// What's appropriate, what's not...answers to questions...
// Texas singers/songwriters, and more!
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Questions and answers
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:29:22 -0500
   From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>

Some of you seem not to have read the "Welcome to the NanciNet" message you
received upon joining the list -- or maybe you just forgot.

Many of the questions that have been asked recently ("Who was John?" "When did
he die?" "What singers will I like if I like Nanci?") are addressed in the FAQ
file --

        http://www.jump.net/~ferg/nanfaq.html

There are a few things there to update -- 

        my email is bpage@itol.com

John Alvord has moved, and the address for NanciNet buttons has likewise
changed. This info will be posted again as soon as I can find it (or as soon as
John sends it again, hint hint).

And I'm not sure about the URL for "Friends Out in the Madness." Marty? 

Bill "me? confused? don't be silly" Page

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Subject: Re: NN: Questions and answers
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@mbay.net>

John Alvord
PO Box 396
Big Sur, California 93920
jalvo@mbay.net

nancinet badges $2 each, include self addressed stamped envelope. All
proceeds go to the benefit of Maggie Heenie (Margret Mary Graham...
There's a light beyond These Woods, Margret). 

See http://www.candlelist.org

for details.

john (my house in New York closed today!!!) Alvord

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Subject: Re: NN: Questions and answers
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:54:44 -0700
   From: Bill Peete (billpeet@cruzio.com>

Howdy All Ya'll

List-Daddy wrote:

>
>And I'm not sure about the URL for "Friends Out in the Madness." Marty? 
>

"Friends Out In The Madness" is currently being maintained at 

http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/Foitm/fom.html

For those that haven't visited the site in a while, there's a new link to
the mighty fine "Nanci's Hat" page that Sue created. Be patient though, it
takes awhile to load. There's even a preview of what Nanci will look like
when she tries it on for size :)

Cheers,

-bill

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci older albums
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:25:24 PDT
   From: "John Cambre" (thrak61@hotmail.com>

I've only been a NanciNut since 93, but in that time I've collected the NG 
catalog. I've gone through phases, probably like most of us here, but for 
me, I return to PIMW as what I consider the most consistent, in terms of her 
own songwriting and performance.

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci older albums
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:48:48 -0500
   From: "Mark" (catfan@radiks.net>

John Cambre wrote:

> I've only been a NanciNut since 93, but in that time I've collected the NG
> catalog. I've gone through phases, probably like most of us here, but for
> me, I return to PIMW as what I consider the most consistent, in terms of
> her own songwriting and performance.

I think "Heart of a Miner" is her best effort on an album (not a single).
Cradle of the Interstate is her best effort, period.

Mark

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Subject: Re: NN: Hello Again
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:47:43 PDT
   From: "John Cambre" (thrak61@hotmail.com>

Indeed it was good to hear from JH again. Nice to see his irreverent sense 
of humor is still intact. And I too have been out of touch with this whole 
MP3 thing. Hell, I work in computers too, so I have no excuse.

John "Minoxidil came too late for me too" Cambre

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Subject: NN: Yeah! Hooker's back!
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:49:49 -0400
   From: "Kristina Plath" (flyer23@angelfire.com>

Hi All!

YEAH!!!!!!  Oh boy!  Since I got on this list about a year ago, I'd always
dreamed Hooker would
post again... like in the good old days....  and my wishes have been answered! 

So.  A new, new album?!  When?  Where?  With whom?  

Good luck on getting the BMO recorded!  I'll jump through hoops to get that
album!

Kristina, where the cornfield's prayers have been answered!  (it's pouring!)

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Subject: NN: John Prine in Boston venue correction
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:36:04 -0400
   From: "Barry Brooks" (bmb444@email.msn.com>

John Prine's Sep.10 gig in the Boston area will be at Sanders Theater in
Cambridge, & not at Berklee Performance Center.  Tickets went on sale
yesterday, Aug. 13.

Barry

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Subject: NN: Kerrville Labor Day
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:07:34 -0500
   From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

Anyone going to the Wine and Music Festival in Kerrville the
Labor Day weekend? Kate Campbell plays at 6:00 PM Saturday night
Sept. 4th. If anyone wants to meet up, Sharon and I'll buy you a 
Shiner Bock. 

Life is sweet,
Ed Maier
Arlington, TX

http://www.kerrville-music.com/wine_and_music_99.html

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Subject: Re: NN: Any better than Nanci?
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:30:08 -0500
   From: Steve Makarsky (thekidd@flash.net>

Afternoon, All:  I have to second Tracy's comments about Terri
Hendrix... Her Live from Cibolo Creek Country Club is well worth the
money... She's starting to move out beyond Texas these days, so if she
ends up playing nearby, do yourself a favor and see her... If you're
interested, you can check out her website at:   www.terrihendrix.com

Cheers...

Steve (Still a dyed in the wool Nanci Fan)

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Subject: NN: Re: Freshcuts
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:34:50 -0400
   From: kenn lippert (lippert@fyi.net>

>A brief review of 'Roasryville' is included in the Freshcuts on the  CNN
>programme 'Worldbeat'  page  http://www.cnn.com/WorldBeat/freshcuts/ -

It's so brief, here it is:

begin quote>>>
"Rosaryville"
  Kate Campbell (Compass)
On her fourth album, the New Orleans-born, Nashville-based Campbell 
continues in the literate vein of her previous work with a series of 
short series woven in her own inimitable style. With a vocal style 
reminiscent of Nanci Griffith, Campbell delivers a collection of 
country/folk tunes which are thought-provoking and comforting at 
the same time.
(((end quote

"reminiscent of Nanci Griffith"!?!?  No who would have thought that 
anyone who liked Nanci Griffith would ever be attracted to Kate?

Deb Thorton, you listening?

kenn "at least they didn't say Iris Dement" lippert

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Subject: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com>

Dear Netters,

Just an obsrvation and opinion about some recent notes
on Nanci-Net:  Could we be getting into some
"dangerous waters" when asking about or stating what
are probably rumors about such things as "Why Nanci's
marriage failed" "Was Eric Taylor 'abusive' to her?"
"Does Nanci smoke, and if so why?"  Are these
appropriate subjects for our group?  They seem a bit
"Tabloid" to me.
Just my opinion--I could be wrong(I very often am).

Bob Riegner

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Subject: Re: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:15:08 -0500
   From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>

> Just my opinion--I could be wrong(I very often am).

No, you're not wrong. Nanci's personal life is none of our business.

Bill

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Subject: Re: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:37:25 EDT
   From: "Tracy Applebaum" (poohbear512@hotmail.com>

Bill and all,

I don't mean to be inappropriate or dense here, and I do see how there are 
some things about Nanci that really are none of anyone else's business, 
BUT... where do we draw the line between that and things abuot her that help 
us to understand her music better?  I mean, I've always thought that a lot 
of the songs on OIAVBM were written out of the emotion of a marriage gone 
wrong; uit helps me to ubndertsand the songs better to know that she was 
getting, or had just gotten, a divorce when she recorded that album.  
Similarly about John...there's a way in which it's her personal memory and 
we should leave it alone, but ont he other hand, when she writes songs about 
him, dedicated an album to him, alludes to him in her book and so many other 
places, sren't we entitled to explore what all the memory represents to her?

Just a thought; disagreements welcome as always,

Tracy

// I agree with you about John, anyway...[BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:39:56 +0100
   From: "Mike Barrett" (mikebarrettuk@hotmail.com>

Very good point. If Nanci is as open as she is about these particular
areas - I've seen a few interviews where she has been very frank about her
marriage - then I don't really see the harm in the sort of speculation which
goes on here. And surely it is natural and understandable that we want to
know more about her, fascinating lady that she is. We don't want or need
gossip or rumour, tabloid style, but from my limited experience I doubt that
any of the NNers would go in for that sort of thing anyway.

Mike Barrett

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Subject: Re: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:04:46 -0000
   From: "Michele Mcclung" (Mitch.M@btinternet.com>

I also have to disagree with Bill etc.  
Exactly where do you draw the line?
Are there any guidelines asto what we can and
can't speak about on NN.

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Subject: Re: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:57:06 -0500
   From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>

Actually, there are guidelines! You received a copy when you joined the list.
The applicable portion is quoted below:

> POSTING TO NANCINET (or, the rules of the game)
> -----------------------------------------------
>  
> If you choose to post a message to nanci@world.std.com, please
> observe the following guidelines:
>  
>   1.  The purpose of this forum is to provide a place for discussion
>       of the music and career of Nanci Griffith.  Try to stick with
>       appropriate topics which somehow relate to our focus.  Remarks 
>       which are irrelevant, repetitive, commercial, vulgar, frivolous, 
>       or personally derogatory are not welcome.  Gossip and rumors are 
>       best kept to yourself.  Chatty one-liners get old real fast -- 
>       this isn't a "chat room" (try using IRC for that).  
(snip>
>       If you see messages which you feel are inappropriate, please
>       ignore them and try to introduce your own on-topic discussion.
>       Don't whine to everyone about list content; send such comments 
>       to the list manager. 
> 

Gossip about Nanci's personal life (or speculation about her marriage, etc.) is
not welcome. 

What *would* be along these lines that would be acceptable? A quote from an
interview with Nanci, a comment directly from an involved party, something said
from the stage (remembering that such comments can be taken out of context.

It is appropriate to mention Nanci's recent bouts with cancer, or Hooker's
illness, or Lee sharing a kidney with her mother. The influence of losing John
early in her life is also open for discussion, as she has made it an integral
part of her music.

It's not appropriate to discuss their love lives.

Bill "somebody has to be the list-owner" Page

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Subject: NN: Strawberry
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:05:45 +0200
   From: "Hans Janssen" (hjanssen@mail.dotcom.fr>

Hi,

Are there NN'ers going to the Strawberry Festival in Yosemite, September  2
till 6. I'll be there and you're welcome for cup of coffee or something
else. I camp there the whole  festival and should like to meet some NN'ers.

met vriendlijke groeten,

Hans Janssen.

See: http://listen.to/Tish and http://fly.to/nanci

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Subject: Re: NN: Strawberry
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:01:15 -0500
   From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>

Hans Janssen wrote:
> 
> Are there NN'ers going to the Strawberry Festival in Yosemite, September  2
> till 6. I'll be there and you're welcome for cup of coffee or something
> else. I camp there the whole  festival and should like to meet some NN'ers.

Hans, and other attenders...I envy you and can't wait to hear all about
it.  One of the most wonderfully run festivals in the most beautiful
surroundings.  The last time I was there I saw Townes Van Zandt and Guy
Clark.

I'll join you in a "virtual" cuppa,

Sarah
-- 
=======================================================
Live Music's Cool: an internet broadcast &
Vince Bell Web Site:  http://www.vincebell.com
P.O. Box 210373, Nashville, TN 37221 615/646-3103
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Subject: NN: Correction to previous correction re: John Prine venue
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:05:50 -0400
   From: "Barry Brooks" (bmb444@email.msn.com>

I passed along an incorrect venue for John Prine's Sep. 10 gig in Boston.  A
local FM radio station announced that he would appear at Sanders Theater,
but today's Boston Globe is advertising the concert at Berklee Performance
Center. Sorry about any confusion that my posting may have caused.

Barry

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Subject: NN: John Prine venue
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:25:35 EDT
   From: MSomer3809@aol.com

JOHN PRINE   at OLD TOWN SCHOOL OF FOLK MUSIC   Chicago  11/19,20  &   
11/22,23   ph 7737286000   went on sale this past friday at 9:30 am

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Subject: NN: MP3 Recommendations
   Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:55:55 -0700
   From: "John Houser" (jchouser@earthlink.net>

Hey all,

No, I don't have any particular recommendations, though I enjoyed the first
download of Mr. Hooker's (since I'm going over a slow dial-up while on
vacation - BUMMER! - can only listen to the first track tonight)...

Anyway, back to the request: Any leads to URL's of any additional fine music
greatly appreciated. BTW, careful on the reply button on any emails, maybe
you don't want to send to the whole board as opposed to just me - or, then
again, maybe you do ;-)

Thanks in advance...

John "checked in the mirror and, by golly, they ARE starry" Houser

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Subject: NN: Re: thanks!
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:37:36 -0400
   From: Nancy McCue (mccue@pobox.upenn.edu>

NNetters,

A quick "thank yew" to those of you who responded off line to my call for
help in obtaining a copy of "If these Walls Could Talk". In typically NN
samaritan fashion, the responses were quick and enthusiastic, and I really
appreciated all of them.

Now if the stars and moons line up, I will ship off mailing materials to
Dave Gibson sometime this week. I'm already planning safe stowage for this
one so that my Ricky Martin loving 11 YO won't be able to commit the same
insult twice.

thanks to all and looking forward to hearing this song again,

Nancy

********
Nancy McCue

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Subject: NN: Susan Werner's cookie
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:31:32 -0400
   From: James_Troiano@umit.maine.edu (James Troiano)

HI folks: Just got back from the Folk Festival in Rockport, Maine and
there was great music by John Gorka, Cheryl Wheeler, and my personal
favorite, Susan Werner.  We left earlier than planned and missed
Jonathan Edwards and Chris Lavin becaus it rained all day, despite the
fact that we suffered drought all summer. I knew it would rain on that
day-but it was still terrific. After her set, I spoke to Susan, who saw
my OV2 hat, my Nanci t-shirt was covered by my raincoat. She then spoke
glowingly of Nanci and told what a big fan she is. (As most know, a
Nanci concert changed Susan from an opera singer to a folk singer). She
signed a copy of her wonderful album, Time Between Trains. I believe it
was one of the best records of last year and I recall that Bill
mentioned he agreed with me.  When I started to leave, Susan asked me if
I enjoyed the cookie at the end of the album. About two minutes after
the final cut VIncent, there is another song-a hilarious satire she
performed during her set. One of the many things I love about Susan and
Nanci is  their self-deprecatory humor and this song reflects that and
many other things. I had missed ithe song the first time because I
turned the Cd player off after the supposed final cut  and used the
rest of the tape for some other music. I then listened to the tape in
the car. If you have Time Between Trains listen for her cookie-if you
don't have it- your missing one of the few singers who comes close to
Nanci as a performer, singer, and songwriter. All of her albums are
great and I just purchased the a concert album from 1993, which I did
not have. See you, Jim. 

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Subject: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 22:15:07 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Shawn's recommendation of last week, Shaver's "Electric Shaver" cd, which 
he said vaulted Billy Joe into the great Texans category, alongside Guy 
Clark and Steve Earle, got me thinking. Just how could one state produce 
so many great artists? I scanned my rather large album/cd collection and 
found the following Texans have all made music I have bought.   

Townes Van Zandt
Vince Bell 
Lyle Lovett
Robert Earl Keen
Ray Wylie Hubbard 
Nanci Griffith 
Jimmy LaFave
Kelly Willis
Monte Warden
Joe Ely
Jimmie Dale Gilmore
Butch Hancock
Terry Allen
Jon Dee Graham
David Halley (whatever happened to this excellent songwriter?)
Steve Bruton
Gary Nunn
Edie Brickell
Katy Moffatt
Kimmie Rhodes
Willie Nelson
Tish Hinojosa
Sara Hickman
Lou Ann Barton
Angela Strehli
Marcia Ball
Jerry Jeff Walker
Eric Taylor
Dene Anton
Michael Martin Murphey
Rosie Flores
J.D. Souther
Steve Stills
Rodney Crowell
Holly Dunn
Clint Black
James McMurtry
Terri Hendrix
Radney Foster
Darden Smith
Richard Dobson
Trish Murphy
Christopher Cross
Don Henley
Lee Clayton (the first time I heard Philip Donnelly on guitar-way back in 
1979)
ZZ Top
Rainravens
Storyville
Charlie Robison
Bruce Robison
plus the three already mentioned.

I know I haven't mentioned a whole host of people, but I have no Buddy 
Holly or Kris Kristofferson in my collection, or Stevie Ray 
Vaughan.......................................

I'm sure our Texan list members can add to the list, but I thought this 
might get us talking and open up the proverbial can'o'worms!!! The simple 
fact is, they are all good or even better, great artists.

John "that's right I'm not from Texas" Graveling

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Subject: Re: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:26:24 EDT
   From: Petop@aol.com

    No collection of Texas music is complete without the works of Shake 
Russell and Dana Cooper. Buy. Enjoy.

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Subject: Re: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:31:02 -0700
   From: Dan.Gerson@mckhboc.com

     Janis Joplin
     Boz Scaggs
     Edgar Winter
     Johnny Winter
     Steve Miller

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Subject: Re: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:33:53 -0400
   From: Alan Larson (alanlarson@mindspring.com>

Just off the top of my head, how about Doyle Bramhall, Delbert McClinton,
Charlie Sexton w/or without Arc Angels, Asleep At The Wheel, Doug Sahm,
Janis Joplin and many, many more.

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Subject: Re: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:41:13 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

And you haven't yet mentioned Bob Wills and the Txas Playboys.

I think places where strong folk cultures interact are perhaps more
likely to produce music, at least American music.  Texas with its
British, Mexican, African influences--and let's not forget the Germans
who brought the accordion to both La. and Texas--is a particularly good
example.  The same goes for 20th century styles--Texas swing of course
is jazz meets country (just as bluegrass is jazz meets old-timey) and
"Outlaw Country Music" was to a large extent rock meeting Hank
Williams.  And country itself, combned the lowland southern blues and
commercialism of Jimmie Rodgers with the Carter's Family'smore
traditional fare.  Louisina has African American, British, Acadian,
French, and Carribbeean all in the mix; for one bright and shining
moment Liverpool had particularly good access to American music through
the Cunard Lines--and Bob Dylan somehow did it all in his own head
since he's recorded blues, rock, rock and roll, rockabilly, traditional
folk, protest... Of course he didn't do it all in his own head, he had
the radio and the hi-fi, the old Global Village.  But I think if you
get too many stations on the radio you get static, and that's why the
continuance of a few strong folk cultures may produce more new music in
the end--innovation sustained by tradition seems to me, at least, the
key to most art.

Reid "OK Kimbro, let's have it" Mitchell

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Subject: Re: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:27:03 -0400
   From: Shawn Kimbro (kimbro@planetc.com>

Reid Mitchell wrote:

> Reid "OK Kimbro, let's have it" Mitchell

I couldn't agree more!  :-)

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Subject: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:11:54 -0500
   From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>

The Dixie Chicks (those three young ladies are *very* talanted)
The Fabulous Thunderbirds (rock, but WOW!)

Ed

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Subject: NN: Re: [moonpie] Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:25:41 -0400
   From: "Shawn Kimbro" (skimbro@bhset.org>

John writes:

>Shawn's recommendation of last week, Shaver's
>"Electric Shaver" cd, which he said vaulted Billy
>Joe into the great Texans category, alongside Guy
>Clark and Steve Earle, got me thinking...... (snip, a lot
of great names>

That's a great list, John. I'm a little surprised at the
heat I got from that statement. When I wrote it, I was
speaking in the context of contemporary performing artists
and I didn't mean it to be inclusive.  I said Shaver "claims
his rightful chair alongside Guy Clark and Steve Earle as a
premier Texas songwriter."  By that, I meant that he's
writing the same sort of songs, using a somewhat similar
style, and deserves to be considered with the same critical
eye.  I don't agree that he's risen to those standards
before this album, and I am familiar with his previous work.
That's just one opinion posted to an open forum.

Warm Regards,
-Shawn

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Subject: NN: Texas music--a postscript
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

Or maybe it's just impossible to get Texans to shut up and stay seated.

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Subject: NN: re Lee Satterfield
   Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:43:06 -0400
   From: Rob Remig (rob.remig@psinet.com>

A couple of people recently asked about Lee Satterfield.  I was fortunate
enough to have
attended the August 18, 1997 performance by Nanci and the Blue Moon Orchestra
in Austin, Texas.
Nanci welcomed Lee back to the Orchestra, announcing that Lee had had to leave
their current
tour for awhile to go home to Colorado to donate a kidney to her mother.  Sorry
but I can't
tell you anything about her music, other than I really enjoy her, but I think I
can tell you a
little something about her as a person!

Rob in San Antonio

// The archives from the summer of 97 have musch discussion of this [BP]

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