// More discussion of the new CD, and some children of the 90s
// announce a new opportunity for our junior members...
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Hoopla
   Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:38:48 -0700
   From: Joseph Blau (jblau@mbay.net>

Sue Peete wrote:

> It's interesting reading. Especially...the part where Nanci answers the
> question about what's next after Dustbowl, "It'll be a new Nanci
> Griffith album, with no hoopla," she says with some humor. 

Here here!  Too much hoopla is a good synopsis of Nanci's recent albums.
I too am looking forward to the NEW NEW album.  In the meantime, I'll keep
listening to Kate Campbell... her latest album, Rosaryville, is great!

 - Joe

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Subject: NN: Re: Re: Re: Dustbowl Pictures
   Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:40:55 -0700
   From: "Julie" (julie-anne@home.com>

What about the gorgeous pictures of Nanci in the DBS liner notes?  Wow.  How
does this woman keep getting more beautiful every year?  Look at her all
dressed up in an evening gown, beads and strappy heels.  Here's a lady who
knows how to dress for a symphony show.

I actually like some of NG's songs better on this album.  I think this
version of Waiting For Love is far and away better.  And the incarnation of
Wing And The Wheel.  This one always seemed unfinished to me, but the new
verses complete it and personalize it so beautifully.  I heard NG perform it
on the OVOR tour in L.A. on the eve of the second Rodney King verdict.
Nanci dedicated her performance of W&W that night to the people of L.A. with
a wish for peace (no rioting).  She moved the audience and closed the show
with it.  It was a beautiful moment (though we still hightailed it back to
San Diego lest we get stuck in L.A.)  This summer I heard her perform it
with the new verses, taking its place as my most memorable NG concert moment
(even above San Diego Serenade on the Flyer tour).  That night this summer
the moon shone high over the audience, the Big Dipper hung just above the
stage, the stars were shining in the West over the ocean, and Nanci sang her
heart out.  She closed the show with it again (thank goodness for the curfew
at the venue or the moment would have been shattered by Battlefield).  I was
stunned by her performance of the new verses, an even better performance of
that song than on this album.  And Hooker's piano playing was smoking.  He
smoked everyone off the stage during that encore (including Nanci).

There is much to enjoy and admire on this new album, but my favorite track,
the one I cannot stop listening to over and over, is Drops From The Faucet.
I am so taken with NG's performance, the lyrics, the music.  It's about time
she recorded a song you can make love to.  Go ahead, use that repeat track
button on the stereo.

I know, I know, there's young'uns on the list.

Julie "just like that man I can never say no to, I'm gonna regret this in
the morning"

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Subject: NN: RE: disco (again, sorry!)
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:51:52 +0100
   From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>

I don't want to go on about this as it's a bit (a bit!) off topic but... 
Tracy wrote that she didn't feel that disco was real music. To which I have to
say you've not been listening to the right stuff!  Any number of great
disco/dance records feature real people playing real instruments.  Just listen
to the rhythm sections on records by Chic and be amazed by the playing.  Even
what some people might regard as the absolute nadir of music, Stayin' Alive by
the BeeGees, has the most fantastic... erm... groove (I sound sooooo 70s...),
created again, I think, by the Chic team. As I said I don't think Revisited
will turn anyone on dance music, it's just not good enough. Instead I'd start
with something by the Salsoul
Orchestra or the Ohio Players or Isaac Hayes (oh yes, he did disco) or (more up
to date) Faze Action. Before you know it you'll be listening to Armand Van
Helden or Daft Punk and wondering  what you were missing...

All the best

Robert "I used to be a punk rocker" Pugsley
Next week...just why is bagpipe music neglected...

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Subject: NN: Dustbowl Pictures
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:39:49 EDT
   From: "Tracy Applebaum" (poohbear512@hotmail.com>

What about the gorgeous pictures of Nanci in the DBS liner notes?  Wow.  How 
does this woman keep getting more beautiful every year?  Look at her all 
dressed up in an evening gown, beads and strappy heels.  Here's a lady who 
knows how to dress for a symphony show.

I had the exact same reaction, Julie.  WOW!  I also wondered, though, about 
that picture on the 3rd page of the liner notes, the one where she's in a 
restaurant, apparently, with a cup of coffee.  It's just so much more casual 
than the others, which I'm NOT complaining about at all, but I do wonder, if 
she was trying to send a message, like, "same old Nanci" or something, even 
though she's with a symphony.  Or am I reading way too much into it?

Tracy

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Subject: NN: Having to Wait
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:20:09 -0400
   From: nmrs@freeway.net

It's just not fair!  Those of us who live a bit apart from civilization
have to wait for DSB!  I will have to make a special trip just to
purchase this and hopefully can find the OV2 video.  Does anyone know if
Borders carries both????   I love Nanci so much that I bet I will be one
of those who can't take it out of the CD player.  I can hear my daughter
now "Mooom...do you have to listen to that again?"  Oh well.

Another thread from some time back:  someone commenting on Cheryl
Wheeler's bad mood when things went wrong during a concert.  I saw her a
year or so ago under conditions that probably were disappointing to
her.  I live in Northern Michigan and even though her performance got
publicity the concert was not very well attended.  But I felt that she
put on a great a performance for this handful of people as she would of
for a regular audience.  She was warm and witty and in terrific voice.
Maybe she likes the smaller, more intimate venues.  I know that we
bought her CDs right then and there and so did just about everyone in
the audience.  I thought that her show was just the right balance
between humor and good music.  I'd go see her again for sure.

Another change of subject:  what are people thinking about the
Ronstadt/Harris album
"Western Wall"?  I am interested in that one, too.

Thanks!
Anne

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Subject: NN: Nanci on a new anthology
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:09:58 EDT
   From: Petop@aol.com

Thought I would pass along the following item I received yesterday:

Hello to Everyone:
Just wanted you all to know that the FolkScene Collection Volume 2 will be
out on Red House Records Oct 19th..The folks featured on it are Vince Gill,
Tom Waits, Greg Brown, Nanci Griffith, Stan Rogers, Lucinda Williams, Peter
Case, Stephen Fearing, Eliza Gilkyson, Tom Russell, Patty Larkin, Chris
Hillman & Jim Lauderdale.  We are all real proud of this one & the first one
too. So look for it.

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Subject: NN: ohhhhhhhh myyyyyyyy........
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:26:10 EDT
   From: Annavedo@aol.com

   I am only halfway through "Trouble In These Fields" on the Dustbowl 
Symphony CD, and I had to sign on and write to you, my "friends" on the 
NN.....
   "...it felt like hearing the earth touch the sky"....  I don't know where 
these emotions in me come from, but i can't see the keyboard right now, for 
the tears in my eyes.  I think this is the way Nanci's music was meant to be 
heard.

*Anne*

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Subject: NN: New Video and CD
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:34:42 -0400
   From: James_Troiano@umit.maine.edu (James Troiano)

Hi folks: I just want to say that I love the new CD and want to thank
fellow fans for their insightful comments about it. Mike Chesman's cut
by cut analysis was particularly helpful. I bought several copies so I
could have one everywhere. The music grew on me and I could not get
enough of it. It is a little difficult for some to accept the
orchestral arangemnts, but as a local music expert told me "somemone
seemed to really know what he or she was doing in producing the
record." Some reviewers tend to categorize  or pigeon hold and thus
have difficulty accepting Nanci with any orchestra. Apparently she has
been a headache for some for a long time. As the great John Stewart
once said: "People don't know what they like, but they like what they
know," as he captures the frustration in attempting to present
something new. The arrangement comes as a surprise and could people
off, but after several listens  one is hooked. I must confess that
Mike's letter was so helpful that I was hooked a lot faster than that. 
         

 The video is a terrific view of our hero in concert: she has all the
passion and emotion I remember when I changed from Nanci fan to fanatic
when I first saw her in Cohasset, Mass. for the Flyer tour.  In the OV2
video, she is surely enjoying herself and demonstrates her deep
feelings for her fellow artists. This admiration she has for others as
well as her talent and enthusiasm are why she is so beloved by
colleagues.  Finally I want to thank Nanci for allowing us to share her
dreams with her as she sings in the new verses of "Wing and the Wheel":
 " I was a small child with a big dream."  Jim Troiano.

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Subject: Re: NN: New Video and CD
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:38:54 -0400
   From: Mike Chesman (chesman@preferred.com>

>Hi folks: I just want to say that I love the new CD and want to thank
>fellow fans for their insightful comments about it. Mike Chesman's cut
>by cut analysis was particularly helpful.

   Thanks, Jim, for the encouraging words... that's the first in depth
commentary I've ever attempted for anything, let alone something I respect
as much as Nanci's music.  I wasn't sure what the reaction from
Nancinetter's would be.  
   I sat on the review until the day prior to release and it was killing me
'cause I wanted to talk about the album for the last month but didn't want
to spoil it for those that didn't have access to an early promo...  by the
way, I did buy the commercial release from Bill Lavery and Village Records
(shameless plug) when it came out to make sure Nanci and the gang got the
money they deserve. 
   Tonight I can sit back and get my first look at the Other Voices, Too
video.  From all the comments it sounds like it will be a real treat.

Mike

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Subject: NN: Sandy Denny
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:29:47 +0100
   From: "Paul Castle" (pdcmusic@freeuk.com>

A well-known English DJ, John Peel is currently doing a series on
the 'History of Folk' on BBC Radio 2 in the UK.  This week's show
mainly concentrated on Fairport Convention (from '68 up to Leige &
Leif in '69) and included an interview with Nanci talking about the
extraordinary effect for her, growing up way out on the plains of Texas,
on hearing Sandy Denny's voice for the first time. She said,

"I think I was maybe 12 or 13 years old and I was out in West Texas on my
Grandparent's farm, listening to FM radio, late at night.  It was a voice
that of course was very 'foreign' for me  -  it was so dark and just so
incredible and totally unlike everything that had influenced me, from Buddy
Holly and the Crickets to Woodie Guthrie.  I mean it was 'totally' different
and has just a special part in my heart.  I think that's why, when I first
turned onto Dolores Keane's music, it made such an impact on me
because it reminded me of that moment of first hearing Sandy Denny's
voice."

As someone raised on a farm in a small Oxfordshire village in England,
a million miles away from those Texas plains, I love it that we share that
experience, along with so many people throughout the world.

Paul in London

PS Must be somethin' 'bout those farm boys and girls!

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Subject: Re: NN: Sandy Denny
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:47:51 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Kenn Lippert (lippert@fyi.net>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Paul Castle wrote:

> A well-known English DJ, John Peel is currently doing a series on
...
> 
> "I think I was maybe 12 or 13 years old and I was out in West Texas on my
> Grandparent's farm, listening to FM radio, late at night.  It was a voice
...

Hmmm.  1954 + 12 or 13 = 1966 or 1967.  FM Radio in West Texas in 1967??
Who's better able than me to remember 1967 clearly?

Guess without any hills, ravines, or tunnels AM could sound almost as good
as FM.

kenn "down the road with the radio on (FM)" lippert

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Subject: RE: NN: Sandy Denny
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Ken, [sic]
I didn't grow up in Texas, so I wouldn't be familiar with that state,but FM
radio was alive and well in Boston in the 60's. I'm not a radio historian,
maybe someone on this list can confirm how far FM stations go back, but I
remember by the mid 60's you could purchase FM radios as part of
stereo/hi-fi systems in places like Radio Shack and tune into FM stations.
During the mid 60's in the Boston area, FM was mainly the home of classical
music stations. This all changed around 1967-1968 as a wave of rock and
alternative stations opened up on the FM band. FM allowed for greater
quality sound, as well as stereo broadcasting, something which was new and
exciting back then. One of the main radio stations that emerged in Boston
during that time was called WBCN, Peter Wolf, of future J. Geils fame, was
one of the DJ's. 
I don't see why Nanci couldn't be listening to FM radio back in 1967, unless
there just weren't any stations. 
Just my 2 cents worth.
Roman P

"Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et
fructuosis potiri potes!"

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Subject: NN: A Unique NG Experience
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:24:04 -0400
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

Hey folks-

In my fifteen years as an NG fan, yesterday was the first time I ever
had the opportunity to buy two new recordings on the same day. My
initial reaction to DBS was almost as emotional as Anne's. The first two
cuts on this new CD are among my personal top five favorites, and I
think these orchestral versions sound great.

Some random trivial observations:

In TDIAOB, Nanci appears to be trying out her Dylan impersonation on the
phrase "a heavy toll".

In IAHLWYG, the lyrics in the liner notes spell the driver's name
"Shamus", but I always thought the Irish name pronounced that way was
spelled "Seamus". Do we have any Irish folks on the list who can tell us
whether this distinction is important?

In the OV II video, I was glad to hear Nanci talk about her Scottish
ancestry. She's taken such an interest in Ireland over the years that
the other British Isles must feel a little neglected. My own ancestors
hail from the Atholl Highlands- near the modern day Perth, and just a
few miles down the road to Aberdeen.

Speaking of Scots, whatever happened to the Scottish NanciNetter who
shares my last name? Are you still out there, Ian?

I'm going to have to hunt for some of Odetta's recordings. Her rendition
of "Kumbaya" was a much better demonstration of her vocal power than the
earlier video's "Wimoweh".

Hidin' Out in the Georgia Pines-
Wishin' It Would Rain,
Steve Robertson

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Subject: NN: Hi you all
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:06:28 -0400
   From: Rob Schrull (RSchrull@gbla.com>

Hi Folks:

Well, haven't received my stuff from Gold Mountain to update Nanci's site
yet with all the new stuff happening, but did receive this email (below)
from them . Pretty nice heh?

Hope you all are doing great.  I miss this community, but I've been so
involved in my work (which is turning out to be great fun), with things
like Elk, Arabian Horses, and lots of exciting stuff.

Later taters,
Rob

Subject: nanci's album is kicking it at amazon

hi  i went to amazon.com to check on one of our author's books ranking 
and nanci's cd is at 22!  That is incredible, outselling almost all the 
bestselling books on a book site!  You might already know this, but in case 
you didn't, it is great news!

best,
the publishing mills audiobooks

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Subject: Re: NN: MM, D.I.S.C.O., DBS
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
   From: TROY ADAM ROEPKE (hhelen@sfsu.edu>

> It is awesome too. We did have a MM fan here not long ago, Troy
> where are you when we need your opinion most?  (He was quite a
> disco fan too, I'd like to have heard his take on "revisited").  While we're
> on the subject just what is people 'hate' about discodance music?

Greetings to all! Yes, I am still here for another day. I have not been
paying much attention 'cause I just finished my MA in marine biology last
Friday and have been recovering ever sense. Unfortunately, this will be my
last missive for a week or two 'til I get my new email address at
UC-Davis. I start my Ph.D. in 10 days!!!! As for the MM and diso
discussion - couldn't live without 'em. I have only heard one remix of
STOA and LOVED it. I have a few DJ friends who played it regularly at a
few of the clubs here in SF. The comment about disco not being 'real'
music made me laugh. That's what my grandparents said about the Beatles
and Elvis. Times change and thank the goddess so does music. 

Gotta go! I'll be back!

Have a Barbra Beautiful Day!

Love,
Hateful Helen

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Subject: Re: NN: MM, D.I.S.C.O., DBS
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:41:04 EDT
   From: Annavedo@aol.com

I hate to sound like a broken record, but....

is hatefulhelen/Troy a guy or a girl?  First it was Donate, now it's this 
one.....I just can't tell---must be something wrong with me!!!

BTW, I absolutely LOVE "1937 Pre-war Kimball" (sounds like Campbell when she 
says it) and the Buddy Holly tune "Tell Me How" (don't have it in front of me 
right now, but I think that's what it's called).  I hope I can look forward 
to more like this on the New, New album!

*Anne*

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Subject: An Announcement
   From: Jenny and Kristina (twofortheweb@yahoo.com>

Hi All, 

We Kristina Plath and Jenny Jones are writing this togther (yes, ACROSS
the blue divide, we're children of the nineties, and for us technology
has no bounds) as we do exuberently declare that the kids are ganging
up on ya!

Once upon a time, an idea began to form inside the mind of Dr. K Plath
of Delhi, NY.  An idea so brilliant, so phenomenal, as to alter the
course of young Nanci Griffith fans forever.  With help from her evil
assailant Miss Jones of Glasgow, Scotland, the dream began to take
flight.  In about three paragraphs we'll get over ourselves, quit the
boasting, and actually tell you what the idea is.  

Okay, enough with the fairytale.  This idea spawned the creation of
Nancijr, a version of NanciNet for children of the nineties.  Okay,
before we get carried away, we should state that this new list is not
intended to move all the children of the nineties off the NN, but
instead to supplement the list, to provide a forum for younger
voices.... besides, if we all left, who'd keep you reckless lot in
line?  : )

We will recommend to all subscribers (who are not already NNers) that
they join NN in addition to Nancijr.  And if Bill says it's okay, we'd
like to send a copy of the Nancijr digest to the NN to let you all see
what we're up to.

We're planning on having loads of fun on the Nancijr list.  It's such
an amazing feeling when you realize you're not the only teenage Nanci
fan out there, and those of us who've already become cyberdudes have
made friends that will last a lifetime... so pull up a keyboard, kick
off your shoes and come play in this big playground out in the madness.
 None of us have bought 45's, we don't own record players, and we WILL
make "It's a Hard Life Wherever You Go" obselete within our lifetimes.

You can enter the playground at
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/nancijr.  Anyone can lurk, but only
those under 20 should post.  As Nanci says on the OV/OR video, "Come
join us!"

These two "listsis" hearts,

Jenny and Kristina

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Subject: NN: Susanna Clark: painter/songwriter
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:19:09 -0500
   From: Jackie (j.klinnert@att.net>

According to the book "Songbuilder, the Life & Music of Guy Clark",
Susanna has always been a painter. She has had other careers, but she
has always painted. In fact, the night they met, Guy and Townes came to
visit her sister, and they discussed the painting she was doing at the
time. At that time she taught art at the Oklahoma City Science and Arts
Foundation.

There is a whole chapter devoted to her in the book, but some of the
album covers she has done include: Guy Clark's Old No. 1 (the denim
shirt), Willie Nelson's Stardust, and Emmylou's Quarter Moon in a 10
Cent Town. The originals decorate their walls, although she did give
Emmylou the one from Quarter Moon.

She is also a songwriter. She wrote a hit song before either Guy or
Townes did! "I'll Be Your San Antone Rose" on Luxury Liner (Emmylou).
She also wrote "I Was Kinda Crazy Then" (done by Jerry Jeff, and also
Jessi Colter), "Easy From Now On" with Carlene Carter (Emmylou), "Come
>From The Heart" with Richard Leigh, and "Whenever it Comes to You" with
Richard Leigh (Crystal Gayle)

I'm sure there's more, but I'd have to reread the book to find it all.

Jackie

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Subject: NN: video ordering
   Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:25:10 PDT
   From: "Todd Barrett" (astrocity@hotmail.com>

This is for anyone who hasn't ordered the new Nanci video.  I usually order 
from CDNow but could not find the video....it was because they had her 
spelled her name with a "Y."  I sent them an email that they should correct 
it.

Todd Barrett
*Girls With Guitars*
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/9132/music.html

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Subject: NN: Patty Griffin
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:06:18 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Nice to see that the vastly underrated Patty Griffin is getting cuts on 
cd's that should sell in their droves. She's had three songs covered by 
big name artists in the last three weeks. First the Dixie Chicks did "Let 
Him Fly" (from Patty's debut "Living With Ghosts") on their newie "Fly". 
Then Emmylou and Linda Rostadt cover "Falling Down" (which Patty herself 
has not released) on "Western Wall", and now Martina McBride has covered 
"Goodbye" from last years "Flaming Red" on her new cd, "Emotion", which 
also has a great take on Gretchen Peters' "This Uncivil War".

John Graveling

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Subject: NN: Re: Revisited
   Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:02:08 -0400
   From: "Donate von Bredow-Gardner" (dvbgardner@genelogic.com>

After reading yesterday's digest, I couldn't help myself and rushed to
borders.com to find that infamous 'Revisited' CD.   It was listed as "available
immediately" and I ordered it.  Today I got the notice that is was no longer
available.  I'm soooooo curious to hear this CD - anyone have any other sources
I could order
this from?

Donate "I can handle disco while I clean the house" von Bredow-Gardner

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