NanciNet Digest 1-22-99
// A little Dirty Linen is aired, we look at the dates of original
// release from OVOR tracks, Sarah shares some insight on a favorite
// song from OVOR, Kerrville and Ann Arbor happenings...
// Enjoy...[BP]
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Subject: NN: Re: Dirty Linen #37
From: George Golob (geogo@earthlink.net>
I checked my bookshelf, and yes, I do happen to have Dirty Linen #37
that Georg mentioned. It's from 1991 and has a cover photo and inside
photos of Nanci at Newport (All in black and white because the magazine
had not yet gone to color back then), Inside there's an article about
what was then Nanci's newest release, Late Night Grand Hotel, with lots
of comments from Nanci about the songs, the recording, and what she had
been trying to accomplish on that record. There's also a separate
staff article that lists all of Nanci's records and gives a brief
description of each.
I LOVE Dirty Linen Magazine, even when it doesn't have Nanci articles,
because of the literally dozens and dozens of record reviews in each
issue...from obscure private releases to major artists, it's probably
one of the best sources of info on folk-related records around....They
even include all the Record Company addresses so you can order directly
from them if you see something interesting that's way too obscure for
the local Tower/Wherhouse/Virgin/Best Buy/Whatever chain stores to
carry.
When I was a teenager in Pueblo, Colorado in the 60's, one of my
favorite things was to drive up to the Denver Folklore Center and visit
their record store...Man, it seemed like they had everything that
existed on vinyl in their two rooms of record racks...folk music from
every country...old and new blues....all the rock records in the world
(imports were a novelty back then, but they had tons of them)...big
bands and jazz...the works. Sadly. it closed long ago , though the
Folklore Center still exists on a smaller scale.
I almost got as big a rush from Down Home Records, up north of Berkeley
in California, though it's not as much fun now that they emphasize CD's
over vinyl. I think it was there that I remember seeing an Eric Taylor
album with Nanci Griffith singing backup and duets...this probably
dated back to about when "There's a Light Beyond These Woods" was new.
I didn't know who either of them were at the time, so I didn't buy
it....DAMN!!!
Anyway, Dirty Linen is a cool place to look for new sounds....any
record freaks out there want to share any of their sources, let me
know?
George
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Subject: NN: Re: Dirty Linen #37 (non-Nanci)
From: DickFile@aol.com
Griffriends,
The latest issue of Dirty Linen contains a cover story on Alison Brown--a
wonderful banjo player. She started her career as part of "Union Station"
(the Allison Krauss "band") and has currently gone from bluegrass to jazz with
her own group (The Alison Brown Quartet). In addition, she's formed her own
record label and has produced several other artists.
I like to think of her as a more mellow Bela Fleck.
I recommend her music to anyone who likes the Flecktones or jazz in general.
She's a great musician!
Dick "possibly not worth my 2c" File
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Subject: NN: Re: OVOR Dates
From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>
Max wrote:
> In OV2 the lyrics include the year the song was
> written but in OROV the year of origin is not included. I would be grateful
> to hear from anybody who knows this information or where I can find it, as
> I'm not familiar with most of the songwriters (yet !), and knowing the
> dates/eras adds to my enjoyment a little more.
Great question, I hope everyone will chip in for answers. It shouldn't
be too hard to research, I remember someone once relating they'd
collected all the original recordings. I'm hesitant after screwing up
the last dates I attempted, but here's a start. Can anyone prove me
wrong with these dates?
Are You Tired of Me My Darling - 1877 (Carter Family, 1934)
Across The Great Divide - 1981 (Close To You)
Tecumseh Valley - 1968 (For The Sake of the Song)
Boots of Spanish Leather - 1964 (The Times They Are A'Changing)
Do Re Mi - 1940 (I don't know the name of the original album, maybe a
Lomax recording)
Wimoweh - traditional but I guess the Weavers recorded it in 1955?
(maybe earlier but it's on the Carnegie Hall album)
Warm Regards,
-Shawn
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: OVOR Dates
From: MISTERCD@webtv.net (SID PORTER)
Here are some more dates:
Morning Song For Sally 1969 from the album Driftin' Way of Life
Speed Of The Sound Of Loneliness 1986 from the album German Afternoons
Three Flights Up 1993 from the album From My Hands
Still lookin' for more
Sid
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Subject: NN: Re: OVOR Dates
From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>
Can anyone fill in the blanks? Corrections?
--
Across The Great Divide - 1981 (Close To You)
Woman of the Phoenix - written in 1975 (Phoenix 1994)
Tecumseh Valley - 1968 (For The Sake of the Song)
Three Flights Up - 1993 (From My Hands)
Boots of Spanish Leather - 1964 (The Times They Are A'Changing)
Speed Of The Sound Of Loneliness - 1986 (German Afternoons)
From Clare To Here -
Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm Bound - (Ramblin' Boy)
Do Re Mi - 1940
This Old Town -
Comin' Down In The Rain -
Ten Degrees and Getting Colder - 1971 (Summer Side of Life)
Morning Song For Sally - 1969 (Driftin' Way of Life)
Night Rider's Lament -
Are You Tired of Me My Darling - written in 1877 (Carter Family, 1934)
Turn Around -
Wimoweh - 1955? (Live at Carnegie Hall?)
Warm Regards,
-Shawn
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Subject: NN: OVOR: filling in the bl*nks
From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>
(((Can anyone fill in the blanks?
>From Clare To Here...>>>
...is from Ralph McTell's 1976 album 'Right Side Up'...
...happy to be of assistance...
If you'll allow me I'll say something else. I love this song, for the rather
crass reason that my wifes name is Claire...I know it's a place
and all, but once upon a time, a couple of years ago, she went on holiday
to Tenerife with her family and I decided to take a road trip up to Scotland.
This was November and as I wondered along Princes Street Gardens (I think
thats what they're called) looking up at the Castle and the snow was falling
and I thought what a lovely place it was and I wish Claire was here to see it,
etc. Anyway I started on my home and got as far as the ring road when I got
caught up in the traffic snarl-up from Hell. Lorries trying to get from
Edinburgh
to Glasgow had slid down the motorway blocking it and preventing any rescue
vehicles getting through. As I sat there in my car hoping that the heater
would
keep going and listening to in-car stereo to keep my spirits up...what should
come on but the above mentioned song (Nanci's version)...I was stuck in snow
in Scotland while Claire was sitting in a restaurant overlooking the Atlantic
and enjoying the evening breeze...and it was a long long way from Claire to
here...the nexy day I set off to the Isle of Skye...it was beautifully sunny
but
the snow was still all about and I listened to Lester Flatt Live! as I heading
into
the hills...
Sorry for rambling,
Robert (Pugsley)
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Subject: Re: NN: OROV & OV2 and Last Dance at the Last Chance
From: dan.gerson@McKesson.com
>I can't help you with anything but Vince Bell's song, Woman of the
>Phoenix which was written in 1975.
Well Sarah, now that you bring it up, can you offer any background on
WOTP? Like what it's about. I've always puzzled over it, and what I
get out of it is an expression of the wild and damn near free spirit
of the protagonist, but still don't feel like I've gotten the whole
story. I remember feeling like I understood it better when I heard
Vince do it on the CD, that it made more sense from his point of view.
But now I don't remember why.
I fondly remember when you and Vince replied to the thread that
started with my starlit walk with my best friend (who indeed holds my
heart between her paws) and my wondering about "The Sun, the Moon, and
the Stars". Of course we'll all understand if you both would rather
leave the interpretation in the ear and heart of the beholder, but any
info would be greatly appreciated. The list has been kind of quiet
lately. Maybe we need a rousing lyric discussion.
>SPEAKING of Vince, I'll serve a little spam up for breakfast if you
>will forgive me. His new CD, Texas Plates, just arrived (where is
>Martha Stewart when you need decorating hints on how to cover 1000
>books and a 1000 Cds?) Until a licensing agreement is completed it is
>only available from his web site and live performances. So info,
>clips, etc are below if anyone is interested.
Does Vince get more of the proceeds if we order it this way? If so my
order is on the way.
Dan G.
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Subject: Re: NN: OROV & OV2 and Last Dance at the Last Chance
From: Bell/Wrightson (onemansmusic@mindspring.com>
dan.gerson@McKesson.com wrote:
>
> Well Sarah, now that you bring it up, can you offer any background on
> WOTP? Like what it's about. I've always puzzled over it, and what I
> get out of it is an expression of the wild and damn near free spirit
> of the protagonist, but still don't feel like I've gotten the whole
> story. I remember feeling like I understood it better when I heard
> Vince do it on the CD, that it made more sense from his point of view.
> But now I don't remember why.
(Now, me, I'd love to hear other people's interpretations....I love so
to see how minds and hearts are moved by the same thing. But...)
Well, the simple answer there is that the song was written by a man
about the wotp and perhaps gets a little murky with the gender change
(dreams of the wayward son). Other than that, to ME -- who knows to
Vince :-) -- its a pretty straight forward love song, describing/referencing/
imaging times and places and people from the waterfront bar to the Odessa
plains. All of them were his kind -- that free spirit -- but the woman is
everything. I don't think knowledge of the specifics of the who and where
in each reference are necessary...a picture is painted of those thousand
lives/thousand places.
Reading lyrics...it is a movement in time sort of song isn't it?
Possibly because Vince had left Texas and moved to Tahoe with that
wotp. He says (from the next room), "Its about my first trip from Tahoe
into San Francisco...Vito was this guy in a long trench coat who tried
to make me give him all my money -- his theory being that I had to
because he was the king of theives.
> Of course we'll all understand if you both would rather
> leave the interpretation in the ear and heart of the beholder, but any
> info would be greatly appreciated. The list has been kind of quiet
> lately. Maybe we need a rousing lyric discussion.
I think he quoted then the "When I wrote it only God and I knew what it
meant, and now only God knows" line from...who said that? But I don't
think offering up a bit of the author's thoughts needs to change anyone
else's...we all have our Waterloos, yes?
Oh, one specific: it is Ratcliff, not Rad as Nanci sang it. Ratcliff
is a small town outside Dallas where Vince had to spend the night in a
broken down van after playing in Dallas.
As he plays it -- tune the A string down to G, capo on the fifth fret,
and don't ever play the low E string.
> Does Vince get more of the proceeds if we order it this way? If so my
> order is on the way.
He gets 100% if you order from us :-) And, as it won't be available in
stores for a while its the only way just now.
http://www.mindspring.com/~vincebell/
Geesh, way too long, thanks,
Sarah
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Subject: NN: the wilds of Nevada
From: dan.gerson@McKesson.com
Sarah wrote:
>Possibly because Vince had left Texas and moved to Tahoe with that
>wotp. He says (from the next room), "Its about my first trip from
>Tahoe into San Francisco...Vito was this guy in a long trench coat who
>tried to make me give him all my money -- his theory being that I had
>to because he was the king of theives.
Wow! Now I know why Vince's music resonates with me so much. I was just
about to ask if he'd ever hung out at Reno/Tahoe (about a thousand feet
straight up from Darcy Farrow country). I spent much of the mid and late
70s there hanging around the Sahara Tahoe poker room and people like
Vito and Avlock and various other free spirits with names like Qualude
Jerry, Mr. Holdem, and The Frenchman (2 of them are even still alive).
Almost every time I listen to Phoenix I'm reminded of that time and
place. I remember vividly, crossing Donner Summit hearing "The Girl Who
Never Saw a Mtn" for the first time and thinking, "this guy has been
here." Thanks, Sarah for your reply and the check is in the mail!
Dan 'just becauseing' G.
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Subject: Re: NN: the wilds of Nevada
From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>
((( I remember vividly, crossing Donner Summit>>>
You never want to cross Donna Summer, not since the 80s anyway,
she can be real mean, and she's got God on her side...
flippantly yours,
Robert "I Feel Love" (Pugsley)
Let me just say "Hmmmm" before Bill does....
// Hmmmm.....
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Subject: Re: NN: the wilds of Nevada
From: Suzanne Jameson (sqcomps@azstarnet.com>
Robert Pugsley wrote:
> ((( I remember vividly, crossing Donner Summit>>>
> You never want to cross Donna Summer, not since she the 80s anyway,
> she's can be real mean, and she's got God on her side...
Donna Summer is a peach compared to Old Man Winter.
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Subject: NN: re: Iris
From: Glen Hatchell (ghgator@ibm.net>
>Does anybody know if the shows Iris DeMent is doing on her current tour
>are solo or with a band?
Iris is solo. She does about 5-8 songs on piano and the
rest on guitar. She plays for 90-120 minutes. Enjoy!
I don't know where you are, but don't wait to get tickets. She's
selling out many venues....
Glen
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Subject: NN: Yahoo! and Nanci
From: "Matthew Bloomfield" (mailm@tthewb.u-net.com>
Hi All,
Haven't seen this posted here yet so hope I'm not repeating someone
elses message...
Searching Yahoo! for Nanci Griffith brought up a link I hadn't seen
before (it also had one of their little "new" messages by the side).
The URL is:
http://artist.music.yahoo.com/muze/performer/GriffithNanci.html
It includes a discography and a biography (link doesn't work though :( )
and the discography includes some album notes and review
information. It appears to be part of their shopping service so I
guess you can buy the albums from there too.
A nice touch is that for most albums there is a picture of the cover,
I think I'll down load each one, stick em in a paint program and build
up a montage of Nanci Album covers to use as a backdrop on my
Workbench.
Matt "more of a YASENF everyday" Bloomfield
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Subject: NN: Another lurker revealed
From: evelyn mckinney (ecampro@yahoo.com>
Howdy Y'all! Just another lurker finally coming out of the dark.
Been a Nanci fan since probably pre'85.
Been lucky enough to see her real close up about a dozen times or
more, close enough to get half dozen autographs on albums and CD's,
close enough to see her spit, close enough to talk to her.
What I haven't heard much about is one of my favorite songs---Cradle
of the Interstate. Hated the movie, but the sound track was Ok. It
was on Falling from Grace. John Mellencamp's movie sound track album.
Any body else like that song?
I'm gonna fade back into lurkdom, but thanks to all you Nanci fans
who've come out and stayed out.
Evelyn "Is there anybody out there..." M.
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Subject: Re: NN: Another lurker revealed
From: "Mark" (catfan@sr.radiks.net>
> What I haven't heard much about is one of my favorite songs---Cradle of
> the Interstate. Hated the movie, but the sound track was Ok. It was on
> Falling from Grace. John Mellencamp's movie sound track album. Any body
> else like that song?
I've never seen the movie but I have heard the song and I LOVE it!!!
> I'm gonna fade back into lurkdom, but thanks to all you Nanci fans
> who've come out and stayed out.
Don't do that, stick around!!
Mark
Remember, time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana.
Townes Van Zandt
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Subject: Re: NN: Another lurker revealed
From: bateman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Evelyn:
I love that song and play it often, although I hate the snippet of movie
dialogue that precedes it. I once made a tape of songs sung by
Nanci that did not appear on any of her albums, and that's been one of my
favourites. If Nanci ever produces a box set, I hope one of the discs will
include the best of these songs from various compilation albums.
Rob Bateman
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Subject: NN: Cradle of the Interstate
From: "Thomas, Tasha" (TThomas@vilcom.com>
Evelyn Mckinney wrote:
>What I haven't heard much about is one of my favorite songs---Cradle
>of the Interstate. Hated the movie, but the sound track was Ok. It
>was on Falling from Grace. John Mellencamp's movie sound track album.
>Any body else like that song?
That song is a fav of mine too. Has anyone out there ever heard it sung
live?
Tasha, if your answer is yes - then I'm green with envy, Thomas
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Subject: Re: NN: Cradle of the Interstate
From: "Mark" (catfan@sr.radiks.net>
> Evelyn Mckinney wrote:
> What I haven't heard much about is one of my favorite songs---Cradle of
> the Interstate.
IMHO It's one NG's better efforts, but for some reason the only
places you can hear it are on the FFG soundtrack and a "single"
which I think includes From Clair to Here, and two other songs.
Mark
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Subject: NN: 1999 Kerrville Folk Festival
From: Petop@aol.com
For those who are interested, here's the list of performers signed for this
year's Kerrville Folk Festival.
David Amram Steve Kritzer
Eric Andersen Jimmy Lafave
Ann Arbor Campfire Michael Lille
Asylum Street Spankers Limpopo
Austin Lounge Lizards Larry Long
Geoff Bartley Lowan & Navarro
Barton & Sweeney Shug Mauldin
Thad Beckman Kimberly M'Carver
Rick Beresford Kate McCleod
Beto & The Fairlanes Lisa McCormick
Annette Bjergfeldt Michael McNevin
British/Irish Songwriters Circle Mary Melena
Chuck Brodsky Hugh & Katy Moffatt
Evan Brubaker Bill Morrissey
Burns Sisters Heidi Muller
Jamie Byrd & Steve Fisher Michael Martin Murphey
Michael Camp Mickey Newbury
Andrew Calhoun David Nelson Band
Janis Carper Carrie Newcomer
Susan Clark Bill Oliver
Lui Collins David Olney
Mary Coppin Marianne Osiel
Gail Davies Ellis Paul
Cliff Eberhardt Pelejuju
Don Edwards Willy Porter
Kat Eggelston Tom Prasada-Rao
Carol Elliott & Buddy Mondlock Darryl Purpose
Alisa Fineman Charles John Quarto
Cathie Fink & Marcy Marxer Thom Rayne
Gina Forsyth Kimmie Rhodes
Rex Foster Righteous Mothers
Ruthie Foster Gayle Ross
Four Bitchin' Babes Lorin Rowan with Doug Harmon
Denise Franke Sadie Greensales Ragtime Jugband
Steven Fromholz Jim Savarino
David Garza Steve Seskin
Vance Gilbert Mem Shannon
Steve Gillette & Cindy Mangsen Susan Shore
Dick Goodwin, Cindy Greene Small Potatoes
Keith Greeninger Kevin So
George Hamilton IV Sons of the Never Wrong
Butch Hancock Amilia Spicer
Michael Hardie Bill Staines
Bill& Bonnie Hearne Sukay
Pricilla Herdman Eric Taylor
Herdman, Hills & Mangsen Louise Taylor
Sara Hickman Artie & Happy Traum
Anne Hills Ian Tyson
Ray Wylie Hubbard Water Bug Showcase
Jazz Pharaohs David Wilcox
Patel Kamm & Eleanor MacDonald Jon Wilcox
James Keelaghan Jack Williams
Barbara Kessler Peter Yarrow
Tom Kimmel
// Even half of that group would be worth seeing. [BP]
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Subject: Ann Arbor stuff (no Nanci)
From: Halesbop@aol.com
Hi all,
I know some Nancinetters are planning on attending the Ann Arbor Folk
Festival next weekend and would like to remind any that might be "on the
fence" about the Jan. 30 event that tickets are still available. Emmylou
headlines and there are 10 acts altogether. For more info go to the Ark
homepage http://www.a2ark.org/ or I can probably answer some questions.
Also, there are some other upcoming shows at the Ark that may be of
interest to this list. They are running a "Take A Chance Tuesdays" series of
FREE shows in the months ahead. The first one is next week, Jan. 26 with the
Folk Monty (some may be familiar with their zany antics, singing and quality
musicianship from the Big Orange Tarp at Rocky Mtn. Folks Fest). Then on Feb.
23 it's Stacey Earle and, perhaps most exciting of all, on March 23 "the
Campbells"--Sara Elizabeth and Kate--are co-billed!!
The Ark's site has the schedules for January and Feb. up now, but also
look for Lucy Kaplansky, Carrie Newcomer, Rosalie Sorrels and Karen Savoca
playing shows there in March.
See ya at the Folk Festival?
Steve
// Isn't Sara Elizabeth Campbell a long-time NanciNetter?
// You out there, Sara?
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Subject: blue moons and cradles on interstates
From: "jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>
> [OIVBM} has some true Nanci
> greats -- like Love Is a Hard Waltz, Ballad of Robin Winter-Smith, Mary &
> Omie, and the title song.
i agree that this album is one of the best! i picked it up last summer
for #4.99 in a great record store in byres road, west end of glasgow
(BTW, right now the big deal is *flyer* for #4.99, might go and buy it
again just to have two copies :)
> I think I'll go put it on right now!
think i might join you in that, hey why don't we all play OIAVBM
tonight??? it could be a tribute to the blue moon and the stars that
inspire us...
while i'm here i might as well break that rule!! *cradle of the
interstate* is amazing. i really, really love that song, 'specially
since it was sent to me by a NNer friend :) it also qualified to go on
my compilation tape of songs mentioning the word *coffee*, the first
time i ever heard aNGel sing that word.
luv jenny
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