``Hey Baby, Que
Paso?'' 

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Subject: Re: NN: Doug Sahm (no Nanci content)
   Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:12:02 EST
   From: PRobin5478@aol.com

Dear List --

What a shame that Doug Sahm is dead!  He was a great man of music.  

I urge anyone who is not familiar with his work to run out and get "The Best 
of Doug Sahm and The Sir Douglas Quintet 1968-75" on Mercury.  It has 22 cuts 
and hardly begins to scratch the surface of his musical gifts.

Or, if you can find it, "Live Love," a live set of the Quintet from the 
Armadillo World Headquarters from 1975.  It shows the joy and expertise with 
which Doug made music.

Long live Doug Sahm.

Peter in SoCal

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