// A review, some discussion, some disgruntlement...
// Enjoy!  [BP]

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Subject: NN: XPN singer songwriter weekend  
   From: nannynan@earthlink.net  
   Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:58:05 -0400  

Greetings, all.

I went to the annual WXPN-FM sing songwriter weekend at the Penns 
Landing Festival Pier in Philadelphia yesterday and today. 
Originally Joan Baez was supposed to be the headliner on Saturday but 
she had to cancel because her sister Mimi Farina was very ill-- she 
died on Friday.  The headliner on today was Nanci Griffith, kicking 
off her Clock Without Hands tour.
The stage is at the end of a large flat asphalt area, and you are not 
allowed to bring lawn chairs, just blankets, but the pier does 
provide several rows of chairs. However people arrive at 12:30 when 
the gates open and dump stuff on the chairs to save them; likewise 
the blanket area gets filled up early.  However, there is a festival 
tent that you can see the stage from the side closest to the stage, 
while behind you there is a huge TV-video screen showing the stage. 
In this area also are benches and lots of tables and chairs, so my 
friend and I grabbed 2 chairs at a close table and got a pretty 
good view.  At 5:15 Nanci was scheduled to do a "meet and greet" and 
sign things at the VIP table in the members only area: as an XPN 
member I was able to stand in line and eventually ask her if she 
would sign a t-shirt if there was a person in it.  She looked 
doubtful then saw my shirt, perked up and said, "Oh, it's a NanciNet 
t-shirt" and signed it.

Nanci and  BMO were the last band and the only one that had properly 
balanced sound-- I suspect she brought her own sound person.  The 
other groups all had the instruments louder than the vocals.

Of course I can't give a set list but I'll try to list what she sang 
best as I can recall.  She opened with Across the Great Divide then I 
think Flyer.  In no particular order she did Wall of Death, Clock 
without Hands, Travelling through this part of you, It's a hard life, 
Trouble in the Fields, From a Distance, One Blade Shy of a Sharp Edge 
(dedicated to out President).  Can't recall everything,  She didn't 
do Gulf Coast Highway, to my disappointment.  For an encore she did 
This Heart.  I'm sure that's not the entire show.

My friend, who is a theatre professional and very picky about 
technical stuff, was very impressed with her sound quality.  He's 
never seen her perform before but has been almost over exposed to her 
music through my influence.

It was a great show and an enjoyable weekend.

Nancy with a Y
-- 
Persons with names like Sierra or Sequoia
   will not be permitted to sing the blues no
   matter how many men they shoot in Memphis.

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Subject: NN: Nanci article 
   From: "James Troiano" (James_Troiano@umit.maine.edu>  
   Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:16:53 -0400 

Hi folks: I really love that article about Nanci that Shawn pointed out in
Guitar World Acoustic (45). Bruce Springsteen is on the cover. It has some
wonderful pictures of Nanci and I like what it says about her. She is
called "legendary singer-songwriter"- I heard that on the World Cafe a few
weeks ago and it has a nice ring to it. In the article the author writes
regarding the album: "Its all just Nanci Griffith, who has made her name
synonymous with integrity and good taste." I have heard quite a few songs
and they played her cover of John Stewart's Lost Him in the Sun" on World
Cafe yesterday. That is indeed a knockout. I can't wait until July 31. Our
folk disc jockey said there have been a lot of requests for songs from the
album and Borders in Bangor, Maine is ordering 60 copies. Let's hope that
Nanci has a commercial success with this one. From what I have heard from
it, it is already an artistic success.  See you, Jim Troiano


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Subject: NN: speaking freely 
   From: Anna Henderson (Anna_Henderson@baylor.edu>  
   Date: 19 Jul 2001 21:01:02 -0500 

I noticed on Nanci's web site a picture of her and Sonny Curtis doing a
taping of a show called "Speaking Freely" back in April of this year.  Does
anyone know when this will be aired?  I have never heard of the show.  Can
someone enlighten me?

Anna

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Subject: NN: Nanci on Letterman 7/30 
   From: Nick Chinn (nchinn@deaddogparty.com>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 01 12:16:31 -0700 

Sorry if this has already been announced.
The Late Night TV Page lists Nanci appearing on the Letterman Show on 
Monday 7/30.

   http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html
 
As with all late night guest appearances, it's tentative and subject to 
last second cancellations.

-- Nick

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Subject: NN: online nanci and close to nanci music 
   From: Dan Gerson (DGerson@wsgc.com>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:11:07 -0700 

I just found a great web service.  You tell it your favorite artist and
it'll make you a virtual radio station that plays that artist (Nanci of
course) and others like her.
 
I just made a Nanci station and so far I've got a cuts by the Indigo Girls,
Emmylou, Van Morrsion, Joni  Mitchell, and Nanci herself. There are short
ads after every 5 or 6 songs, and it appears to be geared towards getting a
monthly subscription fee out of you, but there appear to be ways around
that  - like closing the program then opening it. 
 
Try it as www.musicmatch.com

// Later comments indicated that this is not a free service, and that
// it may not be Mac-friendly. [BP]

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Subject: NN: Reprise: Terri Hendrix and "Papoose" Guitars 
   From: Ron Hennessy (rhennesy@coserv.net>  
   Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:48:46 -0500 

Not that anybody seems much interested (except for the ever-courteous Hans),
but I talked to a guitarist at my church today about papoose guitars and the
Terri Hendrix concert.

He said a papoose guitar was a small guitar, tuned like a normal one, but
very "portable."

I mentioned that Terri had alternated between a papoose, a regular sized
guitar, and a mandolin.

The guitarist told me the papoose could be tuned up to a minor third higher
than a regular guitar: in other words, up from E to G.

(I also posted a question about this on Terri's chat board, but got no
response.)

Any comments, additions, or objections to this would be welcome.  (And I
promise I won't bring this up again!)

Faithfully,

Ron Hennessy

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Subject: NN: Re: Reprise: Terri Hendrix and "Papoose" Guitars 
   From: "The Kimbros" (kimbroj@charter.net>  
   Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:42:12 -0400 

Ron -

I'm afraid I haven't followed Terri Hendrix, so I don't know about the
guitar.  There are several possibilities.  I'm starting to see some Tacoma
Papoose guitars show up on stage.  These fit your description but have a
unique paisley shaped sound hole which is off set up the side. (Is that it?)
Tacoma made those to compete with the Martin Backpacker as a travel guitar,
but the unique sound has attracted some pros. The ones I've seen in the
guitar stores are tuned to A.  I like it and even considered buying one
because the action fit my style (high) and the neck was wide and very fast
for flatpicking.  But I'd guess that would turn off a finger-style player
unless modifications were made.  If that's not the right guitar, give me
another clue or two.

All my best,
-Shawn

http://www.mp3.com/mountainsoul

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Subject: NN: album cover 
   From: taroepke@ucdavis.edu  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT) 

Aieght!

Just a comment on the album artwork/photograhpy/pose: I must say that 
the 'All that Jazz'/homage de Bob Fosse/Gotta Dance look on the new album 
is a welcome change from the cute girlie with geetar and/or sad, isolated 
miserable long face of past album covers. Not that this one is full of 
cheer and positivity but its not as morose nor as vomitously adorable as 
others. Just thought I'd share.

ODF

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Subject: NN: Article on Songcatcher 
   From: Ed Maier (evmaier@dhc.net>  
   Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:23:29 -0500 

There's a good article written by Robert Philpot on the album Songcatcher 
in the Ft. Worth Star Telegram:

http://web.star-telegram.com/content/fortworth/2001/07/21/features/fw032107-
0721-XF001-songs.htm

Ed Maier
-- 
Where griping grief the heart would wound
And doleful dumps would thee oppress,
There Music with her silver sound
Is wont with speed to give redress
Of troubled mind for every sore
Sweet Music hath a salve therefore.
		-Richard Edwards

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Subject: NN: Fw: seaching for info on Woody Guthrie's "Deportee... 
   From: "Bob McConnochie" (rsm@ppp.com.hk>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:58:46 -0400 (EDT) 

CALLING ALL NANCI-NETTERS

NEED YOUR HELP

I've received the attached e-mail from a student wishing to find out more
about Woody Guthrie's "Deportee (Plane Wreck At Los Gatos)".

Sadly I know nothing, but as we say in the UK (at least we used to...) maybe
"I know a man/woman who does!"

Anybody have any info/suggestions/book tips/web-sites that can help Janice?
There can't be any more knowledgable bunch of people anywhere on the Net
than here......

Many thanks. Bob Mc

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:08 AM
Subject: seaching for info on Woody Guthrie's "Deportee...

> Hi Bob!
> My name is Janice Underwood and I am a sophomore in high school from
>Uniontown, Kansas. I'm searching frantically for information on the
>"Deportee" story. I know that Woody Guthrie wrote the song, but do you
>happen to know any information about the plane wreck? I do not really know
>the story of what happened the day the plane went down and as I was doing
>some research on the internet, I came across your name and e-mail address.
>I'm doing all of this research for a National History Day project and any
>information you can give me about Woody or the wreck would be greatly
>appreciated. Thank you for your time.   - Janice Underwood

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Subject: Re: NN: Fw: seaching for info on Woody Guthrie's "Deportee...
   From: Steve Robertson (stever@mindspring.com>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:32:40 -0400 

Bob McConnochie at rsm@ppp.com.hk wrote:

> Anybody have any info/suggestions/book tips/web-sites that can help
Janice?

I checked Joe Klein's book- "Woody Guthrie: A Life". It only contains a
couple of sentences about it. It says that he wrote the song after reading
in 1948 about the plane wreck. As I understand it, this was routine at the
time to fly migrant farm workers being deported back to Mexico, so it
probably was not a major news story at the time. She probably would have to
do some digging to find the original news stories. I doubt if archives that
old have been transferred to the web.
-- 
>From the Georgia Pines,
Steve Robertson

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_________Fiddlin' Around____________
The Journal of American Roots Music
          on the web at
      http://www.starchart.com/
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Subject: NN: PLANE WRECK AT LOS GATOS 
   From:  Reid Mitchell (reidmitchell@yahoo.com>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT) 

This site might be helpful; has lots of snippets of
info about the song.

     http://members.nbci.com/elstongunn/deportees.html

Reid Mitchell

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Subject: NN: Re: Fw: seaching for info on Woody Guthrie's "Deportee...
   From: "Susan Cane" (SusanCane@btinternet.com>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:46:23 +0100 

>Anybody have any info/suggestions/book tips/web-sites that can help Janice?

This reminds me of a really good book that includes lyrics, music and
notes for 197 songs from that period.  It's called 'Hard Hitting Songs
for Hard-Hit People' and the front cover says: "Compiled by Alan Lomax.
Notes on the songs by Woody Guthrie.  Music transcribed and edited and
with a new afterword by Pete Seeger."  There's also a foreword by John
Steinbeck.  It's published by University of Nebraska Press/Bison Books.

Woody Guthrie wrote an introduction to the book, as well as an 'About
Woody' chapter about himself, an introduction to each chapter (the songs
are divided into groups according to  their subjects), and notes about
the individual songs and their writers.  A lot of WG's own songs are
included, as well as those by various other writers.  Where years of
copyright are mentioned, they tend to range from the 1930s to the
1960s - though there are older ones included, too.  It appears that the
original manuscript was put together in 1940, but nothing was published
until 1967.  My copy is a 1999 publication.

Woody Guthrie himself doesn't mention "Deportees" anywhere in the book -
but in his Afterword, written in 1999, Pete Seeger says of WG: "And he
related his songs to events of the day.  "Deportees" came out of a
3-inch story in the New York Times."

One of the reasons I bought the book - apart from wanting to read about
the songs - was that it includes lots of photographs from the 30s and
40s, by the Farm Security Administration photographers (people like
Dorothea Lange, Walker Evans, Russell Lee and Arthur Rothstein).  They
illustrate the songs well...

I'd definitely recommend this book to anybody who's interested in this
sort of music.

Susan

*** www.susancane.btinternet.co.uk *** SusanCane@btinternet.com ***

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Subject: NN: John Grimaudo 
   From: Sarah Wrightson (sarahwrightson@vincebell.com>  
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:35:52 -0500 

http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=800&xlc=265317&xld=100

If you remember the name and song from OV2...nice little article on
John, who is as dear a person as he is a great guitar player.  A no
kidding, mouth open, talent.

The article is in the San Antonio paper, written by Jim Beal.  A lot of
his reviews etc are archived there for anyone interested in yet more
Texas music.

Sarah W.

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// The following is, for some reason, a continuation in some ways
// of a discussion from some time back.  I include it because it
// represents some strong feelings from one of our members.
// I do NOT want this to turn into a flame war. Keep responses polite
// and, preferably, private. [BP]


Subject: NN: Venus, Mars, Nanci Griffith, and Socrates 
   From: "Julie" (julieanne-101@home.com>  
   Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:22:54 -0700 

Kenn wrote:

>i understand Mars is in the southern sky, looking very bright and
>spectacular through a telescope.  Take a look and ponder the
>immensity of it all.

Ah, the planet of war.  Maybe that explains it.

Barb wrote:

>... As a working class, 46 year old woman (first generation feminist and
>"poor white trash"), I can certainly relate to the anger, fear, and
sometimes
>militancy of any  marginalized, disenfranchised or victimized group.

and then John Courtney wrote:

>... Nanci does not say "anger" or "militancy", she uses the word "hatred".
>Does Barb relate to that?

John's mean-spirited question to Barb reminded me of a message from Ron
Hennessy a few weeks back:

>>... I've heard women call the B word is much stronger in the
>>U.S. than in the U.K.  I won't elaborate, as this is a polite list;
>>I don't want to bruise any feelings.

Sometimes comments like these land on this list with a thud and just lay
there, as if they belong in the tone and spirit of this group.  I have
noticed that undercurrents carrying bad attitudes directed at women surface
every once in a while on this list.  The disrespect, whether open or subtle,
has caused more than a few women to leave this list, including some of the
most thoughtful, lively, frequent, and insightful contributors this list has
seen.  This is a shame.

I do not always agree with Nanci Griffith's opinions or politics, but I
respect her right to express herself without being reviled or disrespected.
I remember being shocked when I first played Flyer, hearing Time of
Inconvenience, NG singing out against pro-abortion protestors (loosely
translating here).  It seemed so incongruous to me, having listened to her
speak for years about how there are no bad babies born, etc.  It never
occurred to me, naively, that she might have an altogether different opinion
about another issue concerning babies.  I put Flyer down and didn't pick it
up for quite a while over that one.  Someone discussing that song recently
mentioned how odd they thought it was to refer to our times as inconvenient.
It doesn't make any sense to me to bemoan our times as inconvenient while in
the same song come across as supportive of what can be argued is the
greatest act of convenience in our time.  However much I may disagree with
her on some issues, I respect her right to express her ideas in voice, in
action, in written word, etc.  My point is, we can all disagree without
disrespecting each other, alluding to each other as hateful people, or
calling each other names.

I live not far from San Diego, which many years ago dubbed itself America's
Finest City.  Aside from great weather and a handful of redeeming qualities,
it's just not a true claim.  The little nasty jabs people sometimes poke on
this list make me shake my head at another tall order claim - that we
NNetters are The Nicest Bunch of Folks on the Net.

Borrowing from Socrates, the unexamined list is not worth joining.

Julie

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