// Lucinda Williams, and more blue moon discussions, including 
// the definitive blue moon report from Mr. Lippert.
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Music By Candlelight
   From: jalvo@cloud9.net (John Alvord)

>From: Virginia (ginrosej@bellsouth.net>
>Last week I checked The NanciNet Top 10 at Sue Peete's site, and purchased
>two of the three top ten I didn't already have through Sue's Amazon.com
>link. It felt good to be able to get something I intended to buy anyway,
>and help a great cause too. While at Sue's site, I checked out her Music By
>Candlelight page, http://gate.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight/ .
>Here one can purchase used (and sometimes new) CD's, and since these CD's
>are donated, 100% of the cost of the CD goes to raise funds to help defray
>Maggie's (Mary Margaret's) transplant-related expenses. 

Just a note about Music By Candlelight. One of my ideas when I started
this was that we all have CDs gathering dust which we will never
listen to again... Maybe Prince and KC & Sunshine Band have just
dropped off your musical radar. When you donate CDs to Sue, you get a
good feeling that music gets a chance to be heard again by someone who
loves it. Music should live! You also get a form proving you donated
the PCs to this non-profit organization, so when Tax time rolls around
the bite will be a bit smaller.

Sue Peete also has a deal with a local CD shop. From time to time she
drops around and they trade CDs. Rather a neat idea. The CD shop gets
more salable (for them) CDs like Spice Girls and MBC gets the singer
songwriters we all love.

In the latest shipment, I included some video tapes. Pretty soon you
can get some classic movies cheap.

John Alvord
Music, Management, Poetry and more...
  http://www.candlelist.org/kuilema
  Cheap CDs @ http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight


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Subject: NN: Nanci "stuff"
   From: kbean@ugcorp.com

Hey guys!
Two good friends of mine are going to Galveston & Houston in the next
couple of weeks & I was wondering if anyone could let me know where some
good places are that they can pick up some Nanci paraphernalia for me.  I
would really appreciate any tips,,,I own nothing but her cd's & I would
love to get my hands on some videos, books, live cd's.....

Thanks,,
Keana B


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Subject: NN: Nanci "stuff"
   From: kbean@ugcorp.com

Hey guys!
Two good friends of mine are going to Galveston & Houston in the next
couple of weeks & I was wondering if anyone could let me know where some
good places are that they can pick up some Nanci paraphernalia for me.  I
would really appreciate any tips,,,I own nothing but her cd's & I would
love to get my hands on some videos, books, live cd's.....

Thanks,,
Keana B


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Subject: Re: NN: Blue Moons
   From: odddduck@deltanet.com (Bill Lukesh)

>Rare `blue moon' coming twice in 3 months
>The blue moons are coming.
>The first can be seen Sunday night, the second on March 31.
>
>Neither will be blue, of course, but when two full moons occur in one 
>month, the second has come to be called a blue moon.

I always find the need to interject the old German superstition at some
point of this discussion.   They don't really talk about the blue moon
itself, but they  consider a year with 13 full moons unlucky. Since there's
no full moon in Feb, this year is still a 'year of thirteen moons'.
Fassbinder  titled his  most personal film 'In a year of thirteen Moons'. I
get in trouble when I recommend this film. However, I will say its just one
of the five films I own a video tape copy of.
Bilboa


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Subject: Re: NN: Blue Moons
   From: susan bond (su.b@sk.sympatico.ca>

Moons do a lot to inspire; blue, harvest, full, new, or otherwise. Like
anything, I suppose, they can draw out the romantic, the skeptic, the
superstitious, the scientific. It'd be interesting to know the roots of the
term "lunacy".  My synonym dictionary gives some interesting alternatives
for "lunacy", and "lunatic". It goes on for most of a page, so I won't
quote them (that *would* be lunatic...), but some of the interesting ones
have to do with distance, or captivation:  out of one's head, far gone, not
all there, in outer space, in orbit, posessed, groundless, distracted,
etc. etc....  My point being that the moon and its influence surely isn't
an absolute thing, but it's always interesting to see what different
artists will do with it. There was a low budget British movie in the
seventies called The Moon Over the Alley which was a black and white
musical about people living in London's streets. If I could get my hands on
a copy of that I'd love to see it again. I have a fond memory of a bag
lady, poor but happy, singing the title song as she wandered down a dark,
damp street....
sb


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Subject: NN: Kerrville
   From: Stanley Zucker (szucker@wavenet.com>

Does anyone know the dates of this year's Kerrville Festival ?

// you can have all your Kerrville questions answered
// by checking out http://www.kerrville-music.com/

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Subject: NN: More Lucinda/Patty tour dates
   From: Cynthia Courtney (courtney@mpi.com>

Here is a complete list (for now) of the Lucinda Williams/Patty Griffin
shows; it's possible that more might be added:

1/29 - New Your, NY - Irving Plaza (---- new show added
1/30 - Englewood, NY (or NJ?) - John Harms Ctr. for the Arts
2/2 - St. Louis, MO - Mississippi Nights
2/3 - Madison, WI - Barrymore Theater
2/4 - Des Moines, IA - Hoyt Sherman Place
2/6 - Denver, CO - Ogden Theatre
2/8 - Bozeman, MT - Emerson Cultural Ctr.
2/9 - Missoula, MT - University Theater, Univ. of MT
2/10 - Boise, ID - Doubletree Ballroom
2/12 - Vancouver, BC, Canada - Vogue Theatre
2/24 - Los Angeles - House Of Blues (---- date confirmed
2/26 - Solana Beach, CA - Belly Up Tavern
2/27 - Santa Ana, CA - Galazy Concert Theater
3/1 - Portland, OR - La Luna Lounge
3/2 - Seattle, WA -  King Cat Theatre
3/4 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
3/5 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall



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Subject: Re: NN: More Lucinda/Patty tour dates
   From: dan.gerson@McKesson.com

>3/4 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music
>Hall 3/5 - San Francisco, CA - Great American
>Music Hall

I thought this sounded too good to be true. Alas it is. I think
Lucinda is probably just too big to play at one of the two best venues
on the face of the planet (and I'll stand on The Bottom Line's coffee
table and shout that in my cowboy boots!).

Unfortunately those dates are probably at the Fillmore, an okay venue
in S.F. but nowhere near as great, personal, and soul nurturingly
intimate as the GAMH.

Dan 'I'm still trying to fade over John Hiatt canceling at the GAMH'
     G.


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Subject: Re: NN: More Lucinda/Patty tour dates
   From: Susan Krauss (skrauss@hooked.net>

>Here is a complete list (for now) of the Lucinda Williams/Patty Griffin
>shows; it's possible that more might be added:
>3/4 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
>3/5 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall

This is incorrect.  They're playing 3/4 & 3/5 at the Fillmore.  Last time
Lucinda played there she didn't come on until 11PM.  I'm getting too old
for that, unfortunately, so I'll be skipping these shows.

susan
 
mailto:skrauss@hooked.net


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Subject: NN: 1999 Old Settlers Music Festival
   From: KFYI@aol.com

Dear Nanci Netters,

If you would like to read about the origins of and this year's tentative line
up of artists appearing at the Old Settlers Music Festival in Round Rock,
Texas for this year, go to:

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/2737/festival.html

Adios,
Paul Johnston


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Subject: NN: any ideas?? no nanci
   From: Jenny Jones (strangelittlestar@yahoo.com>

hi guys, 
this is totally off-topic, but i just let my friend hear nanci and she
loved it!!!! 
she brought out a tape for me to hear, that she really loves. she
wants to buy the cd, but can't remember the name of the singer, the
song's called 'what colour is the wind?' and her dad thinks the
singer's first name is kenny. any ideas???
well, there's (nearly) a blue moon shining,
s'later
luv jenny



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Subject: NN: re:thanks to all
   From: Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com>

Hi Gang--

I just want to thank everyone for their responses to
my questions on my Martin D-18 and opinions given on
the James Hooker CD and the Wood & Steel CDs.  So far
I've received all positive input on Hooker, but mixed
(mostly negative) on the Wood & Steel albums.

I don't know if I mentioned it before, but we need to
talk Lee Satterfield into recording a CD of her songs.

Any ideas on how to persuade her?

Bob Riegner


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Subject: NN: Just Once
   From: kenn lippert (lippert@fyi.net>

Hey all,

I know this is a huge copyright infringement, but hey, its for art's sake
and it is completely out of the field of the intended audience.  Besides,
maybe a few of you will find this interesting enough to pick up the
magazine and accidentally be started in a hobby which I love as dearly as
Nanci's or Kate's music.  Please pardon the strange hyphenation, I used 10
year old OCR software to scan this in.  (Can you imagine any 10 year old
software running under Windows 95?)

kenn "whatever the color, its still beautiful" lippert

>From the March 1999 "Sky and Telescope"

ONCE IN A BLUE MOON
 BY PHILIP HISCOCK

THIS YEAR, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD BY NOW, WE ARE HAVING blue Moons. Two,
in fact. If you live in North America or Europe, a pair of full Moons
occurs in January and then another pair in March. In other parts of the
world the phenomenon happens in April or May. While everybody experiences
the Moon's fullness at the same time, our local clocks differ, and this
sometimes pushes the event into the previous or next month. "According to
old folklore," some people say, the second full Moon in a calendar month is
called a "blue Moon." They go on to explain that this is the origin of the
expression "once in a blue Moon." But it isn't true! The term "blue Moon"
has been around a long time, well over 400 years, but its calendrical
meaning has become widespread only in the last 20 years. In fact, the very
earliest uses of the term were remarkably like saying the Moon is made of
green cheese. Both were obvious absurdities, about which there could be no
doubt. "He would argue the Moon was blue" was taken by the average person
of the 16th century as we take "He'd argue that black is white." The
concept that a blue Moon was absurd (the first meaning) led eventually to a
second meaning, that of "never." The statement "I'll marry you, m'lady,
when the Moon is blue!" would not have been taken as a betrothal in the
18th century. But there are also historical examples of the Moon actually
turning blue. That's the third meaning the Moon appearing blue in the sky.
When the Indonesian volcano Krakatoa ex- ploded in 1883, its dust turned
sunsets green and the Moon blue all around the world for the best part of
two years. In 1927, the Indian monsoons were late arriving and the
extra-long dry season blew up enough dust for a blue Moon. And Moons in
northeastern North America turned blue in 1951 when huge forest fires in
western Canada threw smoke particles up into the sky. So, by the mid-19th
century, it was clear that visibly blue Moons, though rare, did happen from
time to time - whence the phrase "once in a blue Moon." It meant then
exactly what it means today, a fairly infrequent event, not quite regular
enough to pinpoint. That's meaning number four, and today it is still the
main one. But meaning is a slippery substance, and I know of a half dozen
songs that use "blue Moon" as a symbol of sadness and loneliness. The poor
crooner's Moon often turns to gold when he gets his love at the end of the
song. That's meaning number five: check your old Elvis Presley or Bill
Monroe records for more information. And did I mention a slinky blue liquid
in a cocktail glass, one that requires curacao, gin, and perhaps a twist of
lemon? That's number six. Finally we arrive at the most recent meaning of
all, the second full Moon in a month. I first heard it in 1988. At the end
of May that year, when a second full Moon occurred, radio stations and
newspapers everywhere carried an item on this bit of "old folklore," as
they called it, drawing on an international wire story. Across North
America the blue Moon caught the public's imagination. In the following
months, restaurants, clothing stores, and bookstores opened under the name
"Blue Moon." An artist I know did a set of night landscapes that month; he
calls them his Blue Moon series. At the Memorial University of Newfoundland
Follclore & Language Archive we get calls from all over, from people
wondering about bits of folldore. And that month we got calls about blue
Moons. I searched high and low for an earlier example of this usage, or any
other name for two full Moons in a single calendar month. But the search
was in vain-this meaning seemed to have no history. I did find information
on the other meanings of "blue Moon," but not this one, number seven. Then
in December 1990, with another "blue Moon" coming on, I started getting
more calls and decided to write about it the local newspaper. I searched
harder this time, exhausting the usual sources: specialized dictionaries,
indexes of provebial sayings, and regional collections of folklore. A
brand-new edition of the huge Oxford English Dictionary had recently come
out, but even it omitted this particular meaning. "Blue Moon" seemed to be
a truly modern piece of folklore, masquerading as something old. Then my
brother-in-law reminded me that the term was a question in one of the
Trivial Pursuit boxes, the Genus II edition published in 1986. I hope the
manufacturer of this game is still the fine company for scholars it was
then. They had kept all their files and were able to tell me their source
ad been a children's book published the previous year, The Kids' World
Almanac of Records and Facts (New York, 1985: World Almanac Publications).
Where the authors, Margo McLoone-Basta and Alice Siegel, got it, no one
seemed to know. Used in this way, the term was certainly very, very local
before they included it in their book. It seemed never to have been written
down before. Of course, authors sometimes"invent" information to protect
themselves against pla- giarists. Well, if that were the case they'd
already lost, because the new "blue Moon" almost immediately entered the
folklore of the modern world. It became as living a meaning as any of its
predecessors.

During my search it hadn't occurred to me that radio might have played a
role. My newspaper column had just gone to the printer when I got a copy of
the December 1990 Astronomy. There, Deborah Byrd mentioned the term coming
from a March 1946 article in Sky & Telescope (page 3). Contacting her, I
found out she had read it for her National Public Radio program, Star Date,
in late January 1980. No doubt that's where the authors of the children's
almanac heard it. Clearly, Byrd's radio broadcast got the recent "blue
Moon" ball rolling. By the way, the 1946 note, written by J. Hugh Pruett,
sends the reader back to a question-and-answer column in Sky & & Telescope
for July 1943 (page 17). Its compiler, L. J. Lafleur, quoted the 1937 Maine
Farmers' Almanac. And there the trail goes cold: I've never been able to
find an earlier trace. If a reader has any other pre-1943 reference to a
calendrical "blue Moon," please tell me about it. As they were 56 years
ago, Sky & Telescope readers will be the first to know! Since 1990 I've
been in touch with hundreds of people suggesting the origin of meaning
number seven. Two possibilities stand out, but neither has the evidence
needed to nail it down. lloth are still open. One comes from a family who
emigrated from Czechoslovakia to the United States three generations ago. A
member of the family told me her grandparents used the term this way, and
she thought they were translating from their native lan- guage, Czech. But
I've checked with several native speakers of of Czech and found nothing
like "blue Moon."

Secondly, an e-mail correspondent told me several years ago that calendar
printers would always print a full Moon in red except when it was the
second one in a month; then it would be printed in blue! That sounded
wonderfully plausible- until I looked at older calendars and found none
that were so. Our new blue Moon has something of the modern times in it, a
technical aspect that most of the earlier meanings lacked. Perhaps that's
why it caught on so quickly. It appeals to our modern sensibilities,
including our desire to have plausible origins. But any folklorist will
tell you that plausibility is the mantle that folklore wears to sneak
through history's lines. "Old folklore" it is not, but real folklore it is.
Given its present popularity, it may last a long time.

PHILIP HISCOCK is Archivist at the Folklore & Language Archive, Memorial
University of Newfoundland. E-mail: philip@morgan.ucs. mun.ca. This artide
is an update of earlier versions that appeared in the Planetarian (December
1993) and Griffith Observer (July 1996).


( Here is one Side bar to the article>

Time Line: Blue Moon As
Second Full Moon in a Month

Before 1930. Maybe a custom of calendar
printers; maybe a Czech tradition.

1937. An obscure Maine Farmers'Almanac uses
term "blue Moon" for certain full Moons (though
not for the second one in a given month).

1943. L. J. Lafleur quotes the Maine almanac in a
Sky & Telescope quiz column.

1946. Citing Lafleur's column and the almanac, J.
Hugh Pruett in Sky & Telescope gives the second-full-
Moon interpretation.

January 1980. Deborah Byrd used it in her National
Public Radio program, Star Date, the widest exposure
of the new meaning so far.

1985. The Kids' WorldAlmanac spreads meaning further.

1986.1ncluded in Trivial Pursuit.

May 1988. International press coverage piques the pub-
lic's interest; the term receives its greatest exposure ever.

December 1990. The decade of the 1980s ends on a New
Year's Eve blue Moon.

Some Folk Etymologies
(One of which may be true!)

1. From French, borrowed and transformed into English:
"la double lune" ~ "double lune" ~ "de bluh loon" ~ "the
blue Moon."

2. From an unattested Czech term.

3. From an unattested calendar printers~ tradition. ~.l

4. Association with Bill Monroe's Blue Moon of Ken-
tucky. This song wasn~t recorded until 1947.

Some Songs with Blue Moons

Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Hart's Blue Moon, 1934,
popularized by Elvis Presley and others.

Bill Monroe, Blue Moon of Kentucky, 1944.

Wiley Walker and Gene Sullivan's When My Blue Moon
Turns to Gold Again, sung by Eddy Arnold (among
others).

Roseanne Cash, Blue Moon with Heartache, 1982.

Nanci Griffith, Once in a Very Blue Moon, 1984.

Toby Keith, Does That Blue Moon Ever Shine on
You? 1987.

Whiskey Rose, Blue Moon Over Heaven, 1998.
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| kenn lippert
| lippert@fyi.net
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| "Reach me down my Tycho Brahe,  I would know him when we meet...
|  Though my soul may set in darkness, it will rise in perfect light;
|  I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night."
|                                             -Sarah Williams
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