NanciNet Digest 8-21-99
// More reports on the upcoming album(s), discussions of role
// models, introductions...and more.
// Enjoy...[BP]
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Subject: NN:Angels in the supermarket
From: "jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>
Funny how we also take for granted knowing so many other people's
heroes. people we know and love for their friendship already, because we
bumped into them one day in the villag shop (no supermarkets round here
:) and found common interests. in my parent's case, kids the same age.
And just by chance they are that world-reknown composer that somebody
somewhere slaving over a sheet of mauscript is dreaming of running into.
and there we are in our house offering them digestive biscuits as we
fill their cups with tea...:)
You know, the whole 'artist and being open with fans' thing is really
what makes folk music work. seeing the people behind the songs, behind
the guitars, just as humans. it's nice to talk to people who are totally
not pretentious, like lucy kaplansky for instance...i spoke to her after
a show a few months ago and her surprise at me owning her albums was
genuine, she was completely grateful and had no airs at all...It's such
a difference from the genre of music i'm 'supposed' to be listening to
as a teenager - squashed up against metal barriers at concerts in
freezing cold car parks, 6950 people trying to push you forward and
making you jump up and down. ugh. now i know why i'm a folkie -- i'm
claustrophobic...:) plus that beat that drives through your skull....
well, just my £0.02 on this little thread. am i trying to dodge any
message headed 'appropriate?' 're:appropriate?' 'innapropriate?'. i do
think so...
peace and flowers,
jenny*
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Subject: NN: NanciNet posting - a question, an answer, some comments
From: "Noel Desautels" (noeldesautels@home.com>
Hi Nanci fans:
On the most perfect CD ever created, Storms, (closely followed by Flyer)
I particularly love the song "Listen to the Radio." Over the years it
has often reminded me of another song that I thought was by Tom Russell,
but I have never been able to find it. I only heard it once on the
radio so not having the song in my life is unfortunate. The song in
question includes the lyrics, "Late night radio, ... hear it everywhere
I go ... best friend when I'm lonely is my late night radio ..." Please
e-mail me if you know it.
I only check in every few months to read a month at a time in the
archives so I just came across the discussion about New Grass Revival.
The information was thin on Pat Flynn. He has indeed been working as a
studio musician in recent years. I took a course from him in 1997 at
the National Summer Guitar Workshop. He is a wonderful musician and
manages to use jazz progressions and 12 note scales in country songs
(that dreaded dodecahtonic scale). Pat gave his students a tape of his
more recent back-up musician work and while I can't lay my hands on it
now, I know he has played on many of the biggest hit country songs in
the past decade including some with Garth Brooks. He may have even
played a lead break on Garth's version of Calling Baton Rouge but I
don't have that CD to confirm it.
Months ago, I nearly entered your discussion on Nanci's odd OVOR2
pronunciations. After having read the discussion I sang one of my old
fav songs, You Were on My Mind. I sang it to myself (i.e. loudly and
with abandon) and mimicked Nanci's massacre of the word MAWNIN' (aka
morning). Gosh but a funny thing happened. I found myself smiling
after I finished singing the word. Exaggerating the word just forced my
face into a sort of grin. It actually changed the way I thought and
felt about the song.
As an aside here, one reason I like singing songs is the way they
sometimes give me what might be the same feelings and thoughts as the
person who wrote it. A little vicarious experince - I get to leave who
I am and what I typically think about for a few moments and feel as
another person might feel in a significant situation. At the crossroads
with Robert Johnson or at the Wall of Death with Richard Thompson.
Sometimes there is the surprise of feeling things that I don't
experience from just listening to the song. Doesn't always work, but
it's neat when it happens. Wouldn't that be cool if just by singing the
words to any song, we could feel precisely as the person who wrote it -
all we would have to do is turn all the world leaders into singers and
supply the right repertiore (lots of Nanci). War, inequity and
injustice solved right there!
Back to "You Were on My Mind." This automatic smile that imposed itself
after singing "mawnin" gave me a new interpretation of the song. It
just forced itself on me. I thought of the song being sung, not
immediately after the relationship break down the song refers to, but
perhaps a year later. Think of a sad, yearning smile. Eyes closed.
Enough pain in the heart to know you're alive, but not enough to be
deeply sad. Remembering what was great about the now broken
relationship, possibly glad it's over, possibly wishing it didn't but
knowing the end was inevitable. Bittersweet. Still some wounds to
bind, still some travelling to do.
If any of you know whether or not Nanci (or Sylvia) was smiling with her
eyes closed and face turned upwards when she sang the word "mornin" -
please do not tell me - I'd rather "just let the mystery be."
Cheers, Noel
Noel Desautels
Toronto, Ontario
noel@desautels.net
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Subject: Re: NN: NanciNet posting - a question, an answer, some comments
From: John Alvord (jalvo@mbay.net>
> If any of you know whether or not Nanci (or Sylvia) was smiling with her
> eyes closed and face turned upwards when she sang the word "mornin" -
> please do not tell me - I'd rather "just let the mystery be."
>
> Cheers, Noel
My favorite moment in Nanci's work comes in Spin on A Red Brick Floor,
where she starts bobbing and weaving and panting... I KNOW she was dancing
during that recording. john alvord
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Subject: Re: NN: NanciNet posting - a question, an answer, some comments
From: bateman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
"Late Night Radio" was the title of an album (and song) by Tom
Rush released about 15 years ago. It's listed on his web site
(www.tomrush.com) but unfortunately is out of stock. I'm at work now and
can't confirm that it's the song you're looking for, but it might
be.
Rob Bateman
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Subject: NN: re. lukesh comments
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:01:42 -0800
From: Joseph MacTurk (macturkj@humboldt1.com>
I have to make 2 obvious comments regarding the smoking.
1. Smoking not only affects the health of the smoker, but anyone else within
the
airspace. It is hypocritical for a supposed progressive person to smoke
cigarettes, especially those manufactured by the major corporations who are
definitely part of the problem, not the solution.
2. As an entertainer, Nanci has to accept the fact that she is a role model to
some people. She chose that role when she decided to be an entertainer, and has
a responsibility to her fans, especially her younger ones, to act in an
intelligent and responsible manner. I feel so sad when I see so many of our
young people with the corporate death stick in their mouth.
I love Nanci's music, but hope she has been able to move beyond this filty
habit
by now.
Joe
btw, saw Lyle Lovett and his large band recently and they were unreal. 18 folks
on stage at certain times. wow
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Subject: Re: NN: re. lukesh comments
From: "M G" (tank1000@hotmail.com>
>2. As an entertainer, Nanci has to accept the fact that she is a role model
>to
>some people. She chose that role when she decided to be an entertainer, and
>has
>a responsibility to her fans, especially her younger ones, to act in an
>intelligent and responsible manner.
I don't know where this role model thing became part of the entertainer job
description(Nanci's above and beyond and entertainer, anyway). Most modern
musicians/artists are far from being safe as mother's milk. They may be your
idol's or role model's but that's because you choose to make them that.
I am not going to argue the ciggy thingy just 'cause it's pointless. But I
have a real problem assuming Nanci has a responsibility to me or any other
fan. Nanci has the responsibility to do what Nanci needs to do to be Nanci.
Whether that's fulfilling her contracts, writing great music, performing
that great music or having a smoke. Just because she's great at what she
does and we choose give her money for it does not mean she has to change any
of her habits. When she starts doing what we want her to do or playin the
way we want her to play then she's selling herself short and selling out.
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Subject: NN: re:songwriting, revisited
From: Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com>
Dear Netters,
I am a song writer. (obviously no where near the
level of Nanci). Many of my songs (probably my best
ones) are about intensely personal subjects. A few,
like the song I wrote for my youngest daughter when
she was 8 years old, and was privileged to sing at her
wedding, are straight forward "here it is" everyone
knows what I'm talking about songs.(Also like the song
I wrote about Nanci and posted to this forum several
months ago). Others are couched in less 'obvious'
lyrics where I'm the only one who knows who or what
I'm writing about. Those songs I hope the listener
can 'relate' to his or her's own life and experiences
and makes it their 'own' song.
Even the 'non-personal' songs I write just for fun
always have a couple of lines in them that have a
personal meaning to me.
I guess what I'm saying is that I think virtually all
song writers (including Nanci) write this way. We
would much rather 'touch' someone elses life with our
lyrics than have people try to figure out what 'deep
secrets' about our personal lives may be hidden in our
songs.
It's fun to speculate as to 'what did Nanci mean?'
when she wrote a certain lyric or song (I'm guilty of
that myself)--however such speculations when written
in a public forum such
as Nanci Net may take on a 'life of their own' and
eventually be taken as 'fact.'
If Nanci wants to reveal things in print/interviews,
then fine. She is well known as a very 'private
person,' let's respect her right for privacy--and enjoy
the music of this person we love and who has touched us
all with her song writing, her remarkable voice and
musicianship. Once again this is just my opinion.
On a completely different subject: I pre-ordered the
album "Revisited" from CDNow with an anticipated
release date of 8/24/99. Yesterday Amazon listed the
expected release date as 1/1/2000. Anybody know
what's going on with this?
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Subject: Re: NN: re:songwriting, revisited
From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>
Bob,
Initially I was most intrigued by the idea you married off your
daughter when she was 8 years old but upon rereading I see that that s
probably not what you meant.
Reid "reading too much Ross Macdonald" Mitchell
PS. I also like the idea of a bride singing at her own wedding.
--- Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I am a song writer... A few,
> like the song I wrote for my youngest daughter when
> she was 8 years old, and was privileged to sing at
> her
> wedding...
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Subject: NN: Dust Bowl Symphony
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:36:14 -0500
From: David Grant (dgrant@eden.com>
I know I shouldn't say anything, 'cause it's evil to do so, but the Dust
Bowl Symphony is absolutely wonderful!
It's a fascinating collection of diverse songs, yet the orchestral
accompaniment gives it a real cohesiveness. Nanci sounds good on most
tracks, and although she sounds a bit hoarse and strained on a few tracks,
that actually adds to the poignancy of the lyrics (notably "Late Night
Grande Hotel" and "Trouble in the Fields"). I think the fact that she has
any voice left at all after all she's been through is amazing...
I don't want to give away any of the surprises about the new CD, so I won't
say any more. The new material on this CD is quite interesting!
David Grant
dgrant@eden.com
Grant-Guerrero Photography
http://www.grantguerrero.com/
// I hate you...[BP] (not really)
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Subject: NN: re: LUBBOCK CONCERT
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:47:47 -0700
From: Tom Gill (tgill@igc.org>
> Hi y'all. I am writing to see if anyone is attending the concert at the
> Buddy Holly center on September 2nd.
I doubt it, because the concert is on September 3rd (despite what has
been previously said on the NanciNet and the concert database). At
least all the press here in Lubbock and the official promo materials
around town say. And my tickets too.
I hope Nanci realizes it's the 3rd not the 2nd...
Tom Gill
Lubbock, TX
tgill@igc.org
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Subject: NN: Gossip, smoking, musicians
From: "Mark D. Gardner" (markdgardner@mindspring.com>
Might as well hit three topics in one post.
On discussing the personal life of Miss Griffith, I haven't seen anything on
this list that's in bad taste so far.
Smoking can be a severe addiction. I know people who wish they didn't smoke.
A friend and his wife quit for a few weeks and finally decided they couldn't
stand to be that miserable. It's one of those feelings that I've never
experienced, so can I say that I could do it either?
Musicians have something in common with their fans - they love music.
Watching Nanci sing harmony with Jimmy Dale Gilmore last night on the OVOR
video, I thought, she is head over heels in love with music. I believe most
musicians are the same way, and they know that we are as well. I tend to
like those people too.
Mark Gardner
Louisville, CO
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Subject: NN: clay feet.
From: odddduck@deltanet.com (Bill Lukesh)
((2. As an entertainer, Nanci has to accept the fact that she is a role model
to
some people. She chose that role when she decided to be an entertainer, and has
a responsibility to her fans, especially her younger ones, to act in an
intelligent and responsible manner. I feel so sad when I see so many of our
young people with the corporate death stick in their mouth. >>
This is the goofiest thing I've read in a while. No one person should be
that much of a 'role model' to any child. Nanci Griffith is a human being,
like all of us she has her faults and her vices. Was Sandy Denny a 'role
model'? , How about Kurt Cobain or Hank Williams Sr? There was a time when
people wanted to believe. A time when Bing Crosby could kill a couple
people in a drunk driving accident and pay off the family and police to
stay quiet. A time when Jack and Jacky Kennedy were considered the happiest
couple in America and no one would ever think they would cheat on each
other. A time when Rock Hudson was considered a lady's man. I suggest
anybody who is worried about their children starting to smoke because their
favorite celebrities do, should pull out the pictures of Leonard Bernstein
or Lucille Ball. I don't think you can find a picture of either when not
performing when they don't have a cigarette in their hands. Then bring out
their obituaries.
Bill Lukesh
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Subject: NN: Working in Corners
From: Michael Wilt (mwilt@smp.org>
Griffsters--
Here I come, out of lurkdom, to comment on Robert Pugsley's question
about "Working in Corners." Robert wrote:
>"These city streets at five in the mornin'
>I would've stopped to phone you
>but I'm almost home
>At my back door
>there's a porch light that's shinin'
>I just don't mind livin' here by myself
>If I leave it on"
>Who, if she's living alone, would she stop to phone? At "five in
>the mornin'"?
First of all, I think I know why Robert's concerned about this "five in
the morning" question: Is that son of yours sleeping through the night
yet, Robert?
This is how this verse has always struck me--She's driving through the
city on her way to her outskirts home (porch light at the back door
signifies a non-city dwelling). The person she might call, who lives in
this city, is an erstwhile or on-again off-again lover, but the hour,
and the fact she's almost home, give her enough reason, or
rationalization, to avoid making contact. For me, this makes very
poignant the loneliness of her road life and the comfort provided by the
shining porch light of her empty home. And it certainly foreshadows many
of the "autobiographical" notes found in the songs on "Flyer."
Hey, did I ever tell y'all about the great Lyle Lovett concert I saw in
May? Lyle, with just Viktor Krauss on the big bass and John Hagen on
cello--an incredible trio show. Tonight I'm off to a MartyParty--Marty
Stuart, whose new album "The Pilgrim" has really grown on me lately. We
don't get much great live music in these here parts so I'm glad for the
opportunity.
See ya.
Michael Wilt
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Subject: NN: "Revisited" will not be visiting after all....
From: Annavedo@aol.com
My contact at the local music shop just phoned me to tell me "Revisited"
has been pulled from distribution on the 24th. I asked her if it was just
delayed and she said at first, she interpreted it that way, but she called
her wholesaler who told her no, it had been cancelled altogether!! Can this
be??? Does anyone have any info? HELP!! I just gotta hear "Disco Nanci"..
*Anne* cruisin'-along-in-that-Ford-Econoline Pinkerton
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Subject: (I think it was "Approaching Nanci" [BP]
From: nmrs@freeway.net
I've been a fan of Nanci for years but have only s*bscr*bed here for
maybe a year.
Last Fall, prior to the Odetta concert at the Ark in Ann Arbor, my
husband and I were having dinner at an Indian restaurant directly across
the street from the Ark. (I first must confess that I wanted to see
Odetta because I knew Nanci was in town and was hoping she'd show up.)
I was seated facing the door and almost fell off my seat when Nanci
walked in. She sort of had her coat collar up and was slinking on back
to a booth. She sat with a man and they seemed to be enjoying their
conversation. I naturally had to go to the ladies room to catch another
glimpse but my natural shyness and my feeling that she needed some
privacy prevented me from speaking...I also knew I was going to get her
to sign some books the next day.
Did I do the right thing? What do those of you who have met her think?
I guess I felt that she was being a private person at that moment and
that I would have been an intruder.
(And no, she wasn't smoking!)
Anne Pfluecke
How many Annes subscribe to nancinet? More than I have ever met with
the e at the end!
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Subject: NN: Re: ("Approaching Nanci")
From: Ron Crain (ron@arken.net>
>Did I do the right thing? What do those of you who have met her think?
>I guess I felt that she was being a private person at that moment and
>that I would have been an intruder.
>(And no, she wasn't smoking!)
>
>Anne Pfluecke
Anne, I feel you did the right thing, I would have respected her privacy.
If by chance she and I were standing in line somewhere (ie: she wasn't
busy), I would have spoken to her. I've always tried to give any
celebrities I've seen the courtesy of space. At the Villa Montalvo concert
on July 24th, My wife and I were hanging out during the end of Iris D's set
- back by the big mansion where the dressing rooms are. Watched Nanci come
out the side door with a security guy, hop into a golf cart type thing on
her way to back stage. I watched, didn't yell "HI", saw her comment to a
passerby that he had a nice shirt (a Nanci shirt (g>). I wasn't compelled
at all to approach her.
My wife on the other hand, will go up to anybody at anytime - I do get
embarrassed at times -but she just loves meeting celebrities. The result?
She's made close friends of a few big musicians and I've yet to meet Nanci.
Go figure.
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Subject: NN: Re: To approach or not approach Nanci in the real world
From: Amp7932@aol.com
Hey.
I live in Lexington, Ky. I have seen Nanci in concert live six times. She
is returning to Lexington (at the Kentucky Theatre) on October 14. Tickets
go on sale next Saturday, August 24. My brother and I are going to camp out
for prime seats.
Here's the interesting part. Every year there is an Art Fair in Lexington at
Woodland Park. This is a juried fair (my understanding is this is a big deal
and the Fair is a nationally known and respected event) There are artisans
from all over the country with just about any kind of art you can think of.
Two years ago I went into a booth where a woman had handpainted silk scarves,
ties, hats, and vests. They were absolutely beautiful. I bought a tie and a
scarf. We were chatting as she was taking care of the transaction and I
noticed on her business card that she was from Franklin, Tn. I casually
asked her if she knew Nanci Griffith and this woman looks up at me and says
she lives RIGHT across the street from her. This woman knew who Nanci was
but had never met her. She was somewhat familiar with her music and she told
me if I ever came to Franklin I could ring her up and visit and get a glimpse
at Nanci's house! She said there was a fence and gate surrounding Nanci's
property and she saw her coming and going.
Today was the first day of the Woodland Art Fair and I went. The woman from
Franklin was there again and I asked her if she still lived across the street
from Nanci. She cracked up laughing because she instantly recalled our
conversation from two years ago. She said that just recently she was at the
market and Nanci was in there shopping as well. They seemed to be
inadvertantly following each other and the woman landed right behind nanci in
the check out. She then approached nanci and asked her if she indeed was
nanci griffith. She said Nanci visibally stiffened as she replied yes.
(Possible psycho fan?) The woman then told Nanci that she lived across the
street from her and had always wanted to introduce herself to Nanci. She
said Nanci was delightful to talk to and was much taller than she thought she
would be.
Anyway, if I ever had the opportunity to meet nanci griffith it would
probably be in the top ten highlights of my life. However, I would never
invade her privacy if she were out in a public place (like a resturant) and
obviously conversing privately with whoever she was with. But, if she was in
a bar after a concert or in an environment where she was welcoming adoration
from fans I'd be in line!!
Nanci rocks!
Anne
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Subject: NN: Lyle Lovett anyone?/homesick
From: Tanya Marie Sanchez (tanyamsanchez@yahoo.com>
O.k., here goes. I won two tickets to go see Lyle Lovett at Deer
Valley (in the mountains near Salt Lake.) Anyone from this area
interested in going? The concert is Tuesday night. Email me and let
me know if there is a taker.
A bit of explanation:
After two months I am still a fish out of water here in Utah. This
place sure ain't New Orleans. The Salt Lake isn't the Ponchartrain and
Temple Square is a world away from Jackson Square. But the mountains
are breathtaking and I suppose that you have to give a town longer than
60 days before you give up on it. My brother says that being from New
Orleans makes it harder to move elsewhere. He should know, but I
suppose it feels the same for everyone around the world who leaves
their hometown.
I think I would benefit from not listening to "Car Wheels on a Gravel
Road" so much. I never imagined that I would feel nostaglia for
Slidell, but Lucinda Williams brought it out of me. "I'm going to go
to Slidell to find my joy...." Great lyric! And if I didn't hear that
commercial about the restaurant here that serves "authentic" Lousiana
food, I might not dream about crawfish boils so much. Nah, dreams
about crawfish are inevitable I think. I already dreamed about them
back home when they were out of season. I love crawfish I do.
So basically, what we've got here is a slightly homesick girl, who has
managed to not meet one musically kindred spirit in SLC, who is
wondering if a kind soul from the NanciNet (who also happens to live in
the valley) would like to go see Lyle Lovett with her.
Sorry for the lack of Nanci content.
Tanya
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Subject: NN: trade?
From: Andy Gaskell (agaskell@kopite.demon.co.uk>
I'm trying to get hold of a copy of Love Affairs In A Foreign Town but
can't find anywhere selling it.
Anyone out there prepared to trade a copy of Love Affairs In A Foreign
Town for a copy of Sound Of Loneliness?
Andy
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Subject: NN: A message from an impressionable youngster
on nanci's smoking habits
From: "jenny.frog" (jenny.frog@virgin.net>
somebody, i honestly forget who, was mistaken when they said:
> ((2. As an entertainer, Nanci has to accept the fact that she is a role model to
> some people. She chose that role when she decided to be an entertainer, and has
> a responsibility to her fans, especially her younger ones, to act in an
> intelligent and responsible manner. I feel so sad when I see so many of our
> young people with the corporate death stick in their mouth. >>
OK,
i have to dive in here. i AM one of your young people, one of her
younger fans and nanci IS a role model. she has taught me so much i
can't find words to express it...
Nanci has taken so much responsibility for the children of the 90s.
we've grown up hearing 'it's a hard life' and had the message to love
one another drummed into our heads so hard that i can't hear anything
else...we've been taught how to dream from the hard-earned, hear-worn
lines that fill up the pages of her liner notes and the melodies to
these lines have given our feet something to dance to and our hearts
memories to find refuge in. our wings to fly and our place to be.
Nanci has taken responsiblity and shown intelligence enough to realise
that we are the ones she has to teach songs to in order for them to
live. what i have learnt from the other voices projects i will always
carry around with me...knowledgea dn understanding of the history of
where we are today...
...i thank you for all of this nanci and i really don't care whether or
not you did it between cigarettes...if you've taught me one thing, it's
to have a mind of my own and therefore i can form my own views...
jenny*
*I am a child of the nineties
when dreams are held on our screens
we have maya and jack
and nanci griffith
and i BELIEVE, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE*
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Subject: NN: Two long-tailed cats
From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>
I've never considered artists as models for morality. It's just not
a smart idea. (Keith Richards, George Jones, etc.) On smoking, one
cannot appreciate how addictive those little things are. I started
smoking in 1955, and finally quit last November. It was the most
difficult thing I ever accomplished. What is worse is that the
craving never ever *really* goes away. Consider these things when
you criticize the habit. Many of us started when it was politically
correct and there were no health warnings on the packs. Rather than
models for morality, consider artists as mirrors for reflection.
As for discussions on the personal life of artists, I have to
fully agree with BP on this one. They too often tend to degenerate
into rumor and innuendo. I care about Nanci's music and poetry and
nothing else. (Well maybe hamburgers, horsepower, family, fishing,
and a few other items.)
Ed Maier
NP Kim Richey's Glimmer (wow!)
// OKAY!! CAn we leave this subject, now!!!
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