// Very short digest, but what's here is good stuff.
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: Vince Bell - Nanci's Other Voices
   Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:55:15 EDT
   From: Catelaw@aol.com
rweintraut@msn.com writes:

> >Well friends out in the madness I am proud to announce that Vince Bell is 
>  playing a special concert at Douglas Corner on Wednesday 9th August. It's 
>  still a few weeks away, so it gives y'all a chance to plan a trip to 
>  sunny middle Tennessee. (
>  
>  And if you haven't seen Vince Bell... you are missing one of the best.


Hey to all,

There's been a good bit of discussion about Vince Bell since the Atlanta 
blow-out almost two weeks ago now and with the news of his Nashville 
appearance, I have to add my two cents worth.  For the sake and cerebral 
capillaries of the 17soreheads on the list who may wish to respond that 
"isn't this the NANCInet?" and for Sarah's sweet and self-effacing spirit 
that may regard this as spam, let me put it into a Nanci-context.

In the liner notes to "Other Voices, Other Rooms," Nanci wrote, "[His] 
comments reminded me of the importance in influence other songwriters have 
made in both inspiring and shaping me into the songwriter I have become...an 
idea in my mind for this project which has become a full grown family tree of 
the songs, voices and writers whose music so firmly gave me roots and the 
strength to branch out on my own as a writer."  She also described the "Who's 
Who" of great singer/songwriters whose work she considered for inclusion on 
the Grammy-winning CD and the difficulty of winnowing down to the final 17 
that were actually recorded.

Among those giants of course, is a short, almost courtly piece called "Woman 
of the Phoenix" written by Vince Bell.  I've read many posts from this group 
describing the special meaning this song has held and continues to hold for 
them.  One of the amazing things about it to me is that it speaks as well 
from a woman's perspective as from a man's, as it was originally written, 
displaying the universal perspective of its author.  Another favorite, "Sun, 
Moon & Stars" on Nanci's wonderful LNGH, was also written by Vince, as well 
as "I've Had Enough" that Lyle Lovett covered on "Step Inside This House."

Despite all this plus John Graveling's ravings about "Texas Plates," Vince's 
book, "One Man's Music" and other such cheerleading, I finally put Vince Bell 
on my "should listen to soon" list last year. This was after rereading 
Nanci's book, "Other Voices, A Personal History of Folk Music" in which she 
included brief sketches of the artists' works featured on "Other Voices, 
Other Rooms." But I STILL never heard him sing or play the first note until 
the ACL special with Lyle Lovett and his tribute to his Texas songwriter 
buddies.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, etc.

It is impossible to describe the aura that surrounds this man when you are 
fortunate enough to meet him in person, so I'm not going to try.  His story 
is as compelling as anything you will ever read, but his music stands alone.  
I will say that I have finally understood what Nanci and Lyle and John 
Graveling have been trying to say for so long.

But it took Vince Bell himself to finally drive that truth home.

Cate, one hardheaded unit, in Atlanta

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Subject: Re: NN: Vince Bell - Nanci's Other Voices
   Date: Wed, 19 Jul 00 22:07:27 +0100
   From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>

Magnifique Cate!!! No matter how much us fans rant and rave, unless we 
can get someone to listen to the music, all those rantings will fall on 
deaf ears. Only Vince can say it like Vince and you have heard and 
appreciated that. Unique is a word used too frequently when we try to get 
someones attention in musical circles, but to Vince Bell it does apply. 
Both to his music and his life (who else living can possibly have read 
their own obituary??).

A great writer, a poet and I'm pleased to say a great friend.

John "converted one, now for the rest!!!" Graveling

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Subject: NN: Concert Review
   Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:53:42 EDT
   From: Rocalittl@aol.com

Hey everybody,
    There's a real positive review at sonicnet.com, under the folk link, of 
Nanci's show Sunday at Stanford U., which was a benefit that raised over 
400,000 dollars for The Children's Health Council. Check it out.
                                ~Lisa

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Subject: NN: Adopt-A- Minefield NG content obvious
   Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:00:38 -0400
   From: hickorywind@inos.com (Kenneth A. Steffel)

Hey Big Spenders, This has been a thread, and topical in the Last 6 months
on the NN:sounds like a lot of work, for an individual to undertake in
their community. Sounds like a well-worthwhile task. Land mines are SOOOOO
easy to plant, So hard to remove. Pretty easy to find one too, just take a
stroll. Dont you just love the duality of Human existence !  

Adopt-A-Minefield
http://www.landmines.org

Adopt-A-Minefield is a campaign aimed at assisting the United Nations
effort to remove landmines around the world. How does it work? According to
their page, "Sponsors raise funds in their communities to clear their
'adopted' minefields and return land to productive use." The project is
presently operating in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cambodia,
Croatia, and Mozambique. To find out how to contribute to the effort, visit
this site, whose development and maintenance is funded by the U.S.
Department of State, the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, and the
Office of Humanitarian Demining Programs. 

 Peace,    ken.

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    Subject: NN: Patty Griffin promo Cd
       Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:54:08 -0500
       From: Bill Lavery (bill@villagerecords.com>

I think there might be some Patty Griffin fans here.  We just got a
small quantity of a pretty neat promotional only CD from her label, A&M,
and we are offering them free with a purchase of three CDs at our
website.  

Here are the contents:
A&M has issued a promotional only sampler of Patty Griffin music.  AMRR
10118-2.

contents:

Let Him Fly     from Living With Ghosts
Tony            from Flaming Red
Silver Bell     from upcoming album, Silver Bell
Standing        otherwise not available
Mary            live at The Mint in L.A.

Clocks in at about twenty minutes.

go to:
http://www.villagerecords.com/promotions

I hope this doesn't come off as too spammy.  

Bill Lavery

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Subject: NN: SLC Show
   Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Tanya Marie Sanchez (tanyamsanchez@yahoo.com>

I know that everyone in Utah is probably busy gearing
up for Pioneer Day but I was curious if any type of
get together was planned by local NanciNetters for the
Aug 4th show at Abravanel Hall.  Let me know if so
'cause I'd like to meet ya'll.  

I'd really like to go see Nanci at Deer Valley also
but a friend of mine is getting married that night so
I have to be content with just one of the shows.

take care,
Tanya 

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Subject: NN: Ohio Show and my Orwellian rant
   Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
   From: "Panchyshyn,Roman" (panchysr@oclc.org>

Howdy folks,
Been away for a while on vacation, got back to work and found my mailbox
crammed full of NN messages, many of them about the fine time everyone had
in Atlanta. 
First, let me throw in my support for Bill Page, I think he does a fine job
with the list. If anyone disapproves of the way Bill runs this list, they
are free to speak right up, but they won't find much sympathy from me.
Second, while on vacation, I managed to catch some of the congressional
hearings on Napster. I know we talked about this before on the list, but I
don't remember it being mentioned that NG was one of the artist signers of a
full page ad that the music industry had taken out against Napster, and was
displayed prominently at these hearings.
Being a librarian, I'd like to throw out a question to this list, which is
sort of related to this Napster issue, and hopefully doesn't repeat what we
talked about before. Right now, if you purchase a book, movie, CD, score,
magazine ...., you, in effect, own a copy of that work. Outside of breaking
existing copyright laws, you are free to do what you want with that item.
You can listen to a CD 100 times, or till it wears out. You can take a book
anywhere reasonable you want to read it. You can lend the item to a family
member or friend. You can borrow a copy from the library. And, for the most
part, libraries adhere to a policy of privacy, once items are returned,
borrowing records for items that a patron has checked out are destroyed so
that no permanent "log" or profile of what you read is kept. There have been
many cases where libraries have been asked by law enforcement agencies, the
last notable one being the Unabomber, to turn over circulation records to
patrons, and the library has refused.

With the advent of the e-book, and by extension all other media that are
currently available or will be made available in digital mode, the
publishing industry (which includes the recording industry) is looking to
establish the narrowest concept of fair use of published material possible,
while simultaneously depriving those who access published material of the
rights to privacy currently enjoyed by library users. Ideally, what
publishers want is the pay-per-use model for all media, anytime, anywhere,
using tools such as encryption and electronic watermarking to track and
control distribution of their products. The transition from the "book" model
to the "electronic book" model opens the door for information providers to
compile personal profiles on their readers/users for commercial, or other
more nefarious purposes. And all of this will be legal and not covered under
the privacy models most public libraries have in place now. Take the Napster
case, for instance. Wasn't the music industry able to identify some 300,000
users that downloaded Metallica files via the web?
Imagine if music goes to a "pay per view" model? You will no longer be able
to purchase a CD, only access to that CD. You pay $20, you are given a
specific access code or key or watermark that allows you to access files
stored on a remote server and play them back as often as you like, through
your PC or some other device. You now no longer have a copy of those music
files, you just have access to them for life. You can't copy or share that
material the way you can currently with books or CD's. And someone is
keeping track of what you have access to and how frequently you access it.
Artists like Metallica, and even NG, should think about where they fit in
this model. Will they receive a royalty for every "access" sold, or will
they settle for a lump sum payment from the recording industry, then allow
the industry to collect royalties and access fees on the material for the
next 90 years? How much money, in this model, will actually go back to the
artist? And there is the issue of selection. If a record company refuses to
pick up an artist or drops an artist, they will disappear from the
"network". Is this censorship, will there be any alternative ways to
distribute music? I think that these are the issues that artists such as NG
should contemplate, as well as the Napster issue. What was that old Spirit
tune "1984, knocking on your door ..." Or was it "We've got nothing to hide,
we're married to the same bride"?

Maybe we'll see some of you folks in Lancaster this Saturday. And for my
last sarcastic joke of the day, let's hope that if Nanci sings Goin' Back to
Georgia, she remembers that Lancaster Ohio was the birthplace of General
Sherman. I don't think our Southern friends would want him back there again.

See ya.
Roman from Ohio

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    Subject: NN: napster, bootlegs and all that jazz
       Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT)
       From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>

> while on vacation, I managed to catch some of the congressional
> hearings on Napster..

I would like to raise my hand and say this topic should be avoided on
this...and every other...list.   Like religion, politics, and a handful
of others it is a question that has no answer, and a discussion that
degenerates into bitter conflict almost instantly.  We cannot solve it,
and like a**holes we all have opinions on it, as they say...and as such
they are (and should be) very personal.  I won't show you mine.

I do not chose to tell anyone here how to live her/his life...nor accept
anyone telling me how to live mine.  My absolute joy is that we come
together in peace, over art, and in expectation and exploration...

I know we disagree on many, many subjects.  I know we agree on one.  I
also know that each person here is honorable...true to him/herself and
trying to do no harm.  Let's leave it at that and not get down to the
specifics of how each one of us chooses to do that.

Please and with love,

Sarah 

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Subject: Re: NN: Ohio Show and my Orwellian rant
   Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:05:33 -0400 (EDT)
   From: B0DIE62460@aol.com

Hi ya'll,

I read Roman and Sarah's comments, and I tend to agree in portion with both 
of them.  I own a mailing list of my own, and have some thoughts on the issue 
- I'd like to use an example, not going into the 'napster' ordeal, right now. 
 I want to use a simpler example than that.  Let's say for instance, that 
Sarah has the capability of 'burning' cds, and she is making copies of 
Nanci's cds for her friends.  Then, let's say she gets on this list, and 
tells you that's what she's doing.  (Hopefully no one would ever do that, but 
you never know).......  it's when she takes the issue 'public' to the list, 
is where the 'sticky wicket' begins - because if she has said publicly that's 
what she's doing - then Bill is now the one in trouble, for this having been 
put out publicly on his list.  Let's say, that Roman - in addition to being a 
librarian, is also working at Nanci's record label, and sees Sarah's note.  
If he wants to, he can then take issue with it, and lawsuits prevail.  In 
essence, I state in my welcome note to my mailing list, that I'm NOT 
responsible for what the list subbers do OFF line, and anything regarding 
copyrighted material has to be 'approved' by the management of the singer, 
first before putting to the list.  Bill, and possibly world.com would both 
possibly end up with the trouble - not necessarily Sarah.  What I tell my 
listers - offline, you're a 'grown woman' do what you want - just don't tell 
me about it!  It's either that - or get proper approval before going 
'public'........

See ya
Beth
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