// News from one of Nanci's collaborators, more discussion on what 
// is and isn't appropriate.
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: Fwd: NN: re:appropriate?
   Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:12:03 EDT
   From: VickiStein@aol.com

Bill ~

I respect your post and agree, though I have to admit that many people (it is 
human nature) are just plainly and simply curious about what makes "someone" 
tick...the nuances that affect and infect our lives are brought home by 
common threads, and Nanci does adroitly weave those fibers into a beautiful 
blanket of self expression.  I think people perceive experiences as part of 
the context of why a songwriter as talented and prolific as Nanci writes what 
she does write....so I understand the curiosity.   Just my simple opinion...

Peace, ya all, (looking forward to Nanci's new cd, as well as the new one 
coming out from the Indigo Girls!!),

Vicki

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness...
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:40:15 +0100 (BST)
   From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>

Bob started the ball rolling with some questions...

>Could we be getting into some "dangerous waters" when 
asking about or stating what are probably rumors about 
such things as "Why Nanci's marriage failed" "Was Eric 
Taylor 'abusive' to her?" "Does Nanci smoke, and if so why?"(

and Bill Page said

>It's not appropriate to discuss their love lives.(

But I think (despite the rules) it could be.  I honestly don't know
anything about James lovelife and I'm sure he'd be the first to
tell us if it was relevant...but surely loads of Nanci's songs are
about her lovelife and surely she's talked about this in interviews
and so if it's in the public domain, can't we at least conjecture-ize
(I know that's probably not a word...) on the subject occasionally?

I don't want to know who's she's seeing (ain't that a quaint expression!?)
now but I see nothing worng with reflecting one how her previous
relationships might have a bearing on her lyrics for instance.  Can
we make this distinction?  I mean we're not talking about S & M
here...!

Many years ago I think we found out (somehow!) that she smoked
"Sweet Afton" (?) cigarettes incidentally...

Robert "smoke 'em if you've got 'em" Pugsley

// Remember that, prior to "Flyer," Nanci speaks of her songs as
// short stories...and it was said that if you were Nanci's friend,
// you might find your story in one of those songs. Very few of 
// the early songs can be shown (or assumed) to be autobiographical.
// [BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness...
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:55:36 +0200
   From: "Hans Janssen" (hjanssen@mail.dotcom.fr>

>
> Many years ago I think we found out (somehow!) that she smoked
> "Sweet Afton" (?) cigarettes incidentally...


That tells Nanci herself on a tape recorded in Boston during the OVOR tour.
She tells a story abour Emmylou and herself presenting one to Princess
Margaret, but she refuses the cigaret, she says: "No thank you I have my own
brand".

This happened on a private concert for Princess Magaret, during a visit to
the US.

met vriendlijke groeten,

Hans Janssen.

See: http://listen.to/Tish and http://fly.to/nanci

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Subject: NN: Inappropriateness
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:06:33 -0400
   From: Maureen Scott (mscott@shore.net>

Robert wrote:
Many years ago I think we found out (somehow!) that she smoked
"Sweet Afton" (?) cigarettes incidentally...

I don't know Robert, last time I saw Nanci she was smoking Viceroy (it's true)!
Let's get the gossip ball a-rollin!

Maureen

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:05:38 EDT
   From: Annavedo@aol.com

mscott@shore.net writes:

(( last time I saw Nanci she was smoking Viceroy (it's true)! >>

   Gossip be damned!  This ain't just "gossip" to me....I LOVE this woman, 
and I want her to win the battle for her health.  Anyone, and I mean ANYONE 
who continues to smoke, despite a brush with cancer (not once, but TWICE) is 
not only gambling foolishly, but is indeed, a fool.  I love her, but hey... 
if she's still smoking, she's a fool.  Smoking increases the risk of almost 
every kind of cancer; not just the obvious lung, mouth and throat.  I hope 
for her sake (and mine, truth be told.... as I said, I love her!) she has 
decided to heed the Surgeon General's warning.  Most of us who are getting 
"up there" in age, can no longer think of ourselves as invinceable.  We ARE 
mortal.
   What is it with the way celebrities smoke, anyway?  Anyone care to hazzard 
a guess at the percentage who smoke?  I find that more often than not, a 
celebrity is a smoker, and it just baffles me. 

Anne "subtle-is-my-middle-name" Pinkerton

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:51:11 PDT
   From: "John Cambre" (thrak61@hotmail.com>

Yes, I remember this discussion back around the time Blue Roses came out, 
and when Maggie had started joining our discussion. (Starting to sound 
dated, aren't I?)

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:02:36 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

>    What is it with the way celebrities smoke,
> anyway?  Anyone care to hazzard 
> a guess at the percentage who smoke?  I find that
> more often than not, a 
> celebrity is a smoker, and it just baffles me. 
 
Maybe people who continue to smoke and people who get to be celebrities
are risk-takers.

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT)
   From: odddduck@deltanet.com (Bill Lukesh)

Folks,
 My god are we back yapping about smoking yet again. I've never smoked a day
in my life, but more than once I've wanted to pick up the habit just to get
on people's nerves. Like drinking, gambling or any other 'vice' people make
their own choices and as long as they are willing to accept the
consequences, they can have as much as they want.  Furthermore, I've never
heard of a case of someone smoking too much, getting in a car and killing
somebody, nor have I ever heard of a person losing their home  because they
smoked all their money away.  If Nanci took up skydiving,  whitewater
rafting, dating a Kennedy  or  some other  moronic hobby, everyone would be
yipping about what a a brave adventurer she turned out to be.

Bill "a simple life is fine for those it suits" Lukesh

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Subject: Re: NN: Inappropriateness
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:32:14 PDT
   From: "John Cambre" (thrak61@hotmail.com>

'have to agree with the esteemed Mr Lukesh on this one.

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Subject: NN: Love lives
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 15:27:56 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

I really don't think discussing Nanci's past love life is anything to do 
with us. At times things get pretty obsessive here on the net. I'm a big 
fan of Nanci's, have seen her many times (19 I think), have met her and 
talked with her, but I don't want to know everything about her past, 
present, or even, future. Where is the mystique? That is what used to 
make us, is our innocence, fans of the music. The ambiguities, the 
lyrical references, our interpretations of what a song meant to us. The 
list is in danger of clinically disecting all of this.

About 6 years ago I bumped into Tom Kimmel at a Post Office in Nashville. 
I spoke to him, and he was surprised that I knew who he was. I explained 
that I had seen him open shows for Nanci, here in the UK, some months 
earlier. At that time, the music press here were full of Tom and Nanci's 
liaison. Some months later they obviously parted ways. Tom recorded a 
song "What You Stole From Me" on his self relesed "Bones-Live" cd. To my 
ears it was a rather cutting love lost song about his relationship with 
Nanci. I may be wrong, but if you get a chance to hear it, it is a superb 
piece of lyricism, draw your own conclusions, but I'm sure Nanci and Tom 
would not want what they once had aired in public. There are some things 
that are simply none of our business. If songwriters put things in their 
lyrics that we think tell us something about them, fine. But, remember 
that not everything a writer writes is autobiographical, it may come from 
second hand experiences, and poetic licence, or as Tom Kimmel sings on 
his latest cd, "Poetic Justice" (from "Short Stories").

John "just my two cents worth" Graveling.

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Subject: NN: Re: Workin' In Corners query
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:55:57 +0100 (BST)
   From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>

The lyrics to WIC go as follows...

"These city streets at five in the mornin'
 I would've stopped to phone you
 but I'm almost home
 At my back door
 there's a porch light that's shinin'
 I just don't mind livin' here by myself
 If I leave it on"

Who, if she's living alone, would she stop to phone? At "five in 
the mornin'"?

Robert (Pugsley)

p.s. Has she been drunk driving?

p.p.s. Isn't the line "I don't want to go to sleep - 'cause I just might
dream" one of the greatest ever written?

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Workin' In Corners query
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:08:06 EDT
   From: "Tracy Applebaum" (poohbear512@hotmail.com>

Robert Pugsley writes:
>Who, if she's living alone, 
>would she stop to phone? At "five in
>the mornin'"?

>p.s. Has she been drink driving?
>
>p.p.s. Isn't the line "I don't want to go to sleep - 'cause I just might
>dream" one of the greatest ever written?

Ah, one of my favorite activities; trying to analyze Nanci songs!  OK, my 
interpretation is, the "you" is just someone she cares about, maybe someone 
she left in New Orleans or wherever her starting point was, or maybe a 
boyfriend or someone back home.  She's feeling lonely, or depressed, or 
whatever, and she needs to talk to this person, even though it is five in 
the mornin'.  She would have stopped on the road to make the call, but 
decided to wait until she got home and call from there rather than delay her 
trip with the call.
I don'thave a clue if this is vaguely right, it's just my guess.  And yes, 
she must be drunk driving.

I love that line, too.  Also, "I'll never be a fool but I will gamble 
foolishly".

Tracy

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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Workin' In Corners query
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:16:08 PDT
   From: "John Cambre" (thrak61@hotmail.com>

That song is probably my favorite on the whole album, which is saying a lot, 
since it's filled with gems. I don't think many songwriters have distilled 
so much into one lyric.

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Subject: Re: NN: Texans (The Lone Star State)
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:33:46 EDT
   From: Petop@aol.com

(( Someone this morning 
 mentioned the brilliant Toni Price, well I think she is actually a 
 Nashville native who migrated to Austin. >>

Actually Ms. Price was born in 1961 in Philadelphia. her family lived in 
southern New Jersey for a short time after she was born but they moved to 
Nashville when Toni was still a pre-schooler. She lived there until moving to 
Austin in 1989.

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Subject: NN: LUBBOCK CONCERT
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:32:53 -0500
   From: "alisha palermo" (alisha@usunwired.net>

Hi y'all.  I am writing to see if anyone is attending the concert at the
Buddy Holly center on September 2nd.  I cleverly convinced my dad, mom, and
sister to come with me, and I am very excited.  It is the night of my
parents' 35th wedding anniversary, and I wonder if it would be possible to
request a song(It's too late; Roseville Fair).  Has anyone had any success
with this in the past?  If you are going, let me know!

ASHLEY(my sister is alisha)


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Subject: Re: NN: LUBBOCK CONCERT
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:06:33 EDT
   From: Annavedo@aol.com

(( the concert at the
 Buddy Holly center on September 2nd. >>

Maybe she will wear her birthday hat!!!!???

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Subject: NN: Celebrities who Smoke
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:46:22 -0700
   From: Patrick Gibson (pag@odetics.com>

Hello Nanci listers,

My first post since I began listlurking: on the subject of "Celebrities Who 
Smoke".

I think it's essential to your mental health to understand that celebrities 
are people  - first and foremost. Celebrities are too often elevated beyond 
that ranking, and the "goddess", or "superhuman"  status people so easily 
raise them up to ends up being an unfair and unreasonable status. We can 
frequently hear examples of this, such as the celebrity interview where the 
he or she wishes "just let me be", or "I wish the paparazzi would just get 
out of my face".

We need to remind ourselves of this whenever we find ourselves "falling in 
love" with Nanci, or whomever. Please be kind to the ones who make our 
lives so very worthwhile. They are not Gods, and are prone to all of the 
foibles that humans are susceptible to. It helps me when I realize these 
basic FACTS: all people use the bathroom, all people have bad breath, all 
people need an occasional shower, et cetera.

So what if Nanci lights up an occasional menthol? Who are we to decide what 
others need in their lives? Perhaps many don't realize this, but it's 
likely that this very habit is what gives Nanci the vocal qualities she 
possesses, and we all adore. Just let it go, and concentrate on your own 
health, if that's your thing.

Lastly, I'd like to thank all of those who welcomed me to the list not so 
very long ago. I appreciate it.

All for now.
-Pat Gibson
(Still under Nanci's spell)

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Subject: NN: Burning With Curiosity
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:42:27 -0700
   From: "Robin Winning" (robin.winning@westwave.com>

O.K., I'm doing my once annual de-lurk to ask some questions that I'm
sure are burning in the minds of most NanciNetters, but who, unlike me,
are too polite to ask:

Who ARE YOU John Graveling? How do you know all these luminaries? Do you
get your CD's for free? Where do you get the time to listen to them all?
Do you sleep?

Burning with curiosity,

Robin "Bull in the Nanci-Net China Shop" Winning

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Subject: Re: NN: Burning With Curiosity
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 13:03:10 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Robin,  

To ease your troubled mind. I am a 45 year old, ordinary, average guy. I 
am a school teacher in north west London and I live some 20 miles west of 
London. I spend 3/4 weeks each year in the deep south (USA), primarily 
Tennessee, where we have some friends who gladly put us up. I have been 
doing this for the past 10 years, and it's surprising how just hanging 
around you get to meet people.

It all really started with an auto crash in Nashville in '93. I got tail 
ended and the guy who hit me was Tom Pacheco. I had 3 of Tom's albums at 
the time, and we got to talking. Three months later he came to London to 
play and as we entered the room I spoke to Tom, he remembered the 
incident, even introduced one of his songs with a tale about it. We've 
been friends ever since, exchanging Christmas cards, letters, phone calls 
and eating out when the occassion arises.

I bumped into Tom Kimmel at a Post Office counter in Nashville, he was 
collecting his mail. I introduced myself as a fan of his music, we 
talked, and we've never met since.

In Nashville there is none of this 'billy-big time' star syndrome. 
Performers are often stood outside clubs, having the obligatory smoke, 
and are often pleased to share time with you if you possess some 
knowledge of their music. That is how I met Kevin Montgomery, we chatted, 
he introduced me to his friend, Matt Rollings (keyboard player to Lyle 
Lovett amongst a legion of others). We exchanged phone numbers, and lo 
and behold Kevin e mailed me two months ago and we met a couple of times 
on my recent trip to Nashville. Kevin has released one cd, has another 
due in November, and is perhaps best known for his "I Won't Close My 
Eyes" on the last Martina McBride cd. He also duetted with Mary Chapin 
Carpenter on the Buddy Holly tribute cd. A genuinely nice guy and he's 
hoping to come to England to play in November.

Having written about Tom Pacheco on the lists I belong to, I received an 
e mail from Vince Bell's wife. They are very friendly with Tom, she 
commended me on my good taste and invited me round to the house next time 
I was in town. I have had the pleasure of their company on numerous 
occassions and we are very good friends now. Again Vince should hit these 
shores in the coming year. Vince wrote "Woman Of The Phoenix" and "The 
Sun ,Moon, Stars" which Nanci has covered. He is a great guy and 
hilarious story teller, and boy does he have some tales to tell. It's 
well worth visiting his web site and reading his journal entries.

I've met many other performers, who I have chatted with, none have become 
friends, but these people are genuinely interested in their fans, and if 
you show common courtesy and interest in them ( not the prying kind-which 
regretably goes on here at times) they are happy to talk with you.

I buy my own cd's, my wife and I are well paid, have no kids, so most of 
my disposable income goes on travelling and music (cd's and gigs). I 
obviously get decent holidays and I prefer listening to music to watching 
tv, so I find sufficient, although not enough, time to listen and absorb.

I hope that douses your 'burning curiosity'.

John "putting out the flames" Graveling.

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Subject: Re: NN: Burning With Curiosity
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
   From: John Alvord (jalvo@mbay.net>

That reminds me of a recent incident my wife related. We recently moved to
Big Sur, California. She noticed Clint Eastwood in the local (Carmel)
Safeway. Anne smiled. Clint said "We all gotta eat!" and went on down the
isle.

john alvord

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Subject: Re: NN: Burning With Curiosity
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 17:40:42 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

I like that little annecdote John, and that's how these chance meetings 
happen. Our musical heroes/heoines are people, just the same as us. You 
meet them in the diners, in the cafes, the bars, the clubs etc. Real life 
just taking it's course.

John "I tend not to meet people in supermarkets, 'cos the wife does the 
shopping" Graveling.

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Subject: NN: A Nanci CD
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:24:18 +0000
   From: WNYR Radio Group (wnyr@flare.net>

I was in our local record store yesterday and saw a listing for a Nanci
Griffith CD called "Country Gold".  I've never seen anything about it.
Anyone have any info?

Mike Smith
WNYR@Flare.net

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Subject: Re: NN: A Nanci CD
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:39:26 -0600
   From: Paul Larsen (paul@davisnet.net>

It is a best-of CD.  I bought it a few years ago, and rather enjoy the mix.
Even though all of the songs are available on her other CDs, it is nice to
hear them paired with different songs in a different order.

Paul Larsen

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Subject: NN: More on Buddy Holly Tribute
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:38:07 EDT
   From: MMcLean7@aol.com
     To: Nanci@world.std.com

For anyone who's interested, here is some more information I have received on 
the Buddy Holly tribute in New York featuring Nanci, courtesy of the 
Entertainment Wire.

Mickey McLean

Paul McCartney's Buddy Holly Tribute Comes to the 'Net; Buddy Holly Rock 'N 
Roller Dance Party to be Webcast Live from New York's Roseland Ballroom

HUNTSVILLE, Ala.--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Aug. 19, 1999-- LiveOnTheNet.com, in 
conjunction with MPL Tours, Inc. and WarpRadio.com, is pleased to bring the 
Buddy Holly Rock 'N Roller Dance Party, hosted by Paul McCartney, to fans 
worldwide via the Internet September 7, 1999.

The invitation-only Buddy Holly Rock 'N Roller Dance Party held on Buddy's 
birthday at the Roseland Ballroom in New York City will include performances 
by the Crickets with Special Guest Nanci Griffith, Bobby Vee & the Vees and 
Big Sandy & His Fly-Rite Boys. Invitation-only guests, VIP's, fans and 
industry luminaries will be on hand, as well as a panel of celebrity judges 
that will select a Grand Prize Winner and two runner-ups, taken from six 
couples, semi-finalists from the nationwide search currently being held.

Fans can sign up at www.buddyhollydance.com for a chance to win T-Shirts, 
posters, and tickets to this event. Tickets are not for sale anywhere -- fans 
can only win them through various promotions.

LiveOnTheNet.com, as the exclusive webcast partner, will provide coverage of 
the event from beginning to end. This will include pre-show coverage from 
52nd Street outside the ballroom, a tribute to Buddy Holly, roving reporter 
coverage, special guest interviews and coverage from inside the ballroom.

"LiveOnTheNet.com is thrilled and privileged to be involved in a such a 
historic event. Buddy Holly fans around the world will see a wonderful 
tribute to his music and a great deal of exclusive content from our webcast," 
says company president Tim Erwin.

LiveOnTheNet.com is the Internet's premier entertainment destination for live 
events and can be seen at http://www.liveonthenet.com. All LiveOnTheNet.com 
events are distributed via RealSystem G2 technology from RealNetworks(TM) 
(Nasdaq:RNWK) and are available to any recent version of Microsoft(R) 
Internet Explorer(TM), Netscape(R) Navigator and AOL browsers.

MPL Tours, Inc., and its subsidiary and affiliate companies is one of the 
largest privately owned music publishing companies in the world with a wide 
range of musical copyrights, nearly a century of music by composers including 
Paul McCartney, Buddy Holly, Jerry Herman, Frank Loesser, Meredith Willson, 
Harold Arlen plus many more. More information about MPL and this event can be 
found at www.mplcommunications.com/buddy

WarpRadio.com balances 50+ years radio broadcasting with enterprise-level 
internet expertise. By hosting the most complete national radio station 
search portal on the internet, WarpRadio.com is committed to bringing the 
radio community together. For more information about WarpRadio.com and their 
participation in this event go to http://buddyholly.warpradio.com

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// Hey folks, the following was sent to me by the remarkably talented 
// Mickie Merkens: 

Hi Bill,
Someone forwarded me Douglas' question on track list.  Here it is in case 
you haven't seen it yet, here is list and notes from the advance CD...

>>When do we get a track list for Nanci's new album?
>>Thank you,
>>Douglas R. Belardi

1. Trouble In The Fields
2. The Wing And The Wheel
3. These Days In An Open Book
4. Love At The Five And Dime (duet with Darius Rucker)
5. It's A Hard Life (Wherever You Go)
6. Late Night Grande Hotel
7. Tell Me How (duet with Sonny Curtis)
8. Not My Way Home (duet with Sonny Curtis)
9. 1937 Pre-War Kimball (duet with Beth Nielsen Chapman)
10. Waiting For Love
11. Nobody's Angel
12. Always Will
13. Drops From The Faucet
14. Dust Bowl Reprise

"Contemplation of recording this album with The London Symphony was like 
being that small child atop the caprock looking out at the vastness of the 
dust bowl.  It is a retrospective of twenty odd years of my songwriting and 
shaping those songs with the colors I had always wanted to hear in them and 
the opportunity to work with the finest musicians of the London Symphony 
Orchestra and their conductor, Andrew Jackman."
--Nanci Griffith

On her new album, The Dust Bowl Symphony, Nanci Griffith has chosen many of 
her best-loved songs and recorded them with the backing of the London 
Symphony Orchestra, giving the songs a new warmth and uncommon beauty.

With her longtime band the Blue Moon Orchestra, Nanci and producer Peter 
Collins--who also produced her acclaimed Grammy-nominated album 
Flyer--recorded the album in London's Abbey Road Studios.  Guest performers 
include Sonny Curtis, Darius Rucker of Hootie & The Blowfish and Beth 
Nielsen Chapman.


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