NanciNet Digest 3-01-00
// Lots of discussion...
// Enjoy...[BP]
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Subject: NN: Starving musician covers Nanci tunes
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:13:32 -0500
From: "Steve Goldberger" (steve@aldgategroup.com>
Hey folks, me again.
Just wanted to let you know that I just got delivery of my new CD
entitled "Come From the Heart". Some Nancinetters might be interested in a
copy since I cover two(!) Nanci tunes. Also, $2.00 from the sale
of each CD will be donated to the Heart & Stroke Foundation.
CHECK OUT THE FRINGE LOCALS NEW LIVE ALBUM at:
http://www.aldgategroup.com/linernotes.html
Also (it you're in the southern Ontario area), please join us for our
album release dates coming up at
The Feathers Pub - in Toronto March 11th
or
The Olde Angel Inn - in Niagara-on-the-Lake, March 17th and 18th.
For more details visit:
http://www.aldgategroup.com/stevesgigs.htm
Steve (just gettin' by on gettin' by) Goldberger
email: steve@aldgategroup.com
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Subject: NN: Influential artists
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:48:55 -0500
From: nannynan@earthling.net
Hi Nancinetters,
The first three LPs I ever bought were by the Kingston Trio, who can
be credited I think at least in part for the popularization of folk
music, even though at the time some of the "purists" in the folk
scene criticized them for not being too crass and commercial instead
of truly traditional. I know I for one might never have heard some
of the old blues and ballads if I had not first been attracted to
folk music by those striped shirt groups.
For what its worth.
Nancy with a Y
When women are depressed they either eat or go shopping. Men invade
another country. -Elayne Boosler-
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Subject: Re: NN: Re Great musical influences of the 20th century
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:32:14 EST
From: Annavedo@aol.com
Petop@aol.com writes:
(( Wait a minute. Sonny James (Young Love), Stonewall Jackson (Waterloo),
Hank
Locklin (Please Help Me I'm Falling), Jim Reeves (He'll Have to Go), Claude
Whateverhisnamewas who sang Wolverton Mountain and most especially Johnny
Horton (Battle of New Orleans, North To Alaska, Sink the Bismark et al) were
all cross over successes before the world even heard of Glen Campbell. The
only think we can take from the fact that Elvis listened to Glen Campbell is
that, while Elvis himself was one of the most influential musicians of the
20th Century, his taste in music sucked.
>>
Gotta disagree with you there, Petop. All those wonderful artists and songs
you mentioned (Claude's name is King, by the way) were nonetheless still
considered very "country and western." They had "a" hit that crossed over.
Glen Campbell, on the other hand, was hugely popular with both the country
fans and contemporary music listeners. He truly brought the country sound to
mainstream America, and made it ok to listen to a so-called "country" artist.
So much of his music was in fact, not very country at all. "Wichita
Lineman," "Where's the Playground, Susie," "Galveston" and "Dreams of the
Everyday Housewife" are only a few that spring to mind. His arranger, whose
name he musically spoke "Mr. Al de Lory" (anyone who ever saw GC in concert
can imagine his sing-song delivery) was more of a Henry Mancini-type
arranger. Glen's songs were lush, lyrical and for the most part, very
non-country. My mother was in love with the man, and we kids grew up
listening to his every album. I know 'em inside and out, and I loved them
all. Anyone remember "Mary in the Morning?" Beautiful!
*Anne*
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Subject: Re: NN: Re Great musical influences of the 20th century
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:49:31 +0800
From: "Bob McConnochie" (rsm@ppp.com.hk>
You should see his taste in furniture......
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Subject: Re: NN: Re Great musical influences of the 20th century
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:50:58 -0500
From: "Diane B. Wilkes" (diwilkes@erols.com>
>So much of his music was in fact, not very country at all. "Wichita
>Lineman," "Where's the Playground, Susie," "Galveston" and "Dreams of the
>Everyday Housewife" are only a few that spring to mind.
Is anyone familiar with the Scud Mountain Boys' version of "Where's the
Playground, Susie"--I have been known to play it over three or four times
in a row.
Diane
http://www.oldgreycat.com
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Subject: Re: NN: Re Great musical influences of the 20th century
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:21:03 EST
From: Petop@aol.com
Annavedo@aol.com writes:
(( They had "a" hit that crossed over. >>
I would argue that (1) Johnny Horton had more than just "a hit" and (2) Jim
Reeves's catalog outsells Glen Campbell's.
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Subject: Re: NN: Re Great musical influences of the 20th century
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:31:30 EST
From: Annavedo@aol.com
(( I would argue that (1) Johnny Horton had more than just "a hit" and (2)
Jim Reeves's catalog outsells Glen Campbell's. >>
Campbell was the first crossover "King."
*Anne*
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Subject: NN: Shania Twain
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:48:36 +0000
From: "Shipley, Graham" (gjs@le.ac.uk>
Dear fellow-netters
Well, I have to admit I like Shania. Not in league of Most Influential by a
long way, but really enjoyable.
Granted, some of the lyrics on the _Come on Over_ album (the only one I
know) make you cringe. Her photos are just too perfect to be as sexy as
she'd obviously like to be thought. Her producer--mate has tipped out a
great grabbag of conventional musical figures and decoration as if he'd
been storing them up all his life to use now.
But I can forgive a lot for what I humbly consider an elegant internal
rhyme like 'Imagine, the air filled with jasmine'. It's a HAPPY album that
has cheered me up in bad times, I don't mind admitting. And what a voice!
I'm no expert on vocals, but I think she has wonderful sinuses. ;-)
Seriously, I see a lot of skill in the way she crafts each line. Have you
ever heard the vowel 'O' sung so many different ways? I love those
colloquial asides, the almost cockney glottal stops, and the seemingly
English turns of phrase like 'you drive me up the wall', 'you must be
jokin', right?', 'you gotta way with words' (is that because she's Canadian
or are they standard North American expressions?). She seems to me to have
what I saw attributed to Mathilde Santing in an article in a Dutch
newspaper, where the reviewer used the French word _souplesse_. And good on
her for saying that women can have a good time without men; for singing
about escaping from violence; for teaching men a lesson or two about how to
behave in relationships; and for celebrating lifelong devotion, which is
after all a wonderful thing. I guess I'm biased, being in love . . . (no,
not with Shania!).
BTW, there are two different versions, the US 1997 release being more
'country' and the UK 1999 release more 'dance' (tracks in a different order
and no gaps between them).
Graham Shipley (Leicester, UK)
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Subject: RE: NN: RE: re:stir things up more
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:57:25 -0000
From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>
People always think Elvis is so much more influential than he
is. I frankly think he destroyed much of what was good about
r & b in the same way that any megastar always (always always)
ends up a self-parody and little bit..erm...sad. I think the same goes for
The Beatles (no-one should ever let paul McCartney near a recording
studio) Dylan (yes I do think 'Out of Time' is dreadful) and, especially,
the Rolling Stones (please someone pull the plug on them!). There's
something someone said about power corrupting....
The Sex Pistols were in and out in 18 months (2 years tops-if you
include Glen Matlock) and then they were finished (I'm deliberately
ignoring the Filthy Lucre tour of a few years ago you notice?).
And much as I love listening to NG and a few other artists, it's
these fly-by-night merchants than give me more pleasure time and
time again.
Robert (in a bad mood 'cos I'm still doing this bloody audit) Pugsley
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Subject: Re: NN: RE: re:stir things up more
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:34:59 EST
From: Petop@aol.com
rmp6@leicester.ac.uk writes:
(( People always think Elvis is so much more influential than he
is. >>
From a vantage point across the pond, I can see how you might feel that
way. But if you were, like me, a teenager in 1955 when Elvis first came over
the radio airwaves, stuck in there among the tunes by Perry Como, Teresa
Brewer, Les Baxter, Patti Page, you would know, first hand, just how
incredibly influential he was. In my lifetime (which began in 1942), there
has never been anyone more influential on the overall music scene than
Presley.
Was he a great musician? Was he an original? It makes no difference. His
influence on the popular music scene is undeniable and can never be
underestimated.
I have long argued that anything the Beatles did the Beach Boys did a year
earlier and other English bands did a lot better. However, it simply doesn't
matter because it was the Beatles who influenced not only another generation
of musicians but also rock 'n' roll to this very day. Like them or not,
Presley completely altered the course of popular music and the Beatles saved
and re-defined rock 'n' roll.
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Subject: NN: Keyboards and banjos
Date: 28 Feb 00 23:14:40 CST
From: James Hooker (jameshooker@netscape.net>
Sorry if I sounded snotty. I didn't mean to. I found it all pretty funny and
thought I'd do one of my wiseacres. I'm not very good at typing funny faces
on a keyboard.....Hell, it took me an hour to type this!!
Hooker
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Subject: Re: NN: Keyboards and banjos
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:59:42 EST
From: Brimpls@aol.com
But James, we keyboard players are supposed to be excellent typists, all that
digital dexterity, right? And I'm sure banjo players can type really well,
too!
Sabrina in Mpls.
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Subject: NN: OV2 Video
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:52:19 +0000
From: Andy Gaskell (agaskell@kopite.demon.co.uk>
Has the OV2 video ever been released in PAL format, and if so does
anyone know where I can get a copy??
Andy
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Subject: NN: Re: influential people
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:01:26 +0800
From: "Bob McConnochie" (rsm@ppp.com.hk>
Kristina Plath (flyer23@angelfire.com> wrote:
> 19.Meg Griffin
Hi Kristina; I'm not saying Meg Griffin wasn't influential....but who was
she?
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Subject: NN: Re: Re: influential people
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:23:53 +0100
From: "Hans Janssen" (hjanssen@zeelandnet.nl>
> Hi Kristina; I'm not saying Meg Griffin wasn't influential....but who was
> she?
Isn't she the mother of Patty :0)
Hans "just guessing" Janssen
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: influential people
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:46:49 -0500
From: "Kristina Plath" (flyer23@angelfire.com>
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:01:26 Bob McConnochie wrote:
>Hi Kristina; I'm not saying Meg Griffin wasn't influential....but who was
>she?
Hahaha. She is by far the most esoteric person on my list... and I hold
nothing against you for not knowing who she is. She *is* one of the DJs at
WFUV's daytime program CityFolk. I'm listening to her now. She consistently
plays off-the-beaten path artists and makes gutsy choices about what to play.
She's sponsering a series at the Bottom Line for female folk artists
currently. On top of it all, she's a really great personality. She's like
those old DJs Nanci talks about. Jackson Browne and the Indigo Girls
back-to-back with Robin and Linda Williams and Gillian Welch.
So now you know. : )
Flyer
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Subject: NN: Nanci stuff!
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:37:30 -0000
From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>
OK, enough of the bantering (Georg, I give in, Mick Jagger
is not a parody of himself [and I am the king of England];-))
Here's some Nanci stuff.
Who is Gary Kennon? Is he here? He should be, he's written a
song called 'Nanci' about her on an album called Minack Magic, you can
read about it here http://primecds.com/minackmagic.html
(NG gets mentioned right at the end!). Anyone heard it?
Secondly, what happened to the Nanci DVD? I remember some talk about
it a few weeks/months ago but I wasn't paying attention because I didn't
have a DVD player, but now I have access to one and was just wondering...
I can't find it on Amazon...
Thirdly, who is 'docent@got.net'? Is he here? He should be, he's got a webpage
called the Unofficial Nanci Griffith Tribute Page which I hadn't seen before.
It's at
http://historyoftheworld.com/music/nanci/nanci.htm.
Quite a few people have signed his guestbook, perhaps we could recruit them?!?
Lastly, a warning, there's a guy hanging around here who's claiming to be
something, I don't know what, a roadie or something, in the BMO. You know the
sort, obviously been on his computer too long and it's gone to his head, thinks
he's with the band, etc...anyway be kind, he doesn't even know what instrument
he's supposed
to be playing, one minute it's the banjo, the next it's the piano...the piano!
I ask you, as if Nanci would ever use a piano...so like I say tread carefully
and be safe out there, who knows what might happen if he were ever riled...
Robert (Pugsley)
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Subject: NN: Don Maclean: Starry, Starry Night
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:52:19 -0800
From: "David_W_Gibson" (David_W_Gibson@email.msn.com>
Hello,
For you San Diego NNers, the show we've been waiting for will be on KPBS on
Saturday, March 4th at 10:00pm.
The announcment is at http://www.kpbs.org/_nav/frameset_tv.shtml
Dust off those VCRs!
Take care,
Dave Gibson
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Subject: NN: Re: Don Maclean: Starry, Starry Night
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:12:25 -0600
From: "Virginia" (ginrose@midsouth.rr.com>
> For you San Diego NNers, the show we've been waiting for will be
> on KPBS on Saturday, March 4th at 10:00pm.
WKNO, Memphis, is showing this Saturday, March 4 at 7:00 PM.
Hugs,
Gin
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Subject: NN: RE: Kate's Web interview
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:42:24 -0500
From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>
You know what we need to replace the car radio, a webcast radio that can
pick up stations like WDVX while driving! Wouldn't matter if you were in
Tennessee, Tupelo, or Texas, you could listen to any station that you
wanted.
Has anyone heard of anything like this yet?
Roman from Ohio
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Subject: NN: re:stir things up more
Date: 29 Feb 00 11:26:49 EST
From: "Bob K." (rkettig@usa.net>
> Bob Riegner wrote:
> ...
> One final comment about The Beatles--we all love them
> and their music. We all recognize their brilliance,
> and know the words to most of their songs--we all talk
> about them--BUT(be honest) how many of us still
> actually LISTEN to them very much any more? It's
> probably been 5 or 6 years since I've listened to The
> White Album all the way through. Yet I still listen
> quite often to Dylan (early and newer stuff).
Ditto. The Beatles were great, but they're just rock & roll to me.
They make me want to move and dance and maybe sing. Dylan makes me
want to laugh or cry or be alone or call a friend or take up harmon-
ica. He stirs my emotions. He also makes me want to sing, and I am
continually surprised at how difficult it is to sound as good as he.
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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci stuff (DVD)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:53:03 +0100
From: Georg (gvallest@c2i.net>
>Secondly, what happened to the Nanci DVD? I remember some talk about
>it a few weeks/months ago but I wasn't paying attention because I didn't
>have a DVD player, but now I have access to one and was just wondering...
>I can't find it on Amazon...
I saw the DVD on one of the American DVD sites today. (If you are
thinking of Last Of The True Believers DVD PCM-audio only). Don't remember
which one, but I found it through DVD price search. It was scheduled for
June 1st, I think.
Georg
(ob Sex Pistols: God Save the King...)
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Subject: NN: Alright, Shawn....
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:59:59 EST
From: Annavedo@aol.com
Is Shawn's head gonna fit in the room anymore??? (Just listened to Kate
Campbell on WDVX)
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Subject: NN: more influences
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:51:25 -0500
From: nannynan@earthling.net
What about John Phillip Sousa?
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Subject: NN: Re: Kate's Web interview
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:04:47 PST
From: "Steve Gilmore" (svgil@hotmail.com>
God bless Americana!
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Subject: NN: re: cutting the thread
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:23:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Riegner (rg48@yahoo.com>
Dear Netters--
I'm afraid I created a monster with my 20 most
influential list idea. I have appreciated reading all
the various responses this list spawned (well, most of
them, anyway). I for one, am ready to move on...this
is after all supposed to be about Nanci Griffith.
One thing this has proven is the passion that all of us
have for music...all kinds of music, and that's a very
good thing. I'm sticking with my original list, I've
had a lot of requests but I'm going to print my list
one more time, anyway:*
1. Bob Dylan
2. Les Paul
3. Elvis Presley
4. Woody Guthrie
5. Buddy Holly
6. Chuck Berry
7. Hank Williams
8. Nanci Griffith
9. The Rolling Stones
10. Bruce Springsteen
11. Frank Sinatra
12. The Beatles
13. Henry Mancini
14. Rodgers & Hammerstein
15. Gram Parsons
16. Van Cliburn
17. Glenn Miller
18. Holland/Dozier/Holland
19. Eric Clapton
20. John Hammond
*A very old joke--going back to my wild days playing
in a country rock band.
One comment I can't let pass: While Mr. Earle is
dancing on Dylan's table with his cowboy boots on, Bob
will be writing a song with more brilliant lyrics than
you can find in a whole album by some artists!
O.K., enough said by me--I'm ready to move on.
Lurking
sounds good to me.
Bob Riegner
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Subject: NN: Re: re: cutting the thread
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:03:39 -0500
From: "Shawn Kimbro" (kimbroj@charter.net>
> One comment I can't let pass: While Mr. Earle is
> dancing on Dylan's table with his cowboy boots on, Bob
> will be writing a song with more brilliant lyrics than
> you can find in a whole album by some artists!
(grin> Dylan certainly garners intense fan support. One note of follow
up--when Townes was asked to comment on Earle's quote he replied, "Well,
I've met Bob Dylan and his body guards and I'd don't think Steve Earle could
get anywhere near his coffee table."
We each select a deity, mine wore cowboy boots.
-Shawn
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Subject: NN: Beatlemania vs Nancimania (slight but actual Nanci content)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:35:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>
The good side, for me at least, about being a Nanci
fan not a Beatle fan is she's nicer to look at. For
me at least. The bad side: it was easier to have
arguments about "Who's your favorite Beatle" than
"who's your favorite Nanci?" As for the BMO, I'd say
that I find Lee Satterfield cuter than Hooker but
people say I've hurt the man enough this weekend.
What Beatles influences can we actually hear in
Nanci's music? Mary Margaret told me a few years back
that she still has a tape of herself and Nanci as
teenagers singing "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away."
We've heard a lot about general music influences and
about those Nanci cites as influences--but who do you,
netters, hear as influences on Nanci? The artist,
after all, might not be entirely conscious of all who
have influenced her.
Reid "Hank Williams on the Juke Box, Jack Daniels in
your hand, you ain't never going home" Michell
n.p.: Art Blakey, ORGY IN RHYTHM
n.u.: Mike West, 16 EASY SONGS FOR DRILL AND BANJO
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Subject: NN: Re: Beatlemania vs Nancimania (slight but actual Nanci content)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:30:15 -0500
From: "Shawn Kimbro"
> n.u.: Mike West, 16 EASY SONGS FOR DRILL AND BANJO
I'm imagining a marching banjo corps! Reid, say it ain't so!
-S
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