// Last digest was sparse...this one makes up for it.
// Stanford -- yes or no? And a cool story about a young Nanci fan.
// And another round of "to copy or not to copy," with a new twist
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: july 16th concert
   Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:51:59 -0700
   From: "Matthew J.Baker" (matbaker@pacbell.net>

ok janet that was just not fair!

here i was set  on haveing to wait for 2001 for nanci to come abck to
california, and then your confusion got my hopes up that it would be
sooner. you posted that she will be at Stanford University on july 16th.
well the concert dates posted here
	http://www.sover.net/~rschrull/ngriffith/ngtour.html
clearly states, Stamford, CT.

so i did get to see nanci when she performed at the Villa Montalvo last
summer, out here in california, but that seems so long ago now.

--
matthew j. baker

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Subject: NN: Fw: july 16th concert
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:25:04 -0400
   From: "eprieto" (eprieto@columbus.rr.com>

things are seeming odd to me.....
    i thought she was going to be at the llouisville (ky) zoo on the 15th...
either ct or ca is some distance to travel from ky in one day.  does
anyone know if the zoo show is still on?

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Subject: NN: Re: july 16th concert
   Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:17:18 -0700
   From: Susan Peete (suepeete@cruzio.com>

>    i thought she was going to be at the llouisville (ky) zoo on the 15th...
>either ct or ca is some distance to travel from ky in one day.  does
>anyone know if the zoo show is still on?

It's strange, it's it?  I talked with Alan (Gold Mountain) on the phone May
17. and he told me the concert was at Stanford University in California not
in Shamford, CT. But I have been calling and e-mailing Stanford ticket
office, and they said "We don't have any information about a Nanci Griffith
concert on schedule." I even contacted the conductor/director of the
Stanford Symphony Orchestra, but she said it wasn't true that they were
scheduled to play with Nanci on that date.

I have a feeling there will not be a concert in neither location, CT or CA. 
The Louisville, KY concert on Saturday, July 15, at the Louisville Zoo, you
CAN count on.

Cheers

Sue
http://nanci-griffith.com/TourDates/tourdates.html

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   Subject: NN: Re: Re: july 16th concert
      Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:04:53 -0700
      From: Mark Munroe (markmun@pacbell.net>

The concert is also listed on sfbayconcerts.com.  Let's hope it happens!

Mark

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   Subject: NN: july 16th concert: sfbayconcerts.com
      Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:12:13 -0700
      From: Mark Munroe (markmun@pacbell.net>

One more thing... sfbayconcerts.com  just took the show off the 'rumored'
list and list it as a confirmed date. You would think there would be some
way to figure out how to get tickets.


Mark

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    Subject: Re: NN: july 16th concert: sfbayconcerts.com
       Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:05:51 -0400
       From: Stanley Zucker (szucker@chelseastudios.com>

The show is confirmed. It is a benefit concert and my source at Stanford
told me tickets will go on sale very soon.

Stanley Zucker

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Subject: Re: NN: july 16th concert: sfbayconcerts.com
   Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:48:18 EDT
   From: Janf1914@aol.com

szucker@chelseastudios.com writes:

(( The show is confirmed. It is a benefit concert and my source at Stanford
 told me tickets will go on sale very soon.
 
 Stanley Zucker >>

Please let us know details if you find out.  Thanks!

-Janet

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Subject: NN: July 16 at Stanford?
   Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:32:57 -0600
   From: "KENDRICK,TOM" (tom_kendrick@hp.com>

If there is a concert next month in Palo Alto, CA, 
the Stanford University Ticket office claims to not 
know anything about it.  I called them and they are 
not handling the tickets, and seem to know nothing.  

Other than the date on a couple of web sites, there 
seems to be no information on the concert available 
anywhere I have looked.  

Can anyone shed any light???

Tom Kendrick
San Carlos, CA

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Subject: NN: just a stranger dropping by...
   Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:48:25 -0400
   From: kbean@ugcorp.com

Hey guys!  It's been a little over a year since I have posted anything!  I've
been kind of busy,,,I just gave birth to a bouncing (not to mention
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L) baby boy,,,,Griffith Wylie Bean.  He was born on March 22,
5:58pm.  Weighing in at a whopping 8lbs 1oz.  But, with this new joy in my
life, I have been trying to keep up with all of the good reads from you guys.
Thankfully,,or otherwise I would not known about Nanci being in Atlanta.  My
hubby and I are going to (fearfully) take our first trip away from our son and
will be driving down from Greensboro, NC to the show.  I know some of you are
going to meet and I was wondering if I could get some more information on that.

I would really love to put some faces with these posts I've been reading for
the past couple of years.  My address is changing to myblumoonshining@aol.com,
so if someone could get some info to me,,I would really appreciate it.  You
guys take care and keep those wonderful posts coming!!

Keana 'my blue moon is shining' Bean  : )

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Subject: NN: Query
   Date: Wed, 7 Jun 00 17:33:53 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

OK folks I need some help. I just picked up three new cd's today and one 
of them has left me astounded, and it has nothing to do with the music. 
I've just bought "dwightyoakamacoustic.net" and it has no front cover, 
just a sticker across the front giving the title. It's an import copy 
from the USA, and as it was sealed I am assuming they are all the same. 
Does anyone else have this cd. If so it must be the first record/cd ever 
released without a cover as such!!!

John "astounded" Graveling

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Subject: NN: Query
   Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:21:54 -0400
   From: Bob Juliano (rjuliano@cfl.rr.com>

 I don't own one, but there is a favorable review plus a picture of
this cd on CDNOW.  The url is too long to fit on anyone's screen, but
just search for Dwight Yoakam at www.cdnow.com artist search screen.
  I would guess that the bare bones look of the package is to get it
to jump out at the consumer sorting through the offerings at their
favorite store.

>From smoky Orlando, FL
Bob Juliano 
rjuliano@cfl.rr.com  

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Subject: NN: Hot recommendations
   Date: Wed, 7 Jun 00 22:00:09 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

I've been a little quiet with the recommendations lately, but I'll 
rectify that right now. The following are simply must buys!!!!!

1) Joe Ely - "Live @ Antone's". Stunning, with a great version of Utah 
Phillips' "Rock Salt & Nails", but then again all 15 tracks are surefire 
winners, how could they not be with the three prong guitar attack of 
Jesse Taylor (lead), Lloyd Maines (pedal steel) and Teye (Spanish 
guitar). Evocative Texan bar room rock with everything thrown in the mix. 
A gem. 

2) Steve Earle - "Transcendental Blues". Another lovely mix of styles, a 
real bag of all sorts. Plus, here in the UK at least, a four track live 
cd thrown in, recorded at this years SXSW festival in Austin.

3) Dwight Yoakam - "dwightyoakamacoustic.net". Just Dwight and his 
acoustic guitar. Relies solely on his great voice to carry the tunes, and 
proves what a great singer the guy is. Pure emotion.

4) Lee Ann Womack - "I Hope You Dance". Sheer joy, I cannot recommend 
this highly enough, I'm totally knocked out by "I Know Why The River 
Runs". Great playing, haunting steel, and the singing between Lee Ann and 
Kevin Montgomery's harmony just blows me away, every time. There are many 
highlights here to listen to. Superb.

5) Trisha Yearwood - "Real Live Woman". Proof that country music is alive 
and kicking. This, and the aforementioned Lee Ann are the proof. The 
opening Kim Richey/Mary Chapin Carpenter co-write, "Where Are You Now" is 
a hell of a way to kick off an album. Springsteen's "Sad Eyes" is a 
killer. The second time in recent months that the Boss has been outdone 
on one of his own songs (the other being Kevin Montgomery's version of "I 
Wish I Were Blind" - which listeners in the UK have gone ape over!!!).

Sleep well friends and get those wallets out!!!

John Graveling

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Subject: Re: NN: Hot recommendations/Lee Ann Womack
   Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:47:44 EDT
   From: Halesbop@aol.com

I agree with John and others who have posted, that this is a fantastic 
record. I went out and bought it right after reading the article on her in 
the latest New Depression mag. It was especially encouraging to see that this 
cd debuted as the #1 selling country album in the US the first week it came 
out. And yes, it's worth buying for her versions of the Julie Miller songs 
alone.

Lee Ann was on Leno last night. I taped it but haven't watched yet. I imagine 
she probably sang the title track (and first single).

Steve

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   Subject: NN: Re: Leaving Corporate America
      Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:56:31 -0400
      From: "Donate von Bredow-Gardner" (dvbgardner@genelogic.com>

VickiStein@aol.com wrote:

"I work in corporate America .......  Guess that comes from a woman who would
rather have dirt between her nails than polish on them.......
Cate, Brina, Donate...Cheers, ladies!"

((((( My sentiments exactly, Vicki!!!!  I cannot wait until the day that I can
kiss the corporate world of law goodbye and put on my farming hat.......  Gulf
Coast Highway has always had a special meaning to me..... guess just tending
your own garden and being happy with little is what many of us kindred spirits
really wish for.  All I need is my garden, writing my book(s), and making
music, and building a little house around the biggest table imaginable to sit
all my friends around it......"
Donate "sigh!" von Bredow-Gardner
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   Subject: NN: Re: Leaving Corporate America
      Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:35:12 -0500
      From: "Virginia" (ginrose@midsouth.rr.com>

Oh, my! This just goes to show how great minds work alike.

I had a month vacation between jobs. Memphis in May -- perfect timing to be
working in the garden, and I did. The portable CD player was moved outside
the back door. I can't say I had "Trouble In The Fields", but Nanci sure
kept me company while I was pulling those pesky weeds and putting in
annuals. I even broke the sledge hammer handle while knocking down an old
barbeque pit where DH's new office is going to be built! Think I scared him
a bit! Nanci, the strong woman, is sure an inspiration! LOL

All my work experience to date has been in university labs. This, my first
week on the job, is my first experience with corporate America. My
suprevisor is unloading his troubles on me, complaining about his
supervisor, and talking about going back to school to enter another field!
Oh My, What Have I Gotten Myself Into! I just want to be back in the garden
listening to Nanci with dirt under my nails!

Hugs to all (I could use some back),

Gin

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   Subject: NN: Re: Leaving Corporate America
      Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:34:37 -0500
      From: "Virginia" (ginrose@midsouth.rr.com>

Hi, it's me again.

If anyone remembers the "Are Bluebonnets Lupines" thread a few years back
with Maggie, I am a botanist. (and yes, bluebonnets are lupines, but a
special kind!) Finally, after five years of work in the basement of a
hospital doing medical research, I'm out in the boonies in the middle of
cotton fields, grinding up cotton leaves for experiments, and picking
wildflowers to be put in a styrofoam cup on the breakroom table. There's
even potting soil left over from the company greenhouse that I can take home
to work into my flower beds. I really think I might like this job.

My supervisor is from mainland China, away from his family in China and his
wife and children in Lubbock, TX (here's the Nanci connection), and
homesick. He's in the middle of the South, and, I'm afraid, a victim of the
kind of mentality that is addressed in "From A Distance". He's the only
employee in the company of a different nationality. I can only imagine what
it would be like to be in that situation.

Tomorrow's  Friday, and I've the weekend to recoup.

Hope everyone's weekend is bluebonnet blue!

Hugs,
Gin

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Subject: NN: Cute story
   Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:54:47 -0700
   From: Kim Cline (threebf@pacbell.net>

My best friend called today to tell me about his 8 year old, Callie.
Apparently, she has become a huge Nanci fan(slightly to Mark's dismay
because he favors Emmy Lou...but that's another story).  She plays her
C.D.s loudly when getting ready for school each day.  She turned in a
fictional paper that was about a shopping excursion with her pet dog.
In the story, it was important that she be somewhere else, soon.  It
ended with, "I had just enough time to wink at the boys and get back on
the bus".  I give her an A.
Regards,
Kim Cline

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Subject: NN: RE: Cute story
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:38:04 -0400
   From: "Trucksis, Katie" (ktrucksis@mtw.org>

Adorable, Kim! It's a happy house that hears music often, any taste
thereof.... (ok, within reason - a happy Metallica house??)

Last night I introduced a friend to OFSE, and in particular to Nanci's
fetching pre-song anecdotes, so today I was able to share this with him & he
knew what it was about. It was delightful to me to see the delight on his
face as he listened to Nanci! I remembered the first mesmerizing time I
heard OFSE. He has recently become a "fan" of mine, too, in the last couple
months....and as such has embraced Nanci along with me ;) We are a package
deal, after all! It's a nice way to pass along love of a music....I got to
know Nanci the same way, years ago. And even though it didn't work out then,
I got a gift I'm forever grateful for....

Katie "can't wait for Chastain!" in Atlanta

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Subject: NN: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:09:50 -0400
   From: "Shawn Kimbro" (skimbro@bhset.org>

Hi gang --

Gosh, it is quiet.  So maybe I'll try and stir the pot a little
by pointing out that, along with many of you, I'm being sued.
Think I'm kidding?  I'm not. (And no, it isn't for slander
either.) The rock band Metallica has filed a federal lawsuit
against Napster, and it's nearly 300,000 individual subscribers,
for copyright infringement.  As you may already know, this is
only one of many cases brought against Napster for it's
questionable MP3 upload/download service.  It's not out of the
question that we could be found guilty and forced to pay for the
music we've already downloaded. Well, I won't be paying for
Metallica, but they might get me for Ralph Stanley, Sam Bush,
Tony Rice, Gillian Welch, or Nanci Griffith.  Actually, I'm not
sure how I feel about this Napster thing.  On one hand, it's
really kewl to have virtually any song a mouse click away and
completely free, but on the other hand, I believe artists should
be completely compensated for the work they produce.

And speaking of artist compensation, Sheryl Crow was on capital
hill last week testifying before congress about the unfairness of
the "work for hire" provision that was snuck into last year's
Copyright Act.  The way I understand the law, it essentially
states that record companies own the rights to the song masters
that are recorded by artists on their labels. Crow, along with
many singer/songwriter organizations, believes that artists
should own the rights to their songs even after they are
recorded.  The record companies counter that it's always been
that way, and the law just makes it official. I'm not on the
fence on this issue.  I think it's a bad law and should be
canned.  Currently 7 members of the 15 member house sub-committee
(6 Democrats and 1 Republican, not surprisingly) have moved to
repeal the law.

Ho hum, at least this lapse in traffic has allowed me some time
to practice my clawhammer banjo (g>.  I'm new to it, but I'm
learning, and thanks to MP3s, I can share it.  Here's a link to
something I just posted last night after dubbing in a quick
fiddle part. http://www.geocities.com/trailzzone/clucko.mp3
Yeah, I know it's rough, but mountain music is supposed to be
somewhat (excuses, excuses).  After all,
music is for sharing, but, ahem, please don't upload it to
Napster. ;-)

In the spirit of the mountains,
-Shawn
  _________________Nanci Is My Aeroplane___________________
 |                    __       ___        Shawn Kimbro     |
 | "And they danced  | \____o__/_/___| kimbroj@charter.net |
 |  all night to the \(>-----_/_/____]>  Morristown, TN    |
 |  fiddle and banjo"         `o     |  ~ MOUNTAIN SOUL ~  |
 |_____ http://www.geocities.com/trailzzone/soul.html _____|

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   Subject: Re: NN: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
      Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:08:21 GMT
      From: jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord)


The recording industry is always playing reactionary games.

Remember when cassette tapes were going to kill the industry... when
RIAA tried to get congress to pass laws adding a piracy fee to each
tape. Remember how they successfully killed consumer DAT mass market.
Remember the mini-disc. Remember how it was going to be illegal to
record TV shows.

In my humble opinion, Napster (and scour, imesh, gnutella) is radio
and the RIAA should get over it.

john alvord

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Subject: RE: NN: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:12:35 -0400
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Howdy,
Let me throw my two cents into this discussion here, from a library
perspective.
One of the major issues libraries are facing today, when it comes to digitized 
information, is the question of ownership of intellectual property rights and
the concept of "fair use". 
First, let's look at intellectual property rights and the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act, which claims to bring copyright law up to date in the digital
environment, mostly in favor of publishers and copyright "owners" of digital
material. This act even goes as far as forcing service providers (ISPs) to
remove material from their sites that copyright owners claim is "allegedly
infringing", before there is even any legal trial or hearing on the material in
question, the guilty until proven innocent theory. ISPs needed to agree to this
so that they wouldn't be sued as well if one of their users posted
"infringing" material. It also prohibits tampering with encryption devices or
watermarks that identify digital property. 
Now the issue here is, regarding music, is who owns the copyright. The simple
definition is that "Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is
created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately
becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or
those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright."
So if you create a piece of music and either write it down or record it, you
own the copyright, unless you as an author have given your copyright away, or
it was a work "done for hire". Most recorded music fits under this category,
you sign a contract and you either assign your copyright to the record label
(please forgive my 60's terminology here) or you produce music "for hire" for
the record company. I would be willing to bet that Nanci Griffith no longer
owns copyright to the bulk of her music. 
Now let's look at the concept of "fair use" as it applies to the recording
industry.  Here is the fair use law, and the 4 criteria which courts use to
judge if your copy can be considered "fair use":

Fair Use Law 17 U.S.C. 107 (1988 & Supp. IV 1993). Section 107 provides in
part: Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use
of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes
such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple
copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement
of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any
particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include: 
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a
commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work; 
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the
copyrighted work as a whole; and 
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the
copyrighted work. 

The court will look at purpose and character of use. Let's say you copied a
Tony Rice song, because you were trying to teach yourself some guitar runs.
You can easily argue that the copy is for home use, not commercial, and
serves an educational purpose. You are aware that the copyrighted work is a
sound recording. Now, how much did you copy, the whole song, part of the
song, the whole CD? If you copy the entire CD, the record company can easily
argue the substantiality portion of the law. But the fourth one is where it
gets interesting, and where the Metallica position comes in. What effect
does Napster have on the potential market for, or value of Metallica CDs? A
very grey area. Some can argue that yes, users will not buy Metallica CDs if
they can get the songs free off the net, others can argue that they never
would have bought the CD anyway, they just wanted some samples of the
material for "educational purposes" and they copied individual songs, not
the entire CD. But this last factor, even though it looks favorable for a
recording company, actually has one big loophole in it. If an album or a CD
is out of print or no longer available, your copy will not have any effect
on the potential market for, or value of the copyrighted work, because there
is no market for an out of print work. Your argument here is easy, you
copied it because you could not legitimately buy it.

So Shawn, if the Napster folks are knocking on your door, the concept of
fair use may be your best ally. As for the recording industry, they have
been exploiting artists for decades, the fight here should not be between
the recording companies and "pirates", but between the recording companies
and the "artists". A closer examination will reveal that the recording
companies act more like pirates than the record pirates they are chasing.

Roman (we're all music students) from Ohio

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Subject: NN: RE: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:25 +0100
   From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>

I think I have to say something about this. I think MP3 is the part of the
future of music production, there's no getting away from that, it may well
(probably will in fact) be superceded by something else but it's here now,
it's a fact of life. Now, our beloved leaders are always telling us, we have
to wake up to the global economy, we have to embrace new technology,
and so on and so on. I say fine, I like new technology, especially when
it makes my life more interesting. Of course what record companies want
from new technology and what I want is something totally different. I want
to log on, steal music from under the very noses of the corporate behemoths
(am I spelling that right?) and damn the consequences. OK so their argument is
if we don't pay for it, creativity will be stifled, the poor struggling artists
(I'm thinking about Metallica here obviously) will have to sell their mothers
and we'll never hear the likes of them again...oh dearie me.

Obviously I'm simplifying widely here and I don't really want to rip people off
from their livlihoods, but, let me say one thing, I CANNOT AFFORD 20 DOLLARS
FOR A CD! And I won't buy stuff for twenty dollars that might be terrible, so
how am I going to hear fabulous new stuff especially when radio is becoming
increasingly bland and dominated by those same record companies if someone
doesn't tape it, rip it, or send it to me some other way?

What I would see as a perfect world, is where we listen to something, and then
if we download the whole track we pay something, preferably directly to
the artist, wouldn't that be a blast? No more record companies, who for the
majority are worse than useless, no more overpaid A & R men, the creative
people get the dough and keep on being creative. Where's the problem?
I'm sure there is loads and people will tell me about them...

Oh, I know I'm an idealistic fool, but I can dream can't I? And in the
meantime, I'm going to keep on 'stealing', just like I always have, i.e.
playing tapes recorded by friends, taping stuff for people, etc. spreading the
music around and, you know, the music will survive...

Robert (Pugsley)

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Subject: NN: Re: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:48:53 +0200
   From: "Marius Molstad" (marius.molstad@c2i.net>

Well, to see the reality in this matter we have to look behind us. Which are
the oldest, music as an artform or record companies? The answer is of course
music and I'm not buying the argument that "stealing" music results in
stagnation in creativity among artists. Maybe music is only business to
Metallica, but how about that incredible old-time fiddle player in the
Appalachian mountains who sits today and play "Cripple Creek" like no one else
ever has done? 
I believe we have to separate music from business in a greater way. I've tried
Napster and have stolen some songs, but you can't find everything you want
here, you often get "transfer error" and the songs are often missing the
ending. Adults who wants music to listen to won't bother sitting there and
waiting, hoping and praying that the song gets finished. Napster can be looked
upon as a free marketing source that probably leads to a lot of CD sales. Young
people/teenagers probably fill out most of Napsters member-rate and this won't
disturb the record business, that's at least what I believe. 
As for me, I've bought a few CDs I otherwise probably hadn't bought if I hadn't
found the
interest through MP3s, but it'll never outdate having the whole record. I might
add that I really miss the old vinyl feeling, I've never been comfortable with
CDs and even less
comfortable with MP3s.

Marius Molstad

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   Subject: Re: NN: Re: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
      Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:13:59 -0400
      From: Tony Cox (tonycox@pacific.net.au>

Marius Molstad wrote:

> As for me, I've bought a few CDs I otherwise probably hadn't bought 
> if I hadn't found the interest through MP3s, but it'll never outdate 
> having the whole record. I might add that I really miss the old vinyl 
> feeling, I've never been comfortable with CDs and even less
> comfortable with MP3s.

Just to add a bit to my favourite (musical) hobby-horse:  the release of the
the current Steve Earle CD is the third consecutive one with stunningly
handsome cover-art work, and it got me thinking - how I would love to have been
able to appreciate them all in the larger (and sweeter sounding) format.

Tony, hankering back to the good ol' days.

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   Subject: Re: NN: Re: Intellectual Rights, MP3s, etc.
      Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:49:49 +0800
      From: "Bob McConnochie" (rsm@ppp.com.hk>

Another vote here for vinyl. The friction and resonance of the Old World of
recorded music (ie diamond scrapping across vinyl to replicate the friction
required to play the instrument) has been all but submerged in the New World
of Music consisting of On and Off switches. And we go happily along with
this and buy the damn things. Never mind the death of cover art, I had to
buy a magnifying glass to be able to read some CD inserts! They don't even
put a little thread in the cellophane so you can open them without biting
and scratching at the corners like a rabid dog.

Dupes, the lot of us. I am not interested in MP3, Napster, or any more
supply channels for these On/Off switches.

Does anyone else out there remember how Jaco Pastorius' bass on Hejira used
to sound when you listened to it on a record deck?

Bob 'Luddite' Mc

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Subject: NN: When Dwight Strikes Up The Band
   Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:47:33 -0400
   From: hickorywind@inos.com (Kenneth A. Steffel)

With regards to John Graveling's letter of 6/7/2000, and his query on
dwightyoakamacoustic.net. It links to a rather sparse site with two
reviews, and tour dates, from a D.Y fan.
 
Here, let me save you some time.
http://www.dwightyoakamacoustic.net

Peace! late.

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Subject: Re: NN: Jaco's Bass
   Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:41:25 EDT
   From: Brimpls@aol.com

Bob, 

I sure do remember the sound of "Hejira" as an album. I also remember the day 
I bought it and where I sat while I listened to it for the first time--it's 
one of those sophomore-year-at-college memories that for some reason is as 
clear today as if it just happened, but we know it was more than 20 years ago!

But yes, the sound of Jaco's bass and the sonic bliss that was that Joni 
Mitchell album is one of my favorite new-album memories. I have "Hejira" on 
CD now and you are right, it's not the same. I also have "Blue" and many 
other Joni classic albums on CD, some on cassette for the car, and the old 
albums are stacked up in the cellar near our old broken-down turntable. 

Funny you should mention Joni today, 'cause something Gin wrote on the Nanci 
Net today brought Joni to mind. She wrote:

Oh My, What Have I Gotten Myself Into! I just want to be back in the garden
listening to Nanci with dirt under my nails!

and all I could hear in my mind was Joni singing "and we've got to get 
ourselves back to the garden" ("Woodstock"). Hmm. Must be a Joni night!

Sabrina in Minneapolis (also known as "Lobster Mom" in honor of my recently 
acquired sunburn--ouch!)

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Subject: Re: NN: Jaco's Bass
   Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:35:46 EDT
   From: Proensa@aol.com

(( But yes, the sound of Jaco's bass and the sonic bliss that was that Joni 
 Mitchell album is one of my favorite new-album memories. I have "Hejira" on 
 CD now and you are right, it's not the same. >>

Hey, y'all!!

It's been a Joni MONTH for me, ever since that tribute special. I'm still 
blown away by Cyndi's performance of Carey.

I can't talk about the sound difference between lp and cd, since most of my 
Joni is still ON lp, but I would like to remind you about her live album, 
Shadows & Light. It's from her 1979 tour, and features Jaco, Pat Metheny and 
Lyle Mays. Incredible performances. 

On another note, I have to share with you how excited I am. Not only do I get 
to see Nanci & Emmylou (and tons of other great people, including David 
Crosby!) this summer at the Lyons Folks Festival, I'm also getting to see 
Emmylou TOMORROW in Sedona, Arizona. Should be a gorgeous venue to see her.

AND I just learned yesterday that Nanci is coming to our little town of 
Flagstaff next year with Jerry Jeff Walker on April 28!!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!

cheers!
Dwayne

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Subject: NN: Mitchell and Pastorias
   Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:26:25 -0600
   From: "Deb Thornton" (68coyotes@onms.com>

Joni must be in the ether these days. Not a week ago I was discussing
Hejira with a fellow NanciNetter who said he was giving it another listen:

I hope you'll sit down and listen with the lyric sheet and the headphones
and take the whole Hejira with her. It's an album-length road trip with
moments of bliss, pain, awareness. I don't know what it adds up
tosomething different every time. And on the vinyl that I own (also a
European pressing), she doesn't use the name Joni anywhereit always says
Mitchell this and Mitchell that. I find that interesting, the hint that
even to herself her identity as composer, singer, producer, was different
on this album.

My music-playing friends just can't figure what the album holds for me.
Musically, they tell me, it's so boring, especially compared to the
"interesting" stuff she did in her early years. Well, somewhere in the
genius lines of the whole product, from the white lines of the free
freeway to the clouds of Michelangelo, muscular with gods and sungold, is a
powerful witness of being human, of being alone, of being in motion, of
flight, of failure, of triumph. We're only particles of change, I know, I
know, orbiting around the sun, but how can I have that point of view when
I'm always hung up on someone (orbiting someone else)? Each so deep and
superficial between the forceps and the stone. The church candle wax
rolling down like tears, and the similitude of hope and hopelessness. The
coyote, the skateboard, the bluehaired house rules, Furry, the black crow,
and always Amelia--the high point of the record.

What a piece of work that one is, all the way through. Anyway, the music
part is a subdued duet between Mitchell and Jaco Pastorias, a great
fretless bass player. It's down there and you have to go down there and
listen to it, crawl underneath the vocals and the words and
listen to the sublime exchange, the sweet alone and together that those
instruments record.

I echo the observation that the cd just doesn't sound as good as the vinyl.
After I bought the record, I listened to that lp every night for two weeks
with headphones. Memorized it. That was 16 summers ago when the dollar was
strong in Europe, and I bought a Joni record every two weeks from my
row-house neighbor in s'Gravenzande, a little Dutch town on the coast. The
great thing is that I still find nuances in her work no matter how closely
I think I've listened to it.

Finally, Dwayne notes that you can hear Jaco and Pat and Lyle on her
Shadows and Light recording (no comparison whatsoever between that vinyl
and the cd--the latter is missing a few songs). You can also get the video
of those concerts, which features a remarkable Pastorias solo (with
himself, essentially) that didn't make the record's cut. Killer.

Hail, blithe spirits,
deb "going to Chastain two nights in a row in July---yesssssssss!" thornton

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