NanciNet Digest 10-08-01
// A little bit about the Reading concert, and a couple of teapot
// tempest. Enjoy! [BP]
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Subject: NN: 2 Tickets (face Value) Cambridge (UK) This Sat 13th
From: kennon gary (thecornishcat@barclays.net>
Date: 8 Oct 2001 17:27:27 +0100
With several problems on the go, another was added when my son injured
himself playing football at school today
It is looking more and more like I will not make it on Saturday so
would anyone like 2 tickets near the front on the left (near fire exit
for those who know the place!)
£20.50 each either to be collected within 48 hrs from Norwich (cash ONLY),
or paid by Credit Card (I have a Paypal account) and I will post by
registered 1st class post (£2.00 extra)
If I do not sell them I may email again on thurs/fri for 1 ticket &
go on my own.
Gary Kennon
PS. DO NOT PAY PAYPAL WITHOUT CHECKING TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE
WITH ME 1st!!!
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Subject: NN: Reading
From: NigelGBrown@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 05:13:08 EDT
I cannot add much to John Graveling's fast posting. It took us over 2 hours
to get to Reading so by the time we got home I was too shattered to post. I
enjoyed Chas Williams. Pat seemed to have more toys in the drum kit than
usual with boxes and bells to play with. The lighting was an entertainment
in itself with a yellow glow through the auditorium for Lost him in the sun
and stars flashing around for Armstrong. Her voice was better than on the
CD.
I tried to do a set list but may have messed it up as my writing is poor at
the best of times without trying on a bit of scrap paper in the dark!
Tom and Andrew:-
Angel of Leon, Down the Rio Grande.
With Nanci:- St Olafs Gate, If I were a child, Canadian Whiskey and
Everything's gone straight to hell (was that it? I cannot read it?)
After the interval Nanci and the BMO:-
Speed of the sound of loneliness, Trouble in the fields, Two for the road,
These days in an open book, CWH, Shaking out the snow, Ghost inside of me,
FAD as a tribute to those lost in the word trade centre (not just 7000
people
but 7000 individuals, to paraphrase what she said), Lost him in the sun,
Hard life dedicated to her two grandmothers Babe and Sue, Gulf coast
highway,
Pearls eye view, Armstrong, Traveling through this part of you.
Return of Tom and Andrew for Wall of death, If I had a Hammer,
Encores What's that I hear?, White Freight liner.
My only plea is please can we find Lee Satterfield again, Leann Etheridge
is
good but not stunning.
Nigel B
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Subject: Re: NN: OT: Songs appropriate for a funeral
From: "The Kimbros" (kimbroj@charter.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:18:49 -0400
In addition to some originals which I can forward if you're interested, two
of my favorites that we do when asked to play funerals are:
Bright Morning Stars - Stanley Brothers
Go Rest High - Vince Gill
Sincerely,
-Shawn
http://mountainsoul.cjb.net
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Subject: RE: NN: OT: Songs appropriate for a funeral
From: "Ron Hennessy" (rhennesy@coserv.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:18:39 -0500
Vicki, I'd like to suggest a beautiful mourning song that seems especially
appropriate, from what you've told us:
Beth Nielsen Chapman's "Sand and Water."
Ron Hennessy
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Subject: Re: NN: Daily Mail reviews Croydon concert.
From: "Mike Barrett" (mikebarrettuk@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:19:03 +0100
Actually, the Daily Mail did say it was a "gentle dig", but even that is not
quite right. Nanci changed guitars quite frequently and at one point made a
joking comment along the lines that she had 20 guitars backstage and
lovingly selected just the right one to go with a specific song - "I'm so
professional - just like Madonna!". What the Mail failed to mention was the
warm smile on her face and the fact that after the laughter from the
audience subsided, she also said "I quite like Madonna actually".
There was no "stabbing" so please let's not go down that tiresome route
again.
Mike Barrett
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Subject: NN: RE: Shaking out the Snow - Reading, England
From: "Max Smith" (max@securitycontrol.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:54:38 +0100
Nanci was very nervous in the build-up to the song, but certainly gained
confidence as she got in to her stride. Occasionally glancing for
reassurance from the lyric sheets.
Just a thought, but having lurked from afar reading the myriad of reviews
that appeared here of "CWH" this summer. Our side of the Atlantic - the old
world - seemed warmer in appreciation of the infamous "Shaking...".
Is it possible that this viewpoint was conveyed to Nanci by an influential
lurker. Hence its introduction to the repertoire last night.
Who knows ?!
For any hesitants this side of the Pond without tickets yet for her UK
tour, get off your.... quick.
Top show in Reading last night by a top Sheila.
Max.
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Subject: Re: NN: RE: Shaking out the Snow - Reading, England
From: Poetmuse@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:32:42 EDT
max@securitycontrol.co.uk writes:
(( Our side of the Atlantic - the old
world - seemed warmer in appreciation of the infamous "Shaking...".
Is it possible that this viewpoint was conveyed to Nanci by an influential
lurker. Hence its introduction to the repertoire last night. >>
so you're basically saying that because more "old world (ie european)" fans
have mentioned liking the song that she's performing it for you and not the
rest of us?
yeah. right. (and give me a small break)
maybe nanci is just introducing new songs into play.... there's a thought.
-Christina
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Subject: Re: NN: RE: Shaking out the Snow - Reading, England
From: Halesbop@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:22:25 EDT
Well, I'm a guy from this side of the pond who does see some merit to Max's
assertion. I think it's very reasonable to assume that Nanci might
acknowledge that her fans abroad have different tastes and may appreciate
other things. Clearly she's taking some liberty with her setlists in the UK
that seem refreshing to me. (But I have to admit that last thing I'd want to
hear now is the excruciatingly overdone FAD and her accompanying comments.)
Does she monitor NN or give a rat's ass what we say here? I doubt that. But
she may very well feel she can try things out overseas that might go over
better than they would here with fans in the states. At least she hasn't
taken to scolding the fans over there, cutting her sets short, or canceling
gigs on a few hours' notice. You folks should feel priveledged indeed.
Steve
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Subject: Re: NN: RE: Shaking out the Snow
From: Poetmuse@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:30:24 EDT
Last time I checked the biggest fan of Shaking out the Snow is probably
Nanci
herself. And Nanci's American- born and bred.
Personally I found the original comment to be full of snobbery; ie she can
play the more meaningful, closer to the heart songs in England because us
dumb Yanks can't quite grasp them? ?? ( yes. I know. that may not have been
said, but I felt it implied. )
The idea of someone, anyone, sitting down and marking off who likes the song
and who doesn't and what their nation of residence is, is quite frankly...
balderdash. Add to that the idea that whomever this person is would then run
and tell Nanci to play the song in England more than America is again...
balderdash.
I personally think Nanci has decided to bring out the song more in light of
September 11th's activities then anything else. To me there is a connection
there- things definitely feel cold around here in the States. She just
happens to be in Europe at this time, touring.
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Subject: Re: NN: RE: Shaking out the Snow
From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 01 21:15:30 +0100
Nanci has always reacted really well to her fans in the U.K. and Ireland.
As has been said, and told in the past, she will often come out backstage
at the end of shows over here in the U.K. and meet with her fans. I
gather that is, or was, a very rare occurrence in the U.S.A. I have seen
every tour she has played here in the last 15 years, and she does vary
her set lists, depending upon the cities and towns she is performing in,
although this is not as common as it was ten years ago. She did change a
couple of the key lyrics to "From A Distance", singing " and I can't
comprehend what your Holy war is for", she changed one other line, but I
cannot remember which, and I would hate to misquote her.
A fine set, the best for a number of years.
Rock on Nanci!!!
John Graveling
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Subject: Re: NN: RE: Shaking out the Snow
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:20:21 EDT
From: Catelaw@aol.com
Reply-To: Catelaw@aol.com
Amongst many other posts,
kai21@dial.pipex.com writes:
> Nanci has always reacted really well to her fans in the U.K. and Ireland.
> As has been said, and told in the past, she will often come out backstage
> at the end of shows over here in the U.K. and meet with her fans. I
> gather that is, or was, a very rare occurrence in the U.S.A. I have seen
> every tour she has played here in the last 15 years, and she does vary
> her set lists, depending upon the cities and towns she is performing in,
> although this is not as common as it was ten years ago.
Hey y'all,
On September 10, when we were all still so innocent here in America, amidst
another much ado about nothing, I wrote:
"What I'm waiting on, though, and may continue to wait for is
the concert report describing the aNGel performing "Shaking Out the Snow"
for
a live audience. Maybe in the UK..."
Okay, so I'm psychic, visionary even. But when I read John Graveling's
first
report of Nanci actually performing this achingly personal and difficult
piece of music, I was thrilled -- both for my friends across the pond who
got
to hear it and for Nanci, who must be feeling very strong these days to be
able to sing it.
I don't think it's at all unusual that Nanci might be more comfortable with
her UK audiences than those here in the states. After all and as much as we
Americans might wish it different, Nanci's fans in the UK and Ireland, etc.
made her a big star in Europe. Also, until just very recently, she's gotten
so little good press at home and been so generally bashed in reviews that
any
musician would probably be a little gun shy and prefer to stay with a tight
set list. And given her penchant to stick her foot in her mouth or "nut up"
as we say 'round here, that may be a *good* thing.
I'm just glad to hear (read) that she's "shaking" things up a bit. Maybe
when she comes back to the USA, we'll reap the benefits.
And, oh, my -- White Freightliner Blues, indeed!! If I was not so
fortunate,
I'd almost be jealous ;)
Cate, in Atlanta
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Subject: NN: The Kennedys at the me & thee
From: "Kathleen Sands Boehmer" (ksbedit@shore.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 09:00:38 -0400
Last night I had the wonderful opportunity to see the Kennedys for the
first time. A rather intimate crowd gathered at the me & thee coffeehouse
in Marblehead. Pete and Maura were driving up to Massachusetts from New
York and got stuck in horrendous track. A five-hour trip turned into eight
hours and they didn't roll into the building until well after the show was
going to start. Breathlessly, Pete and Maura unpacked their beautiful
guitars, didn't bother with a sound check, and began to sing. They later
said that the sound was better than other gigs where they had sound checks.
Many references to Nanci throughout the evening and Maura did a beautiful
rendition of "Pearl's Eye View." Totally charming.
Being the class act that this duo is, they gave everyone in the audience a
free cassette since they felt so bad about being late for the show.
If the Kennedys play anywhere near your town, don't miss them!
Kath
A chief event of life is the day
in which we have encountered
a mind that startled us.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
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Subject: NN: Madonna comment
From: "Lorrie Chase" (lchase@webshoppe.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:53:09 -0500
Donate wrote: "Again, I'm disappointed that Nanci has to continue
taking stabs at other female musicians who are successful in their
genre of music. It is so unnecessary."
Come on guys, lets don't start picking on Nanci AGAIN. She has the
right to kid around AND have opinions. Sounds like she's taking a stab
at comedy and I'm sure that to someone like Nanci Griffith who does not
take the majority of her clothes off and gyrate on the stage, Madonna is
comical. By the way, I like Madonna, she's one of the few female "POP"
stars that have controlled their own career. She's a genius in self
promotion and does not take any crap. I like that, even if her music is
not my pick. Either way, Let's not start judging Nanci again, even if
we don't agree. It sounds as bad as some people thinks she does!
Lorrie Chase
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Subject: Re: NN: Madonna comment
From: "Sarah Wrightson" (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 00:42:38 -0500
Lorrie Chase wrote:
> Sounds like she's taking a stab at comedy
Made me think of the early days in Houston at Anderson Fair, etc. when
Nanci et al were starting out. Those shows were part comedy and part
music, and some of the glib jesters did the best back then. It would be
a stage manner that she saw very early, though did not compete at, surely.
Oh, apropos of nothing, as usual...except it just made me think of a
time, 30 years ago, and Steve Fromholz and Townes Van Zandt and a host
of others who spent more time talking that playing. And we loved
it....because it was a moment in time/place with a number of greats, and
we listened to their humor and then they dropped a song that stunned.
Cheers to all,
Sarah W.
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Subject: NN: Come sit next to me
From: "Holly Reames" (hbreames@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:25:13 -0500
>From Adrian's review: "I'm so professional," the queen of folkabilly
told fans. "I'm just like Madonna!" And from Donate: "I'm disappointed
that Nanci has to continue taking stabs..."
Some of us Texas girls have a saying: "If you don't have anything nice to
say about anyone, come sit next to me."
Tacky? Yes. Fun? Endlessly.
I don't think Nanci was being hurtful - Madonna's the first to say she can
barely play the instrument. In fact, when she performed "Don't Tell Me" on
a late night talk show, she said she'd just started taking lessons and
actually had her guitar teacher perform with her so she could follow along.
She did a damn fine job, too.
Nanci doesn't seem to be a mean-spirited sort, so I'm just going to sit back
and enjoy her sense of humor. We'd never hurt anyone deliberately, but
giggling about someone wearing white shoes after Labor Day is every southern
girls' right. Now, if we call someone "precious" or "just darlin'", look
out...
Holly in Dallas, where we'd just *die* if we actually hurt someone's
feelings
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Subject: Re: NN: Come sit next to me
From: "Bill Page" (bpage3@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
--- Holly Reames (hbreames@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From Adrian's review: "I'm so professional," the queen of folkabilly
> told fans. "I'm just like Madonna!" And from Donate: "I'm disappointed
> that Nanci has to continue taking stabs..."
Funny thing is, if this was Ellis Paul taking a dig at Bob Dylan, or Bruce
Springsteen jabbing at, I dunno, James Taylor, nobody would notice or care.
But somehow the rules are supposed to be different for female performers?
BP
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Subject: Re: NN: Come sit next to me
From: Tricia9999@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:43:43 EDT
bpage3@yahoo.com writes:
> Funny thing is, if this was Ellis Paul taking a dig at Bob Dylan, or Bruce
> Springsteen jabbing at, I dunno, James Taylor, nobody would notice or
care.
> But somehow the rules are supposed to be different for female performers?
In a word? Yes. This is the real world, after all. There are, in fact,
different rules for behavior depending on one's gender.
Troublemaker,
Tricia
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Subject: Re: NN: Come sit next to me
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:01:33 EDT
From: Brimpls@aol.com
Tricia9999@aol.com writes:
>>But somehow the rules are supposed to be different for female performers?
>In a word? Yes. This is the real world, after all. There are, in fact,
>different rules for behavior depending on one's gender.
Hi Tricia, Bill, and all,
Tricia, while I see your point, I have to say that as an enthusiastic
concert-goer--across all genres--I have never heard any performer--of either
gender--"put down" another performer during a live show. Homages and
tributes, yes!*
Actually, Nanci is one of the best at giving credit where credit's due, at
pointing out wonderful songwriters and singers like Kate Wolf and Townes who
are no longer with us, at acknowledging her musical and personal debts and
paying homage to her many musical colleagues who have mentored and inspired
her. Goodness, she filled two whole albums with these acknowledgments, and
it wouldn't be a Nanci concert without her speaking about her influences.
Maybe it's in that context that her swipes at Madonna or Faith Hill or
anyone
else in music hit us a bit hard. We are accustomed to Nanci's gracious and
modest self.
Having said that, I personally feel that Nanci has arrived at that wonderful
age when she can more fully be herself, and if there's a part of herself
that
enjoys making these comments, well, she will do it, on or off stage. And my
approach is going to be to let it go in one ear and right out the other!
Because she shares so much good with us, that's what I'm going to appreciate
about her, and the grace, and charm, and warmth, and beauty, and talent that
makes her Nanci Griffith.
Sabrina in Mpls.
* What immediately comes to mind is Joan Baez's wonderful Dylan
imitation...especially when she does "Tangled Up in Blue" and does one verse
in her Dylan voice--it's a classic! Joan is a stitch! Did you all hear
that
she's joined the circus, literally, in California?
I am an enthusiastic concert-goer across all genres and don't believe I've
ever really heard a performer take time to mention some other performer in a
negative way during their show. That's my experience, anyway.
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