// Hope you had a good weekend...we did.
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: jumping in
   Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:31:40 -0700
   From: JOHN PRIVE (prive@internetcds.com>

I saw Nanci in Silverton OR. I guess I was at a different concert than
the other person who posted. Nanci only played a little over an hour.
She was in great spirits and looked great. Her voice was OK but sounded
better last summer. I enjoyed myself, I am a HUGE Nanci fan, but this
one left me saying, "Is this all there is? I wanted so much more..".
Well, hindsight is 20/20, and had I to do over again, I would not have
made the 4 hour treck to get there. I payed $27.00 to see a local artist
play a few songs and then Nanci for an hour and 15 minutes. With only
one new song in the lineup, it just wasn't worth it. (oh yeah, the sound
was terrible. It seemed to really be bothering James!)

Last night I saw Stacey Earle open for Willie Nelson. She kept 2000
people enthralled. She played for 50 minutes and she was having a ball.
Willie on the other hand played a two hour medley in 4/4 time. If Nanci
ever gets to THAT point, I'm really outa there! BORING!! But Willie did
play for a long time, all for 29 bucks and in my own backyard!

Was that enough Nanci content, Bill? I was hoping this knowledgeable
group of people could help this tail end baby boomer with Beatle trivia.
I am enjoying Dar Williams new CD and love the song about Yoko Ono. I
don't understand the Chuck Berry reference. Anyone help? "When he said
her voice would carry, and when he whispered old Chuck Berry, only then
would Yoko set him free." And there is also a reference to selling songs
to Nike. I remember Nike using a Beatle song without permission. Was
Yoko Ono involved in this, and what was the song?

Thanks for being there,
Molly P.

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Subject: Re: NN: jumping in
   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>

Molly Prive (prive@internetcds.com> wrote:

> I am enjoying Dar Williams new CD and love the song
> about Yoko Ono. I
> don't understand the Chuck Berry reference. Anyone
> help? "When he said
> her voice would carry, and when he whispered old
> Chuck Berry, only then
> would Yoko set him free." And there is also a
> reference to selling songs
> to Nike. I remember Nike using a Beatle song without
> permission. Was
> Yoko Ono involved in this, and what was the song?

 
I can kinda answer this but I'm sure others have
answers closer to the bull'seye.  The Chuck Berry
reference might be to the lawsuit filed against Lennon
by Chuck Berry's publishers for lifting lines from
"You Can't Catch Me" for "Come Together."  I don't
know of any direct Berry/Ono connection.  Wasn't it
Nike that used the song Revolution?  AGain, I don't
know whether Ono was involved with that; the catalogue
is owned by Michael Jackson.  Still, she might have
asked Jackson to get the catalogue active so as to
make money--when Paul McCartney let Buddy Holly's "Oh
Boy" be used in a commercial, his excuse was that
Buddy's widow asked him to get som revenue generated.

I was in such horror that I forgot the product being
advertized, but has anybody else heard Credence
Clearwater Revival's protest song "FORTUNATE SON"
being used in a commercial?  They get as far as "Some
folks were born to wave the flag/Oh the red white and
blue,"  But not as far as "they point the cannon right
at you."  Well, then's there's the butchering of
Robert Frost's poetry on another commercial....


// I was noticing the CCR song misuse just tonight...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Re: jumping in
   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:19:11 -0300
   From: "Douglas Dick" (cddick@viaccess.net>

I believe that the Chuck Berry reference may have been made because Berry
was on of Lennon's idols. In the song Come Together he cops a line from
Berry's You Can't Catch Me. Berry was also John and Yoko's guest on Mike
Douglas when they guest co-hosted the show in the early 70's. The Nike issue
may involve Michael Jackson allowing use of Lennon-McCartney material when
he outbid Paul for the Beatles song catalogue. Jackson allowed use of some
Beatle songs in commercials,something McCartney especially opposed.

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Subject: NN: NanciNet FAQ
   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:44:02 -0700
   From: "Julie Anne" (julieanne-101@home.com>

Bill Page writes,

> // Actually, I think anyone suggesting therapy would
> // have been doing so out of real concern for a favorite person.
> // It's not "judgemental," at all, IMNSHO. [BP]

We know from the accounts people shared here about RMFF that Nanci Griffith
had a trying day and she was visibly upset.  An audience member then made
the observation on this list that he hopes she gets the therapy she needs.
When a person supposes to know what another person needs, especially in such
a derogatory sense, I believe that is passing judgment.

There is contained in the NanciNet FAQ/Posting Rules the following:

"Remarks which are . . . personally derogatory are not welcome."

I believe this standard should apply to all remarks, including those made
about Nanci Griffith.  Perhaps since she's not on this list to rebuke such
comments, the standard should apply especially to remarks made about her.

Julie "it was only one bad day, let's keep it in perspective" Anne

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Subject: NN: Celtic Music (No Nanci Content)
   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:14:21 EDT
   From: RoanInish@aol.com

Since the topic of Natalie MacMaster has led us into a discussion of Celtic 
music I was wondering if anybody knows anything about the music of Brittany.  
I have "discovered" this brand of Celtic music thanks the a magnificent CD 
called "Noels Celtiques: Celtic Christmas Music From Brittany" by Ensemble 
Choral Du Bout Du Monde (on the wonderful Green Linnet label) as well as 
Kornog's "Premiere" (also Green Linnet) and "Celtic Wedding" by the 
Chieftains.  Are there any other titles someone can recommend, and are their 
any web sites devoted to this type of Celtic music?  Thanks!

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Subject: NN: phila. sightings
   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:02:22 EDT
   From: Scaryxxx@aol.com

((  hope they got the guitars back that were rumoured to be lost.  That's a 
tough blow for any musicians>> 

All the guitars that I'm used to seeing were present at the Phila. show.,
as for future concerts I wouldn't throw my ticket out. 

Gary

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Subject: NN: Richard Thompson tickets
   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:09:43 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Dan Gerson (dpgerson@yahoo.com>

Anybody want to see Richard Thompson at Saratoga (San
Jose, California area) this Wednesday, Sept. 6th? I've
got 3 tickets I can't use.

Call my friend Adam (I'm out of town) at 408-978-8517.


// I don't know if these tickets are still available...[BP]


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Subject: NN: Nanci on Digital Radio?
   Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 16:06:36 -0400
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

I have seen the future of music and its name is Digital Radio. Right now,
most digital radio is only available to those who s*bscr*be to digital
satellite tv- such as DirecTV or Dish Network. My Dish Network system was
installed on Wednesday, and I've spent more time listening to the Acoustic
Sounds music channel than I have watching TV. This service solves most of
the problems with old-fashioned radio. There are no commercials (or even
DJs) so the quality and breadth of the programming is not influenced by the
mass market. As long as the programmer knows the musical genre, you get a
near-ideal mix of big stars and lesser-known artists. Just on Saturday
morning, I've heard the following:

Emmylou Harris       Alison Krauss
Alison Brown         Dar Williams
Guy Clark            Kate Rusby
Tony Rice            Ry Cooder
Dave Alvin           John Prine
John Hiatt           Cheryl Wheeler
Tom Russell          Katy Moffat
Judith Edelman       Jerry Garcia
Townes Van Zandt     Kevin Welch
Claire Lynch         Steve Forbert
Mary Black           Jack Williams
Tim O'Brien          Cliff Eberhardt
Lyle Lovett          Steve Goodman
Gillian Welch        Robert Earl Keen
Kate Wallace         Kim Richey
and an equal number of lesser-known names

The only question is "Where's Nanci?" Surely they play her songs, but I
haven't heard one yet. What they need is a website for the Digital Radio
service where they can post playlists and accept suggestions.

>From the Georgia Pines,

Steve Robertson

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci on Digital Radio?
   Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:48:15 EDT
   From: Petop@aol.com

(( The only question is "Where's Nanci?" Surely they play her songs, but I
 haven't heard one yet >>

   Just about everyone you mentioned is in heavy rotation on folk radio right 
now. Nanci isn't. Her last album came out over a year ago and even that one 
didn't make many "heavy rotation" lists. The album that most folk djs program 
these days is "Other Voices Too." What I find more surprising is that you 
didn't hear Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer, Chris Smither, Laura Love, Burns 
Sisters and Donna the Buffalo, Steve Earle, Peter Case, Tish Hinojosa, Peter 
Keane, Christy McWilson, Ellis Paul, Jimmy Dale Gilmore, Richard Shindell and 
Slaid Cleaves, not to mention any number of bluegrass artists who are being 
played heavily (Sam Bush, Rhonda Vincent, Seldom Scene, Lonesome River Band 
and Nickel Creek) who are all garnering very heavy airplay right now. 

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci on Digital Radio?
   Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:51:01 -0400
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>

Petop@aol.com wrote:
 
> Just about everyone you mentioned is in heavy rotation on folk radio right
> now. Nanci isn't. Her last album came out over a year ago and even that one
> didn't make many "heavy rotation" lists. The album that most folk djs program
> these days is "Other Voices Too." What I find more surprising is that you
> didn't hear Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer, Chris Smither, Laura Love, Burns
> Sisters and Donna the Buffalo, Steve Earle, Peter Case, Tish Hinojosa, Peter
> Keane, Christy McWilson, Ellis Paul, Jimmy Dale Gilmore, Richard Shindell and
> Slaid Cleaves, not to mention any number of bluegrass artists who are being
> played heavily (Sam Bush, Rhonda Vincent, Seldom Scene, Lonesome River Band
> and Nickel Creek) who are all garnering very heavy airplay right now.

You make a good point. One reason I'm so excited about this
satellite-delivered digital music is that I don't have a folk or Americana
radio station within range. Broadband Internet is also not available and not
likely. Over the last four or five days, I have heard almost everyone you
mentioned. They even played one of Nanci's songs this morning- and it was
from OV2, just as you said.

>From the Georgia Pines,
Steve Robertson

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Subject: NN: Nanci on Digital Radio?
   Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:29:31 -0300
   From: "Douglas Dick" (cddick@viaccess.net>

There are some pluses to this kind of service, but I am not crazy about
these stations. Without disc jockeys they sound sterile and bland. Being a
disc jockey myself I guess I am prejudiced. A good knowledgable DJ can make
a program a whole lot better. As an example listen to some of the
knowledgable DJ's on stations like WFUV and WXPN. On my show I give trivia
information and put themes together and give the latest info on the
artists.
For example on my show next week I will talk about the Philadelphia Folk
Festival and some of the artists who played there,including Nanci. I am not
sure how others feel but I do believe that a good DJ makes the program more
enjoyable and gives it a unique individual flavor.

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Subject: NN: Re: Digital Radio?
   Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:43:01 -0400
   From: "Shawn Kimbro" (kimbroj@charter.net>

Douglas writes:

> There are some pluses to this kind of service, but I am not crazy about
> these stations. Without disc jockeys they sound sterile and bland.

I gotta agree.  The last time I was down in Steve's neck of the woods I had
a chance to tune into some of the digital stations, and I too was extremely
impressed with the playlist.  But the highlight of that trip was a Friday
night bluegrass show DJ on a small Atlanta FM station.  I swear, the guy
sounded just like Marvin the Martian slowed down from 45 to 33.3 rpms!
Steve or Kate, do you know that fellow?  I loved his music selections, lots
of newgrass mixed with Stanley stuff, and everyone in our vehicle literally
cracked up when that guy started talking.  I can see how a voice like that
would really turn some people off, but I loved it. Eclectic is good!

My favorite station, and one that I think some of you tune into via the net,
is WDVX. (http://www.wdvx.com) The station manager, Tony Lawson is one of
the best DJs I've ever heard.  It's not because of his commentary (which is
sparse but good), but because of his song selection.  Even though the
station is known for very long sets of seven or eight songs, I can usually
tell when Tony's behind the microphone.  There always seems to be something
of a pattern to his sets.  For example, maybe he'll play a long string of
Townes Van Zandt or Dylan covers, or perhaps every song will be about the
same subject, train songs for example. I've even heard him link songs
together based on progressions of style.  For example he might start with an
old Skillet Lickers song, then go to a Ralph Stanley frailer, then Earl
Scruggs, then Bela Flek, then bring it back full circle with the Freight
Hoppers or Tara Nevins.  I don't even think it's always a conscious effort,
although sometimes around lunch time he'll announce a subject and have
listeners call in with suggestions.

So, in an area like the environs of Atlanta, where there is unfortunately a
surprising lack of good radio, I can see how digital is a welcome
alternative.  But I really enjoy the life breathed into the airwaves by DJs
who are students of the music they play.  Doug, is your show webcast?  It
sounds like something I'd like to tune in.

Warm Regards,
-Shawn

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Subject: NN: Re: Digital Radio?
   Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:29:12 GMT
   From: "Steve Gilmore" (svgil@hotmail.com>

Shawn:

Think the Atlanta station you picked up is the same one my wife and I picked 
up while we were there in July - WRFG, 89.3.  When we picked it up, they 
were playing a program of musicians from the big band era.  The host of that 
program says on the station's website "You don't have to be dead to be 
played on my show, but it helps."

Then there is WNCW, which also is on the web.  They sometimes do something 
like you described in grouping songs together which have some kind of common 
element, be it the artist, style, topic, or title.

Hope all of you had a good Labor Day.

SVG

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Subject: NN: Ramblin Jack Eliot NNC
   Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:11:48 -0700
   From: Kim Cline (threebf@pacbell.net>

Last night, my wife & I went to the newly released documentary about
Ramblin Jack Eliot.  I had heard his name mentioned often here before
but knew nothing about him.  It was great.  The documentary was done by
and from his daughter's point of view.  It included footage of Woody
Guthrie, Arlo, Pete Seeger, Odetta, Dave Van Ronk, Bob Dylan, Johnny
Cash etc. etc. etc. Though it focused on the life of Jack Eliot, it gave
me a better insight on folk history.  If and when this documentary comes
to your town I definitely recommend that you all see it.  The other 4
people in the theater liked it too.

Kim "It sucks to be a folkie in So. Cal" Cline

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