// Hey, we're back!!
// Dawn-Marie and I had a wonderful trip to the Puget Sound area,
// enjoyed the scenery, the seafood, and the celebrations. And we're
// very glad to be home.
// Tonight we start with a concert report, share some sadness, and
// end with some speculative discussions on Jackson Browne...
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Central Park
   From: nannynan@earthling.net

Hello Nanci fans,

I was hoping Mark, or perhaps some other NNetter, who was at the
Body/Mind/Self festival would write about the show, since I'm sure anyone
would do Nanci more justice than I and certainly provide a more coherent
description, but, here goes:

My New Yorker friend Jerry and I met Mark at the Dallas BBQ restaurant on
w. 73rd street ( or is that 72nd street?) at one.  I was disappointed that
no other netters showed up, but we had a nice, and large, meal and Jerry
regaled both of us with his knowledge of New York and Australia, where he
has never been and where Mark was originally from.  Sadly, Jerry couldn't
come to the show because his daughter was performing at Lincoln Center--
her high school's drama group, grandiosely called the "resident theatre
company" was doing a show in one of the small theatres there. Anyhow,
Jerry did escort us through the park to the entrance to the Playfield.
Since I walk with a cane and have to stop every so often (arthritis) I
finally took pity on Mark and said he didn't have to hang back with us so
he went along on his own.

Well. Turns out the Body/Mind/Self Festival is sponsored by General Motors,
Self Magazine and some clothes company I had never heard of were putting
this thing on and the proceeds were to go to breast cancer research.

I had paid the top price for bleacher seats, since the lower price was
listed as "standing room, " but in fact the area between the stage and the
bleachers was filled with plastic chairs, so I never got into the
bleachers.  I half listened to the various speakers while reading a
complementary copy of SELF magazine.  Nanci and the BMO finally came out
around 6 and did an almost hour set.  Started with Flyer, closed with This
Heart.  Nanci said she was proud to do this show because she is a breast
cancer survivor, that because of all the progress that's been made her
cancer was "a diagnosis, not a death sentence."  She said she's survived
thyroid cancer too.  High points included Gulf Coast Highway with James
doing the duet, and Speed of the Sound of Loneliness, and just about
everything else.

After Nanci's set the techies came out and re arranged the mikes and stuff,
and finally these three guys in Red velour suits over black t-shirts came
out, followed by a guy in a blue sequined suit who was Chris Izaak.  I had
heard C.I. on the radio but never backed by a Loud Band,  I left after
their first song.  As I left the concert area I paused to admire a baby and
then a dog, and noticed the man walking out beside me looked like James
Hooker.  Then I realized the person almost behind me, admiring the dog, was
Nanci, and that most of the BMO were leaving Central Park at the same time
I was!
I didn't say anything, and as they walked lots faster than me they soon
disappeared up Fifth Avenue.

Nanci mentioned that the London Symphony album will be out in the fall. And
that Darius Rucker sings a duet with her but I forget on which song.

It was a great show.

Nancy with a Y

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Subject: NN: OFSE
   From: Dennis Ford (chevyford@hotmail.com>

Hello Again!

I was on the list for a couple of years but off for almost a year due to 
equipment problems.  I've been back for the last few months.  It is nice to 
hear (read) people who are as excited about Nanci as I am and even to 
recognize some familiar names and voices.

This message picks up on two recent threads of the conversation  regarding 
introductions to Nanci and the One Fair Summer Evening video.  First, OFSE 
was my real introduction to Nanci and she has been my #1 interest ever 
since.  Previous to this I had seen her video of "I Knew Love," which I 
thought was great and taught me who she was, but this was not enough to get 
me involved, mostly because my marriage was in its last stages before 
divorce.  A few months later OFSE was run on TNN and I taped it and watched 
it continuously during the summer of 1989 while I put my life back together. 
  Nanci helped tremendously in this as I moved on to collect her other 
albums and listen to her songs.

Second, incidental to the above, I had the same experience with poor video 
quality.  I was happy to buy a prerecorded tape without commercials but 
slightly disappointed in the same poor video quality. Still, it is a 
fantastic video.  My only other disappointment is that it does not include 
"The Wing and the Wheel," which is included on the OFSE CD and is my 
favorite version, much more emotional than its original appearance (I forget 
which CD- I'm at work right now.)

It is nice to be back.  Thanks to the information on this list, I was able 
to see Nanci in Boston in the fall of 1997, my first and only time so far.

Dennis "Chevy" Ford
Manchester, NY

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Subject: NN: Recording news
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Having just returned from 9 days in Tennessee I forgot to report that my 
commrade in arms, Jeff, was let loose in Nashville last Wednesday night, 
and wound up in the pub where Pat McInerney works. Pat informed Jeff that 
he had been recording in the studio with Nanci earlier that day. He 
didn't say what they had been working on, so it may have been overdubs on 
the 'orchestral' album, or new material, who knows? 

John "just keeping you informed" Graveling.

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Subject: NN: Favorite quote
   From: ALJ (guerreros@uswest.net>

I hope I didn't miss the cutoff - My favorite spoken Nanci
quote:  "Tell all the people in the lobby waiting for the
opening act - she's here!" - 11/97 in Seattle with The
Crickets.

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Subject: NN: Nanci @ wolf trap:
   From: David Lidz (dlidz@legstrat.com>

So far I've gotten about zero response, at least in the affirmative, about DC
area Nanci fans meeting before the Wolf Trap show.  One respondent pointed out
that the little trick I set up to have us all coordinate through a yahoo club
wasn't working.  If that has been your experience and is why I haven't heard
from you, please e-mail me privately and we'll straighten it out.

Otherwise, I guess I'll just look for the t-shirts, or buttons or something... 

ttfn
David Lidz

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Subject: NN: T-shirts, Telluride, etc...
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Folks,
Could someone please drop me the URL for Shawn Kimbro's page concerning the
Nanci-Net T-shirts, I need his mailing address. It got lost in the shuffle,
as my family and I have just returned from southern California where we
attended my sister's funeral. She was 52, died of cancer, so it's
appropriate that Shawn is donating part of the proceeds to the American
Cancer Society, not only for Nanci's sake but for others who are touched by
this terrible disease.
On a lighter note, any Nanci-Netters planning to be in Telluride next
weekend? My wife and I will be there, we'd like to know if there's a place
that NN's congregate. 
Thanks much.

Roman
Your friendly librarian

Favorite N line (these days)
 "Shut it down and call this road a day"

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Subject: NN: RE: T-shirts, Telluride, etc...
   From: Susan Chisom (Susan.Chisom@JWHOMES.com>

My most heartfelt sympathies.  My Aunt (and Godmother!) also died from
cancer this year (Jan 19).  While she was ill, I found myself listening to
"Blue Roses from the Moon" often.  It seemed to remind me of her somehow and
I always meant to send her a copy (sigh).  The song that really called her
to mind was "St Teresa of Avila", for she was a devout Catholic and a great
admirer of the saint.  What seems to be a recurring idea of Nanci's of "A
Light Beyond These Woods" gave me solace then, but I haven't been able to
listen to it since she died without crying helplessly and find it more
poignant than ever.

Cancer is truly a terrible and devastating disease and I wouldn't wish it on
my worst enemies.  Any way we can help in the battle to find a cure is
worthwhile.

All the best,
Susan

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Subject: NN: RE: RE: T-shirts, Telluride, etc...
   From: "Davis, Kay @ Nashville" (KDavis@cbrichardellis.com>

My sympathies as well.  I also lost a dear relative to cancer.  My younger
brother died last July 28th at the age of 31 after a 9 month battle with
neck cancer.  Just a few weeks before he died was the release of OVToo.
James reminded me on the release date that I should get to Best Buy and pick
up my copy.  It was so amazing that he was suffering as he was, but still
remembered when Nanci's new CD would be out. He knew how much I loved her.
He was my music buddy and I miss him dearly.  Just a month after his initial
surgery was our father's 80th birthday.  James and I sang "Gulf Coast
Highway" together for our dad.  It was the last time he was able to sing and
soon after could barely speak since he spent his last months with a trach in
his throat.  "St. Teresa" has also been a comfort for me through this last
year also.   Of course, I find it hard to listen to GCH without thinking and
hurting for my brother - especially when it gets to "..and when he dies he
says he'll catch some blackbird wing and he will fly away to heaven..." 

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Subject: NN: Re: RE: RE: T-shirts, Telluride, etc...
   From: "Sharon Burton-Hardin" (sharonburton@earthlink.net>

Since the first of the year, we have lost my mother - to breast cancer -, my
grandmother - at 98, old age got her -, and my favorite aunt - my mother's
sister to colon cancer. The song that is currently wiping me out is Mary
Chapin Carpenter's Jubilee. "Where the people who love you are waiting, and
they'll wait just as long as you need. They'll look at you and say those
were halcyon days, we're talking about Jubilee..." Forgive the mispellings.

And I thought is was just a nice song until the first of the year when my
mother's family started dropping dead... Now it makes me cry. Every time. I
don't dare hear it around other people. Funny...

sharon

Sharon Burton-Hardin
President of the Inland Empire chapter of the STC
www.iestc.org
Anthrobytes Consulting
www.anthrobytes.com
Check out www.WinHelp.net!
See www.sharonburton.com!

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Subject: NN: Kate Rusby at Crawley festival
   From: Nigel Brown (nigel.brown@rd.bbc.co.uk>

Kate Rusby appears at the Crawley Festival on the 26th June in the theatre
from 17:30 to 19:00.  She has been before as part of the Poozies. See
www.hawth.co.uk/festset.html for details.  Try to see our local groups,
Touchstone and Fair Trade as well.  Same venue as Nanci used on the BRFTM
tour.  If anyone is "changing planes in London" (Gatwick) it is only one
stop on the train.

Nigel B

PS I dreamed last night that Nanci has changed her hair to spiky pink!!!!

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Subject: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: dan.gerson@McKesson.com

     I find this news that Nanci will be doing a songwriter's special with
     Jackson Browne (along with Emmylou and Steve Earle) on December 1st at
     Stanford to be utterly fascinating! I've daydreamed before about these
     two performing together. Mr. Browne is at the top of my musical hero
     list with Nanci and Townes. I've been a wide-eyed fan since "Rock Me
     on the Water" (almost 30 years). I think his "For Everyman" album is
     quintessential singer/songwriter, from the heart and soul material.
     Still moves me when I hear it. I guess it's only logical that they'd
     get together sooner or later.

     I've even gone so far in my musings as to picture the two of them as a
     romantic couple. So compatible in outlook and sensibilities it seems.
     Boy what a gift to the world a child from the 2 of them might be.

     Anyway, Bay Area folks can contact the Stanford ticket office at
     650-725-2787 to get a mailer to order tickets with. They'll go on sale
     in late August. There's also supposed to be the same show the next
     night at Luther Burbank in Santa Rosa (707-546-3600). But so far the
     folks at that ticket office haven't heard anything (I got it from the
     Steve Earle website). Both shows are a benefit for an organization
     that's trying to ban land mines I think.

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

This isn't the first time Nanci and Jackson Browne have performed together.
Back in 1994, the Indigo Girls organized a benefit concert at Georgia's Stone
Mountain Park. They called it Earth Jam, and I imagine they hoped it would
become an annual event. It's hard to understand why it didn't, because it was
a great day of music. The bill included Nanci, Mr. Browne, Chapin, and Carolyn
Aiken. They played mostly acoustic and joined each other on several songs. I'm
glad to see more of these acoustic jam sessions being scheduled.

Hidin' Out in the Georgia Pines-
Wishin' It Would Rain,
Steve Robertson

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: "Mark" (catfan@radiks.net>

> I've even gone so far in my musings as to picture the two of them as
> a romantic couple. So compatible in outlook and sensibilities it
> seems. Boy what a gift to the world a child from the 2 of them might
> be.

Please remember, Nanci doesn't want kids.

Mark

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: "Alan B. Larson" (alanlarson@mindspring.com>

Not wanting to start any trouble here but I just had to comment on this.  I
loved Jackson Browne's early music but since I found out he was a
wife-beater I have been boycotting his music and I surely wouldn't want
Nanci to be involved with someone who may inflict physical violence on her.

Just my humble opinion.

Alan

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: kenn lippert (lippert@fyi.net>

>Not wanting to start any trouble here but I just had to comment on this. I 
>loved Jackson Browne's early music but since I found out he was a 
>wife-beater I have been boycotting his music and I surely wouldn't want 
>Nanci to be involved with someone who may inflict physical violence on her. 

Jackson Browne may or may not be a wife beater. He was accused of such by Daryl
Hannah during their breakup, but no formal charges or complaints were ever
filed AFAIK. From what glimpses we have of their "true" personalities through
voluntarism, benefit appearances, etc., I would tend to put more credence in Mr
Browne's view of things. He just seems to be a more honest, straightforward
individual, whereas Ms. Hannah (the few times I have seen her outside a movie),
strikes me as a flake. (And ANYONE on this list who knows me at all knows I am
not just saying that because I am male. There is no greater coward on Earth
than a man who dominates, abuses, or beats his "partner"). Anyway, Mr Browne
has also written a wonderful song called Angels" (I think that's the title)
which seems to speak to this issue. 

Speaking of duets, Jackson Browne helps out Jan Arden on her "Living Under
June" album with some heart-stopping results. 

kenn "too many ()'s" lippert 

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: Brimpls@aol.com

Dear Alan,

I hear what you are saying, but we can still appreciate the music Jackson 
Browne makes without having to know what he has done in his personal life. 
It's just that the information age we live in tells us more than we need to 
know about everyone. I mean, there were terrible things going on in the lives 
of the composers of classical and romantic music in previous centuries, but 
that does not stop me from enjoying their music, right? 

David Crosby is one of my favorite musicians and I have also come to admire 
him as a person for what he has faced and for the changes he's made in his 
life. His music now (with the band CPR) is absolutely the best music he's 
ever made. His lyrics are just about as honest and real as any I've ever 
heard. But years ago when he was using crack cocaine and treating everyone 
around him terribly, he was not someone to admire on a personal level...yet 
look at what he's done with his life (his "new life"). Interesting, too, he 
is friends with Jackson Browne. Couldn't Jackson Browne have come to a place 
in his life where he is no longer abusive to women? And can you admire him 
for that, or does the fact that he was a wife-beater at one time totally 
negate his possible value in your mind? (Also, how do we know definitively 
that he was a wife-beater?)

I wonder too how it is that we think we know that Nanci does not want kids. 
Isn't that kind of a bold statement for any of us to make? I know you didn't 
make that statement and I'm not criticizing what you did write, just offering 
up another view here.

If Eric Taylor was abusive to Nanci in their marriage, does that mean we 
should boycott his songs? No. I don't think so. I just don't.

Hey, has anyone reported back here about the Central Park concert last 
weekend? How was Nanci?

Sabrina in Mpls.

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne 
   From: "Mark" (catfan@radiks.net>

On 12 Jun 99, at 11:04, Brimpls@aol.com wrote:

> I wonder too how it is that we think we know that Nanci does not want
> kids. Isn't that kind of a bold statement for any of us to make? I know
> you didn't make that statement and I'm not criticizing what you did write,
> just offering up another view here.

I wrote that.  

She has stated publicly she doesn't want kids because she doesn't 
think she'd make a good parent, due in part to the way she was 
raised.  Apparently her parents weren't as attentive as they could 
have been.  That's a good enough reason for me!  

As an adult, she should be allowed to make her own decisions, good 
or bad, and we should be able to live with them whether we like them 
or not.  For example I HATE the fact that she smokes, but it's her life 
and they're her lungs.

Mark

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: "Dave Bronsveld" (dbrons@mindspring.com>

>Anyway, Mr Browne has also written a wonderful song called "Angels" 
>( Ithink that's the title) which seems to speak to this issue.

  Thanks Sabrina, and Ken for some thoughtful comments.  You know, when
Jackson Browne released "I'm Alive", it was roundly panned by the music
critics.  I read several reviews at the time, and it was easy to see that
the writers were influenced more by recent news stories than by the
music.  "I'm Alive" is a very good disc, and "Too Many Angels", and
others have the "recovery" message that really strikes a chord with me.
  Dave

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

A couple of questions here. In the liner notes to OVToo, Nanci lists Jackson 
among the many songwriters whose songs she'd like to have recorded. I, for 
one, hope that someday she recants on her strong statements (in Dirty Linen 
and elsewhere) that she'll never do another cd of cover songs. I'm curious 
which song(s) by Jackson Browne she may have been considering. I'd love to 
hear her do "Something Fine". It's probably safe to say, especially in light 
of the recent posts here, that "Ready Or Not" was not a candidate. (Although 
there was a woman folksinger named Jill Phillips who used to play at a 
bar/restaurant I worked at in East Lansing called Lizard's, back in the 70's, 
that sang it pretty well from a female perspective.)

Also, I'm with Sabrina--what about Central Park? Didn't somebody go? We know 
Kenn has set a standard for concert reporting here that can't be matched (g>, 
but don't be shy, please tell us about it! We're waiting...

Steve

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci and Jackson Browne
   From: Brimpls@aol.com

Dear Mark,

Thanks for clarifying about Nanci not wanting kids. The irony, of course, is 
that people who are so wonderfully thoughtful and insightful about their own 
childhoods often make the best parents. But of course we respect her choices. 
I know I do. On the other hand, I have to say that being a parent has brought 
me both the greatest joys and the deepest grief (when my youngest son died); 
sometimes the greatest joys and deepest grief come all at once.

Take care now,
Sabrina

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Subject: NN: JB
   From: irisheyes66@webtv.net (susan gervais)

(((I hear what you are saying, but we can still appreciate the music
Jackson Browne makes without having to know what he has done in his
personal life.>>>

I basically agree with this, but being married to a professional
musician (jazz guitar), I would have to add that a musician's life IS
his music, if you get my obscure inference!  

Just my two and a half cents, y'all...

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Subject: NN: total insanity
   From: odddduck@deltanet.com (Bill Lukesh)

Folks,

I've been trying not to make trouble. I haven't ranted on how Lillith fair
killed the female singer/songwriter. Or how the most hard core folksinger of
them all Custer LaRue is on a 'classical' label. After having a "Fat?So"
member go bonkers over my "brides of dwight" comments,  I  even stayed out
of the last 'fat' discussion. ( Actually, I've figured out how to deal with
them in real life, I always carry a couple of Snickers Bars with me. I throw
them on the floor one way, and run the other. I've escaped unscathed every
time.) I haven't tried to draw parallels to Nanci's 'More than a whisper"
and Tom Waits "Eyeball Kid', complete with music diagrams and lyric
comparisons.  Nor have a diatribed about the glories of Adreinne Barbeau and
her cover of "There's a light beyond these woods'(Okay I have, but not
lately) But this nanci and Jackson Browne thread is something else. C'mon,
do people really sit around pondering who would make Miss Nanci a good
husband and  possible problems with the hypothetical  relationship. This
sort of 'once upon a time' thinking should be reserved for teenagers and
groupies. C'mon Nanci Griffith is not a 'spice girl'.  What next, lurid love
poems to her, like the ones the Brides post to Dwight in his AOL folder.  I
know, we get into off topic discussions once in a while, but imagined
fancies about nanci's love life are never in good taste. While we are at it
I've heard that Nanci Griffith has a  weakness for men with tattoos, esp
tattoos of birds. Like waterfowl, geese or better yet ducks. Does anyone
know this to be true?  Does she like poems about ducks and the men who have
them tattoos of them? I've written one, I'm too embarassed to post it.

Bill Lukesh

// for once I tend to agree...[BP]

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