// Discussion on diverse Nanci disks, plans for Wolf Trap,
// a little on Kate Rusby, more words to live by...
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: NN'ers going to Wolf Trap
   From: David Lidz (dlidz@legstrat.com>

Some of us in the DC area have talked about getting together before Wolf Trap,
June 30. I have set up a little yahoo club specifically to foster discussion
and organization of such an awesome gig. So, if yer goin' and would like to
join us, please check out:

	http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/sjg?.k=9913756d6eaeg4yG

Thanks,
David Lidz

PS:  Have you mailed me your survey answers???

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Subject: NN: UPOTooplus
   From: James_Troiano@umit.maine.edu (James Troiano)

Hi folks: I just received my copy of UPOToo and want to thank everyone
involved  from the artists to those who copied it and organized. I
loved hearing these versions of Nanci's songs by fellow followers of
our hero. It is a a beautiful expression of our appreciation for this
great woman's music. Will she get a copy? I believe that she would love
it.         

Regarding favorite verse: i love the discussion becuse I
have also share many of the sentiments expressed by fans. Often Nanci's
words of wisdom pop out between my wife in 

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Subject: NN: The Road to Aberdeen
   From: "Diane B. Wilkes" (diwilkes@erols.com>

snownobile@earthlink.net wrote:
>Now that I am home, I am searching for TRTA,  and can not find it.
>I see that it is listed on the MCA years, but mine does not have it.  I
>know this must have been discussed before, but, where can I find it?

TRTA is on the British import of her Best of cd...It has another song
unreleased in the US (Tumble and Fall)...

Diane
Diane Wilkes
http://www.oldgreycat.com

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Subject: Re: NN: The Road to Aberdeen
   From: "Tracy Applebaum" (poohbear512@hotmail.com>

Another obnoxious FAQ-thanks for putting up with me so well.  Is there a way 
to get the British version of the MCA Years here in America? Hearing 
everyone rave about how great the song is really makes me need to get the CD 
if at all possible.

Thank yew,

Tracy

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Subject: NN: MCA British Edition
   From: snownobile@earthlink.net

I'm with Tracy, where can we get this version?  I checked all my regular
places I purchase cd's today, and none of them list this version.  Did
she by chance cover this song when she was on anyone else's albums, if
we can not find hers?

    Kathy

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Subject: Re: NN: The Road to Aberdeen
   From: Village Records (musicvil@gvi.net>

> Is there a way
> to get the British version of the MCA Years here in America? 
 
Might be tough, it has been out of print for several years.  Also, be
warned, a package identical to the US version, without the extra tracks,
is available throughout the rest of Europe.  UK is the only version with
the extra songs.  Simply buying an import version will not get you
there.  

I have seen some on ebay occasionally in the $40 plus range.

Bill Lavery
http://villagerecords.com/

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Subject: NN: The Best Of Nanci Griffith
   From: GV (gvallest@online.no>

There are as Bill said similar issues of this available in Europe.

The UK issue (19 tracks), with Tumble And Fall and Road To Aberdeen is entitled
'The Best Of Nanci Griffith'. Catalog number MCD 10966.

The other one (18 tracks), without these two tracks (and some other different
tracks as well) is entitled 
'The MCA Years - A Retrospective'. Catalog number MCD 10914 

Both can still be found in Europe for as low prices as 10$ for the 'Best Of',
and 12$ for 'The MCA Years'. The normal CD price in this country is approx. 22$

Hope this helps.

Georg

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Subject: Re: NN: The Best Of Nanci Griffith
   From: CADLAC@aol.com

Hi Georg
I was wondering if you might have a URL for a UK online CD store one might 
try to order the CDs you mentioned. I have tried to find one but all I can 
come up with is US sites. Thanks for your help.
Kirk
Franktown, Colorado USA

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Subject: Re: NN: The Best Of Nanci Griffith
   From: bateman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

I recently tried to order the UK "Best of..." CD from www.cdparadise.com,
a W.H. Smith online site in the UK. Even though they list the CD, they
reported that it is no longer available and cancelled the order. I also
checked on www.hmv.co.uk and they don't list the CD at all.

On another note, does anyone know of a good record/CD store (new and/or
used) in Dublin, Ireland? Particularly one that has a good folk section.
My daughter is in Ireland in June and I'd like to send her with a wish
list. Thanks for any help on this.

Incidentally, Nanci is appearing at the Edmonton Folk Festival on August
8, her first time in Canada since 1990 (when she had to cancel her
appearance in Edmonton). Never having seen her in concert, I'm very
excited needless to say.

Rob Bateman
Edmonton, Alberta

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Subject: Re: NN: To Live By Deadline
   From: Paul Larsen (paul@davisnet.net>

"Turn around and you're tiny, 
Turn around and you're grown,
Turn around and you're a young wife
With babes of your own."

I know that the words are not Nanci's, but every
time I hear them, I think of my two year old
daughter and the eyes get a bit moist.  One of my
older friends says that if I am such a basket case
now, she doesn't want to be around me when
Elizabeth actually gets older.  I like this song,
though, because it reminds me to enjoy the time I
have with her (and her two brothers) now while I
can because these days won't last forever...

Paul "How exactly does one diem a carp?" Larsen

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Subject: NN: Fat "trash" and other such trash
   From: Patti Schrull (gblauser@sover.net>

Well, here we go again! ;-) Responding to this thread a little late,
because of an erroneous disconnect from my server...(I now have a free
month :-) I have a question regarding the "fat man" discussion...first of
all, can we ever assume to know what a writer meant by a song, a line, or a
word in a song? I don't feel confident in doing so. I am thinking that we
are all just having a fun discussion and aren't really judging anyone for
the assumed judgement of another? Right, I thought so! :-)

With that said, I will return to my original question. I am wondering why
some people are so much more offended by the adjective "fat" than they are
by the adjective "skinny". Is the word "fat" more judgemental, and the word
"skinny" just descriptive? I somehow don't think it is meant to be.
However, with society ever pointing to the joy, happiness and success to be
had exclusively by those possessing the 
ideal slender body weight, I wonder not at the hang up we have with the
word "fat". Being "fat", for those that fall into the trap is admitting
defeat, failure and worse, a life of no worth! If you ask me, that is where
the "trash" in all this is...Are we not as a world continuously falling
into the traps of deception, whether it be judging a person or a people by
their color, weight, religious beliefs, income level, beauty or lack
thereof? I have my own personal interpretation of the songs I like, and for
me this is what I hear in the song "Hard Life". When we fall into the lies,
we make life hard, for us and all those around us.

Okay, that is enough exercise for my brain today!!! Remembering the purpose
of this holiday, while celebrating the beginning of my favorite time of the
year - Happy Summer Everybody!

patti

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Subject: NN: Re: Fat "trash" and other such trash
   From: "ChuckD" (klem@ruralnet2.com>

I agree with Patti......only from a side angle!  I believe that a song or
story can often times and does have different meanings to each member of the
audience.  To break it down into hidden or covert ideas lurking behind the
words would still only result in multiple conclusions based on the audience
members intrepretation once again.  So why not just enjoy - or not- for ones
own self?

Also from the side view......yes we can de-compose the words of a song into
nothing but politically correct verses!  My guess is that we would end up
with an instrumental when we got done - with everyones ideas on what is or
is not correct placed into action!

For me....I like "It's a Hard Life" just like it is - I gather from it what
I wish and make that a part of me!

Chuck "Anyone seen my little dog Toto?" Duffield
Subject: NN: Nanci in online Rolling Stone
   From: "Mark Gardner" (markdgardner@mindspring.com>

Don't know if this has been posted to the list before, but the online
"Rolling Stone" site has a pretty decent writeup and bio on Nanci. The
Record Guide section is actually quite insightful, although it looks like it
was written around 1992. Point your browser at
	http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/artists/text/guide.asp?afl=&LookUpString=1036

Thanks all for the concert reviews. Keep 'em coming! Mundane details are
welcome as far as I'm concerned.

Mark Gardner
Louisville, CO

// that URL was too long for one line, so double clicking it won't
// take you to it -- copy both lines as one, with no break between
// "text/" and "guide."  [BP]

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci in online Rolling Stone
   From: "comp" (mikebarrett@comp.netlineuk.net>

Yes, nice few pages, and a couple of very good quality pictures to print
off.  Another good site that I found a few weeks back is:-
     www.reading.u-net.com/ng/ng10.htm
It's a long and interesting autobiographical piece from 1995. If everyone
already knows about it, then forgive me, but it was new to me!

Mike Barrett

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Subject: NN: Significant songs
   From: "Donna Little" (dlittle032@worldnet.att.net>

> I was wondering what specific Nanci song might have
> turned people into fans or prompted them to buy their first NG album?

For those of you who have heard this story many years ago when I first
joined NNet, BBWMTD (Before Bill was Married to DawnMarie) ::grins::,
forgive me repeating it.  After Somer's comments about her daughter and
having just met her mom this weekend (what a great woman your mom is
Somer!),  I feel like coming out of lurkdom.
I had heard "Love at the Five and Dime" and liked the song.  But it was
"It's a Hard Life" that truly impacted me.  Enough so that when I was
pregnant I'd listen to it to help to remind me how to raise this child when
he/she arrived.  And so when he came, I named him from the song, Seamus.
When he hears his song, he says, "This is MY song huh?" We are now talking
about why I chose his name and why the song is important.  It's a story that
is becoming part of his HIS-STORY.
Kenn thank you for your wonderful concert report, it makes up for how much
you were missed on my most recent road trip.
Thanks to everyone who post here, you sure make me smile often enough.
Donna

Ps Hellos to Gin and Jen!

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Subject: NN: Initiation: - circa 1987 and david lidz questionnaire
   From: "C.K.GREW" (C.K.GREW@btinternet.com>

In response to mike barrett, my love affair with Nanci began in about 1987
when I went to see irish singer Mary Coughlan at The Mean Fidler in
Harlesden,  North London.  I had cycled part of the way there and having
arrived I waited with pint of Guinnes in hand for Mary's set to begin.

The Mean Fidler is a small intimate Irish style pub and the room was packed.
I heard a track which was haunting and beautiful, with the most
distinguishable voice.  I was caught and the dj announced later that it was
by Nanci Griffith.  I did not know what the track was called but I started
to buy Nanci's albums, Little Love Affairs being the first.  I was searching
for that track I had heard.  After having purchased everything I could get
my hands on I finally recognised it and tracked it down so to speak ('Scuse
the pun) - Lone Star State of Mind on her Storms album.

In answer to question 13 (I think that's the right one) - undoubtedly Gulf
Coast Highway.

London has been experiencing the most extraordinary weather.  Extremely hot
sunny days followed by grey, sultry, storm ridden days.  Electrical storms
of immense force.  Strange times indeed.

Caroline

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci rarities on ebay
   From: "comp" (mikebarrett@comp.netlineuk.net>

Interesting stuff up for auction. The B F Deal Sampler is sealed and mint!
Where's it been for the last twenty years?!  And the listed "price" is
$29.99; wouldn't it be nice to think of picking it up for that.....but in
the real world, what's it going to go for?
I seem to recall that the AAA Sampler went for something like $700 a little
while back - so the B F Deal has got to be over a thousand hasn't it?
Yours in the despairing knowledge that I'll never own it,

Mike Barrett

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci rarities on ebay
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

   Actually, the B.F. Deal Sampler surprisingly turns up in sealed condition
more often than you might think.  Last year the same dealer sold six of them
(all sealed) for $50 each but not through ebay.  Guess he's now learned
where the big money is and you can't blam,e him for selling it for what
someone is willing to pay!  The AAA Flyer at $700 was a fluke with two deep
pocket bidders having a battle against each other.  Just a week ago the same
disc went for $52 on ebay.  I just picked one up for $25 (not on ebay)...
anyone want to give me $700 for it ;-)
   Be aware that if you are patient you can find just about any item for a
reasonable price but probably not on ebay.  I'll admit to having gotten a
few bargains there (but they seem to be rare) and I've paid a lot more than
I really should've for a few items also.  On ebay there is always going to
be stiffer competition for an item so the price is likely to be high. For
the most part ebay is a seller's market.  I don't want to sound overly
negative as I am an ebayoholic myself.  
   In a local shop I found two Nanci items last week that were missing from
my collection.  The total cost was $12, so bargains are still out there.
I've helped a few Nancinetters find items and they in turn have found some
goodies for me.  I prefer this kind of trading with other fans of the
music... and there are some dealers out there that sell items at very fair
set prices.  Part of the thrill of collecting is to hunt down these sources.
If I could find the ultimate collectible store and order everything I wanted
instantly, I don't think things would be nearly as fun... plus I'd be very
broke... err that is even more broke than I am now!

Mike "make me an offer" Chesman

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Nanci rarities on ebay
   From: "comp" (mikebarrett@comp.netlineuk.net>

Thanks for the information! I am relieved to find that I do not necessarily
have to abandon all my hopes!  And yes, you are quite right about searching
out bargains. I see that ebay are listing the Time of Inconvenience/Interview
promo at $75....I got a mint copy of that very item for $16 only a couple 
of weeks back...

Mike Barrett

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Subject: NN: They sure look alike
   From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

I'm sitting here looking at the inside liner picture of Leslie Smith
on the CD "These Things Wrapped" and at the picture of Lynn Miles'
on the front of the CD "Night in a Strange Town". They could be twins.
Same mouth, eyes, nose, eyebrows, and cheekbones (but different earrings). 
Leslie hails from PA, and Lynn Miles is Canadian. Anyone else have these
two CDs?

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Subject: NN: the next big thing?
   From: "David Dwyer" (dadwyer@revealed.net>

I got ahold of an album by Kate Rusby (with Kathryn Roberts)..in reading 
some of the reviews..she mentions that she likes to sing mostly trad or 
Nanci Griffith, but is avoiding singing Nanci because she doesn't want to 
screw it up :)   ..

	http://www.purerecords.demon.co.uk/index.htm

Anybody else on either side of the pond familiar with Kate? What a 
gorgeous, sultry voice!

Dave Dwyer
http://home.revealed.net/ddwyer

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Subject: Re: NN: the next big thing?
   From: bateman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

David:

Kate Rusby is fabulous. She has a new CD, "Sleepless" which is not yet
available in North America. It's a wonderful CD, every bit as good as her
first solo effort, "Hourglass". Where did you read the bit about Kate and
Nanci Griffith? On "Sleepless", Kate does a really nice cover of Iris
Dement's "Our Town". I've often thought she should try one of Nanci's
songs...

Rob Bateman

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Subject: Re: NN: the next big thing?
   From: Dave Dwyer (dadwyer@revealed.net>

Rob Bateman posted...

>Where did you read the bit about Kate and
>Nanci Griffith? 

from http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/inart340.htm  notice the repeated spelling mistakes...one would think a folkmusic website would know the correct spelling of her last name:)

......."Okay, let's move on now to Kate the soloist. Have you any musical 
influences, any personal heroes?
Yes, I have.....I also like a female American singer called Nanci 
Griffiths. I've been a fan of hers for about five years and the reason I 
got into her is actually a big secret! (Kate, at this point, gets rather 
pink.) It's because I had my eye on a boy that I'd fancied for ages and 
somebody told me that he liked Nanci Griffiths, so I went to one of my 
friends and said, 'Have you got any Nanci Griffiths tapes I can listen 
to?', so next time I saw him I could say, 'I hear you're into Nanci 
Griffiths, so am I ...', and I was lying!"

and later ..." I've not been that inspired by any contemporary stuff 
really, apart from Nanci Griffiths and I don't want to do any of hers 
'cause I don't want to ruin it so I've really just been doing trad stuff."

Dave Dwyer
http://home.revealed.net/ddwyer

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Subject: NN: Kate Rusby
   From: Zac Tullett (zac_tullett@hotmail.com>

Yes - Kate has got a lovely voice and is a fine musician. Her solo work and 
her work with The Poozies is superb - especially the song about an old 
maid's exploits with the devil in bed - poor guy (if you've heard it you'll 
know what I mean).

Anyway - Kate is on tour soon in the UK, I have the pleasure of being able 
to see her in Exeter on the 19th June I think, the URL above details tour 
dates.

Cheers,

Zac.

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Subject: NN: Nanci
   From: Marcia Elliott (melliott@remc12.k12.mi.us>

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the "Sound Of Loneliness"
CD has the same artwork/picture on the CD itself that appears on the
cover sleeve inside the jewel case. If you know could you let me know, I
would really appreaciate any info. Thanks so much, Marcia

Subject: Re: NN: Nanci
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@mbay.net>

On my copy (KTS 410) that is true (same artwork). john

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci - "Sound Of Loneliness"
   From: Georg Vallestad (gvallest@online.no>

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the "Sound Of
Loneliness"
> CD has the same artwork/picture on the CD itself that appears on the
> cover sleeve inside the jewel case. 

Yes, the original KTS CD have exactly the same picture with Nanci's face as
it appears on the front cover. Is there a different one?

Georg

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci - "Sound Of Loneliness"
   From: GV (gvallest@online.no>

KTS was once located in San Marino, but the company is sold, and have
now a web address in Singapore. They are carrying the same stock as the
'old' KTS, but this is new owners (the rumours say that the factory is 
still in Europe). I think Speed Of Loneliness is available for 22$.
Maybe the CD design has changed? The original cover also have a list
of other available KTS CDs inside, and an order form.

Georg

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Subject: NN: Bleecker Street and Nanci
   From: "David Steere" (dsteere@sil.si.edu>

One should cheer loudly when current singer/songwriters visit great
songs of the past.  We need much more of this.  Nanci set a recent
standard with OTHER VOICES, OTHER ROOMS and OTHER VOICES, TOO.  So, it
is with some regret that I find myself largely disappointed by the
ambitious new release, BLEECKER STREET: GREENWICH VILLAGE IN THE 60'S.
 The  basic problem is that little of interest has been added in these
new interpretations.  Another problem may lie in the rather
unimaginative arrangements.  Generally, the songs on this disk make me
long for the original and/or other older versions.  There are,
however, a couple of notable exceptions:

Jonatha Brooke on Paul Simon's "Bleecker Street" (gorgeous and unusual)

Marshall Crenshaw doing the Byrd's arrangement of Dylan's "My Back
Pages" (exciting, Crenshaw recalls the Dylan phrasing but uses his
own, much better, voice)

Iris DeMent on her "half" of the Loudon Wainwright/DeMent duet of
"Pack Up Your Sorrows" (if only, Iris had sung this alone!)

Cry, Cry, Cry on Tom Paxton's "Last Thing on My Mind" (Of course,
Kaplansky and Shindell and Williams have shown how good they are at
reinterpreting on their "Cry Cry Cry" cd).

The above four artists bring something new and wonderful to the very
familiar, much-loved songs. But, the rest of the performances seem
middling or imitative, at best.  Much less successful are:

Chrissie Hind on Tim Buckley's "Morning Glory"
Curtis Stigers on Tom Rush's "No Regrets"
Ron Sexsmith on Tim Hardin's "Reason to Believe"
Jules Shear on John Sebastian's "Darling Be Home Soon"
Patty Larkin on Fred Neil's "Everybody's Talkin'"
John Cale and Suzanne Vega on Leonard Cohen's "So Long, Marianne"
Paul Brady on Chet Powers' "Let's Get Together"

I wish I'd like this cd more.

David

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