NanciNet Digest 9-02-99
// A little more on the remix CD, a tad of discussion about old
// Starland Vocal Band albums, discussion about Nanci and the LSO,
// and Lukesh considers what to say if you meet Nanci...
// Enjoy...[BP]
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Subject: NN: re: club names in Remixes
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:40:08 EDT
From: HHHoliday@aol.com
Yes, Arena and Twilo are both dance clubs in NYC-- and frankly, not the kind
of places Nanci or NG fans are likely to be caught in! Hard to believe
they're listening to these remixes there (picture a Leonardo DiCaprio-type
crowd.)
What a strange album this seems to be; don't know that I'll spend my time or
money on it. But I look forward to DBS, and beyond.
Holly H.
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Subject: NN: Our "Revisited" Reviews
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:48:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Clive Dawson (clive.dawson@amd.com>
Hi John,
I just received the latest issue of the NanciNet Digest with both of our
"Revisited" reviews side by side. Amazing!
How is it possible that we both chose to note so many of the same
little details, like the origin of the cover photo, the basson [sic]
misspelling, the shortened St. Teresa title, a reference to
over-producing of LNGH, etc.? We both even used the same closing:
"Cheers".
Anyway, I just thought I'd assure you and the other NNetters that this
really is a remarkable coincidence, rather than something more
questionable. As a Digest subscriber, I didn't see your review until
about 10 minutes ago!
Clive "Doo-doo-dee-doo, doo-doo-dee-doo..." Dawson
Austin, TX
P.S. You mentioned a couple of spots in Track 4 where the sound
glitches out. If you're talking about the slight hiccups at 0:59 and
1:42, then my CD has them too. I'm not sure I would have even noticed
if you hadn't mentioned them.
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Subject: NN: Re: Our "Revisited" Reviews
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:35:36 EDT
From: HenryJG@aol.com
Clive, cc: NanciNet
I'm also a digest subscriber and just saw our reviews side by side for the
first time. As I read yours, I was thinking the same thing about how similar
it was to mine! Most of the similarities in our reviews are all things only
the truly dedicated (obsessed?) Nanci fan would notice! And I'm sure a lot
of it has to do with what they say about great minds thinking alike. ; )
Yes, the glitches you mentioned are exactly where they are on mine. I
thought I heard a third one after the one at 1:42, but when I went back to
listen again just now I couldn't find it.
And be sure to hang on to your copy of "Revisited"--I saw an advance copy
sell for over $100 on Ebay.
John
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Subject: NN: Remix Again - A Question of Conscience
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:48:35 EDT
From: Catelaw@aol.com
Hi y'all --
I'm back, but still contemplating many things, wondrous and tragic. I
thought of many of you during my travels and since, and in a grand sort of
way, the roles you played to make my journey what it became, both as
individuals and as a group. My kindest thanks for your expressions of
comfort on the sudden passing of my brother. I've been trying to gather
myself to write, but the muse has not been demanding written words, and I
haven't been pushing her.
However,
Someone wrote:
> And be sure to hang on to your copy of "Revisited"--I saw an advance copy
> sell for over $100 on Ebay.
>
I'm so over the whole remix thing that I've only half-heartedly followed this
thread as a matter of intellectual curiosity. But this one set off my
personal huh? meter. Obviously, people have a right to buy and sell in the
free market, no question. However, given the inherent inequities of
reward/return to the artist in the music industry and out of respect for
Nanci Griffith, this speculation seems, at a minimum, icky. ("Icky" is a
legal ethics term of art. Yes, I know that "legal ethics" is an oxymoron.)
But perphaps my "icky-meter" is skewed by my own state of mind -- ALWAYS
within the realm of possibility. If that's the case, mea culpa in advance.
And I know there's been some Ebay discussion in the past, but I just frankly
can't remember the outcome.
Or perhaps it's an assumption on the NanciNet with respect to
Ebay-speculation that the recipient of any such windfall would automatically
donate the proceeds or at least a portion of the proceeds to breast cancer
research, the Organ Transplant Fund (see, e.g.,
http://www.cruzio.com/~billpeet/MusicByCandlelight/main.htm) or some other
equally worthy cause of his/her choosing. If that is an underlying
assumption, again, mea culpa.
Or perhaps is just my natural aversion to disco, which by any other name
would reek as foul. Mea maximus culpa.
Donning my white-fringed, flame-retardant jumpsuit, but very fragile in these
mornings,
Cate, in Atlanta
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Subject: RE: NN: Re: Western Wall (Starland Vocal Band)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:53:07 -0400
From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>
John Cambre asked:
> Was "American Tune" a cover of the Paul Simon composition?
I don't rightly know, I don't have the album, but I do have access to many
library databases where I can pull off information. I have actually found
two more albums that they put out, Late Nite Radio in 1978 on the Windsong
label, the songs listed are:
Late nite radio -- Don't go to Oregon -- The man who couldn't get away --
Akron -- Fly away -- Write your life -- Third rate romance -- Everyman --
Please Ms. Newslady -- Friends with you.
The other album is called 4 X 4, released in 1980, and the playlist is:
Loving you with my eyes -- A fool in love -- Apartment for rent -- Baby sent
a letter -- Everybody la bamba -- Love, I thought I would never find love --
Love stuff -- If you're good to me -- Down at the hop -- You're gonna make
me lonesome when you go.
I wonder how that Dylan song sounds. Also, the name Milton Okun seems to pop
up with the scores of their music. Is this name familiar to anyone here?
Roman
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Subject: RE: NN: Re: Western Wall
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:40:38 -0600 (MDT)
From: bateman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
"Milton Okun...": Milt Okun was a record producer active in the sixties
and early seventies. He may still be active, I don't know. He worked with
Tom Paxton, The Chad Mitchell Trio and many other acts (Peter, Paul and
Mary?).
Rob Bateman
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Western Wall
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:32:28 -0500
From: Bill Page (bpage@itol.com>
bateman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> "Milton Okun...": Milt Okun was a record producer active in the sixties
> and early seventies.
Milt Okun also worked a lot with a guy named John Denver...
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Western Wall but now wandering towards Colorado.
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:35:31 +0100
From: "Pollock, Stuart (S.J.)" (spolloc2@ford.com>
I was just wondering who would link Milt Okun, The Starland Vocal Band and
John Denver first.
Bill & Taffy Danoff contributed to/wrote quite a few of JD's early songs,
what I thought was cute was "watching" them marry between albums. On one
album (can't remember which) they were credited as Bill Danoff and Taffy
Nivert and on the next release they had become one and were credited as Bill
& Taffy Danoff. Milt Okun was still around for a JD tribute in Jan 98 see
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Chuck_Morse/con98fri.htm if you're
interested.
There's a moral to this story time.
JD was playing the Royal Albert Hall the Monday before my wedding 2 years
past Easter time.
Being the dedicated idiot that I was at the time I decided that staying at
work till 9pm was much more important than going to a concert, especially
when I would be on honeymoon for the following 2 weeks.
The following October the news came over the radio, kinda put my working
till 9pm crap into perspective (don't do that anymore).
Moral of the story - JUST DO IT - Dont put it off, you never know what's
around the corner.
Hey this is my first NN post, not a single mention of Nanci - now where is
that FAQ/posting advice sheet - sorry for the ramble.
regards
stuart
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Subject: NN: Re: Costello
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:27:35 -0500
From: "Hank Van Slyke" (chevelle@pnx.com>
Hi, Netters!
I saw Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach on Sessions at West 54th Street
about a month ago, and a week later Lyle Lovett was on there. Both were
excellent.
I am looking forward to finding a CD of Nanci's Dustbowl Symphony. I bet
Village Records has a few.
I am proud to announce that we have another Nanci fan, someone who had
never heard of her but liked her as soon as I gave a tape with "Little Love
Affairs" and "Last Of The True Believers" on it. Now she wants a copy of
everything I've got, so I better quit typing and get busy. Should I tell
her there are some videos too? ;-)
Hank "I wish it would rain more than a teardrop's worth" Van Slyke
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Subject: NN: Article on Austin
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:30:35 EDT
From: MMcLean7@aol.com
If you would like to read a good article on where to go and what to do in
Austin, including enjoying the Austin music scene, go to
http://www.delta-sky.com/sky/stories/story.htm and click on the young lady in
the cowboy hat. There is, of course, a passing mention of Nanci in the
article. And, yes, I am biased as to how good this article is since I am the
managing editor of the magazine.
Mickey McLean
Greensboro, NC
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Subject: NN: Treat in store
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 19:57:01 +0100
From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>
While all the debate about great songwriters rages on around me, those of
you who live in Texas, or nearby (is anywhere near Texas?), have a treat
in store. The great VINCE BELL is playing four dates in the lone star
state.
Thursday 30 September Gypsy Tea Rooms - Dallas
Friday 1 October The Old Quarter - Galveston
Saturday 2 October Anderson Fair - Houston
Monday 4 October La Zona Rose - Austin
If you are anywhere near any of these venues, do yourselves a favour, get
along and see the man who has released the best cd of 1999 so far, "Texas
Plates". I guarantee no one will be disappointed. I only wish I could be
in Texas at that time, but England is a long way away!!!!
John "keeping y'all informed" Graveling.
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Subject: NN: replies, revisited and re-visits
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:34:31 +0100 (BST)
From: "Robert Pugsley" (RMP6@leicester.ac.uk>
Hello all,
I sent Nanci a badge last year, I really didn't really expect an answer.
Sure a little handwritten thank you note from Nanci would have been nice but
given there was a little bit of expense involved an acknowledgement
from her management that it had arrived would have been good...
incidentally it had "ladies for lbj" on it so if anyone sees her wearing this
I'd like to know!
re: revisited - my bid of $30 on Ebay was beaten while I was on holiday
so I don't know how much it went for. But as a big disco/house fan I'd love
to hear this album I've checked out some record shops locally but no-one's seen
it (or heard of it even!). I know she is all very immoral but if anyone wants
to tape it for me I will pay them well! I'll even send nanci a few dollars in
royalties...
Lastly, Albert Hall! Cannot wait, saw nanci there a few years ago one of the
gigs of my life, partner in full blubbing mode throughout, I myself somewhat
misty eyed...now with a full orchestra it's going to be great...
Is someone phoned Albert Hall daily to find out when it is? Do they have a
website? I'll check that now.
Sorry to ramble.
Robert "dancing queen" Pugsley
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Subject: Re: NN: replies, revisited and re-visits
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:01:26 EDT
From: MreenParr@aol.com
Dear Robert and all,
>Is someone phoned Albert Hall daily to find out when it is?(
What's happened to your grammar, Robert? :-)
I went to the Royal Albert yesterday to get a ticket for Lyle Lovett and I
asked about Nanci and the LSO. They were *very* helpful at the box office
(must have been trained in America!) and, despite the long queues forming
behind me, they went to a great deal of effort, looking at list after list,
both on the computer and hard copies. But they have NO indication that Nanci
will be here anytime soon. They asked about my information sources and
accepted that Internet info is often on the ticket (pardon the pun) and the
best they could say was that perhaps the dates hadn't been confirmed. But
they had no *unconfirmed* bookings, either.
I'll keep making myself a nuisance until we get some definite info and you
will be the first to know!
Maureen Parr
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Subject: NN: 1983 Interview
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:11:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: douggo@kfwbmail.com
Hi Everyone,
It has been awhile since I've had a chance to be with you so I don't know
if this was brought up. Last Sunday on KPFK radio, here in Los Angeles, an
interview was replayed with Nanci from 1983, just before Once In A Very Blue
Moon came out. It was this interview that first introduced me to her music so
it was gret to hear it again. There were some good stories that I had long
forgotten. While she was married to Eric Taylor, her Dad submitted one of her
songs to a song writing competition, but he being "the proper sort of person he
is" submitted it under the name of Nanci Taylor. One of the people involved
with the competition had a hard
time locating a song writer by that name. It was a very entertaining show. I
hope those of you in LA, caught it.
Doug from LA
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Subject: NN: What to say when you talk to Nanci.
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:54:06 -0700
From: Mark Mecham (markme@microsoft.com>
It was a John Prine concert back in '87 I believe when I first got hooked on
Nanci G. She was opening for Mr Prine in Seattle. Since then, I have
attended 10 or more NG concerts and had the privilege to chat with Hooker
and Nanci briefly after 4 or so shows. My advice would be to first
understand that these people put in long hard days and they are genuinely
tired after these shows. I do keep this in mind and usually don't say things
like "I really love your songs". What I try and do is bring up something
that is interesting to them rather than the obvious fan type stuff. I have
found that seems to work best. As for not responding to her fan mail like a
couple people mentioned, my response would be that there aren't enough hours
in a day.
Mark Mecham
Seattle, Wa.
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Subject: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: odddduck@deltanet.com (Bill Lukesh)
>My advice would be to first
>understand that these people put in long hard days and they are genuinely
>tired after these shows. I do keep this in mind and usually don't say things
>like "I really love your songs". What I try and do is bring up something
>that is interesting to them rather than the obvious fan type stuff.
I totally agree. I thought I would also add how I would adapt some of my
tried and true celebrity 'smooging' techniques on chance meeting with Nanci
after a concert.
Remember you never get a second chance to make a first impression. So
instead of waiting right outside the stage door like some low life
devotional fan, take a step back into the shadows. Allow her to exit
completely perhaps even take a few steps before making your presence
known. Because of the time of night, its very important early on to let her
know that you are a fan and not a thief or worse. So the First words should
be her name. Speak in a strong direct voice and say her name at least twice
without pause. "Nanci Griffith, Nanci Griffith'.
When she answers, The best thing to do is try to not to get nervous. I
find fanning my face with my hands and saying "Omigod, omigod' under my
breath is just the ticket to nip a case of the 'star struck heebee jeebees'
in the bud.
Before asking the big question "Can I have your autograph?" Take a bit to
get her to know you. A good start is the hardships or adversities that
evening that made it hard for you to attend that concert. Perhaps you had
to travel a long distance, or your car broke down and you had to take the
bus. Are you suffering any maladies? You could even bring up a permanent
disability. The best case would sound something like this: "I came all the
way here from Bodunk on bus, had to transfer three times, with my Clubfoot
and all, (pointing down) just to listen to my angel." More realistically,
perhaps you have a slight case Shingles or the Gout. Perhaps you could get
lucky and come down with a case of "Morton's Toe' and you could show her
the toenails that peeled off during the concert as proof of your pain. If
you are a woman you might even be able to get away with that old standby
'heavy cramping', I'm sure she would understand. A great combination of
bloating and losing toenails would certainly hit her soft spot.
Now its best to pull out the visual aids. Show her pictures of the pets
or children you've named after her or one her songs. Perhaps you created an
art project at the local adult education center based on something she once
said. You could even go so far as present her with a handmade ashtray in the
shape of a Ford Econolyne or a Macrame plant hanger for those blue bonnets
she loves so much , remember its better to give than receive.
Now for that autograph. Its really gauche these days to actually own an
autograph album, I suggest something a little more 'down home' or 'rustic',
perhaps you can find a moist cocktail napkin in you pants pocket. I can
usually find an old drug store receipt or part of a taco bell bag if I look
under my car seat.
Obviously you don't want to look like your one of those people who need
autographs, so have her sign it to some moniker and claim its for a niece
or nephew. A college nickname like 'Sticky' or 'Puddles' works well. If you
are a man and overweight 'love handles' might be appropriate. your favorite
Pokeman like "Mankey' or 'Squirtle' would show her that you remain hip to
the current fads. You could even go so far as a literary figure you closely
identify with like "Gatsby" or "Tosca". I would chose "Joseph K.".
As she's signing it, you might want to make some feel good small talk.
Something like "I just love that Bette Midler song you do" Or "Do you know
Dwight Yoakam?"
She's probably very tired so it best to leave her be at this point. But
you do want her to know that you appreciate the time she has spent with
you. So screech "I got it, I got it... " as you disappear quickly into the
dark and lonely night.
Bill 'putting 'atic' back on the 'fan', Lukesh
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Subject: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kenn Lippert (lippert@fyi.net>
Thanks Bill. Guess I blew it when I just asked her if she wanted to have
sex.
kenn "Even if she spelled remember wrong" lippert
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Subject: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:46:28 EDT
From: MreenParr@aol.com
odddduck@deltanet.com writes:
> "I just love that Bette Midler song you do"(
Now wouldn't that make a great thread? Tongue-in-cheek tips for how (not) to
approach your fave artists.
Thanks, Bill, for a great post.
Maureen Parr
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Subject: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:57:34 -0500
From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>
Bill Lukesh wrote:
>
> tried and true celebrity 'smooging' techniques on chance meeting with Nanci
> after a concert.
BIG snip...
> So screech "I got it, I got it... " as you disappear quickly into the
> dark and lonely night.
> Bill 'putting 'atic' back on the 'fan', Lukesh
Hysterical and all too true sometimes I suspect, Bill. Thanks for the
smile this afternoon.
Sarah
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Subject: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>
--- Kenn Lippert (lippert@fyi.net> wrote:
> Guess I blew it when I just asked her
> if she wanted to have
> sex.
Yes, the etiquette is ALWAYS wait for the performing artist to suggest
sex upon a casual meeting; he or she will assume automatically that
you're available.
Reid "famous etiquette book" Mitchell
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Subject: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:46:31 -0500
From: Ed Maier (eddie@flash.net>
Bill Lukesh wrote:
>
(snip>
That's the funniest thing I've read since the parody on *One Blade Shy
Of A Sharp Edge*. Now I gotta get the spewed coffee outta the keyboard
and off the monitor and wall.
Eddie
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Subject: Fwd: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>
I was so taken by oddduck's advice I forward it to Lee Satterfield.
Here's her response.
> Yes. That will work very well. Especially if they
> enjoy dating prison guards.
>
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: NN: Tips for a chance meeting
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: odddduck@deltanet.com (Bill Lukesh)
>I was so taken by oddduck's advice I forward it to Lee Satterfield.
>Here's her response.
>
>
>> Yes. That will work very well. Especially if they
>> enjoy dating prison guards.
>>
>
Actually its very hard for a celebrity to get a stalker jailed. Just ask
Kelly Willis, I would say more but I might violate that pesky court order
she had taken out.
Bill Lukesh
PS My travel book "Getting them to speak English" should be out before
next summer. Its filled with tips like how starting every sentence with
"I'M AN AMERICAN...." gets them to hop to it. and why you shouldn't eat
anything you don't recognize.
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Subject: NN: Those hysterical "tips"...
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:08:17 EDT
From: Annavedo@aol.com
I just don't know when I've laughed so hard; truly LAUGHED OUT LOUD to myself
at my computer! Bill, Ken [sic] and all the responders were so witty.....let's
have more moments of jocularity, shall we?
Bill, you forgot the one thing most entertainers LOVE to hear from their
loyallest fans: "don't you remember me from the concert in Po-dunk, Illinois?
I was the one in the third row with the NanciNet T-shirt on!"
*Anne*
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Subject: NN: Arlo and Nanci
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:19:35 +0400
From: Kevin and Diane Gray (houndogs@micoks.net>
Just got my Rolling Blunder Review, Arlo Guthrie's newsletter.
He writes, "Jennifer Warnes called me up a few weeks ago and
said she had been waiting more than twenty years to record
Patriot's Dream. I went to Pasedena, CA, to sing along with her
as she brought an old song to life. She sings and looks as
beautiful as ever. It was such a joy. Not since Nanci Griffith
asked me to sing with her on Townes Van Zandt's song
"Tecumseh Valley" had I had so much fun. I love singing along
with people. Especially with wonderfully talented beautiful...
It's good to be a folksinger."
If anyone's interested in the Rolling Blunder Review or the
Church, check out Arlo's sight at ArloNet.
Kevin
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