NanciNet Digest 9-12-01
// Lots of discussion about our tragedy yesterday.
// Thanks to so many of you overseas for your thoughts and prayers.
// Enjoy! [BP
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Subject: NN: Nanci "A One Woman Woodstock"
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:42:13 -0400
From: "James Troiano" (James_Troiano@umit.maine.edu>
Hi folks: There were some really great recent reviews of Nanci Caroline's
CWH in the past week. In two magazines, not usually fans of Nanci , People
praised her album in general and in the bottom line she was referred to as a
"one woman Woodstock." In Entertainment Weekly, often critical of her, her
voice is described as "softly twanging, lovely and wise." Her covers are
praised and then: "the real real treasures are her deeply felt tunes,
including the title track and songs about the Vietnam War. Griffith is still
the real deal, on her on terms." In Country Music People, the British
journal she is given 5 stars and the album is a spotlight album. The album
is praised in great detail and in summary called "a powerful, emotive album,
a genuine re-awakening of the spirit." I agree with these wise folk as I
find myself not only moved by the disc, but unable to replace it with
anything on the CD player. I also constantly find myself singing the songs.
That is not a treat for those poor folks who I come in contact with,
considering my voice.. Regarding the John Stewart covers, I read that John
was delighted with them. I love John's music. I have been a fan of John's
way before I heard of Nanci. To me, she captures the feeling of each song
and communicates it so well. Nanci has always been a big John Stewart fan
and I am delighted that she is helping to show the world how truly gifted he
is. All of this is of course, my humble opinion. See you, Jim
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Subject: Re: NN: Fwd(2): Nanci "A One Woman Woodstock"
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:23:23 -0400
From: Tony Cox tonycox@pacific.net.au (mailto:tonycox@pacific.net.au>
James Troiano wrote:
> Regarding the John Stewart covers, I read that John was delighted with
them.
Good to hear that CWH has been so widely well received. For those who don't
find the songs quite up to Nanci's best, my suggestion is to concentrate on
the voice. It has lost none of its power, when needed, and subtlety when
that is needed. On some songs she seems able to combine effortlessness with
an understated strength, all of which makes this album another classic, IMO.
As for the John Stewart interpretations: I managed to find a couple of
cheap vinyl copies with the originals of Armstrong and Lost Him (Her) In The
Sun. To say I was underwhelmed with his delivery of these and other songs
is an understatement. I kind of understood why I had overlooked him before
;) It is to Nanci's great credit that she breathes life into these songs
and makes us realize that yes, they are indeed fine songs. I'm not
surprised that John Stewart was delighted with her versions of them.
Tony
not/p Faith Hill
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Subject: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:41:52 +0100
From: Graham Shipley (gshipley@perioikos.u-net.com>
Watching those awful pictures from New York: just to let you know that all
of us in the UK have our thoughts with you at this time.
Graham Shipley
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 01 15:57:41 +0100
From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>
I have been driving home from work, simply stunned by what I was hearing
on the radio. To all my friends in the U.S.A. may I say, my thoughts are
with you. Today's events do not give much hope for "peace, love and
understanding".
John "deeply saddened" Graveling
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:18:21 -0400
From: "MVM" mvmartel@home.com (mailto:mvmartel@home.com>
> I have been driving home from work, simply stunned by what I was hearing
> on the radio. To all my friends in the U.S.A. may I say, my thoughts are
> with you. Today's events do not give much hope for "peace, love and
> understanding".
>
All this and more. I don't even know what to say. I'm stunned and can't
really believe it.
I hope all of you and yours are safe.
Vicki
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anna McCalman (carwheels_2000@yahoo.com>
Thanks, John. Even though I am *physically* far
removed from what is happening, it is still a
devastating event for the nation--everyone is kind of
in shock.
Many of us have friends and family in that area and
just pray they are alright. I have close friends in
Washington, D.C. that I'm holding in my prayers right
now. None of us know exactly what to think.
Thank you for your kind words.
Anna Mac
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Subject: NN: New York etc.
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:21:52 -0700
From: "Walter from Glasgow" dunfionn@btinternet.com
(mailto:dunfionn@btinternet.com>
Our sense of shock knows no bounds. Our words of comfort are sadly
inadequate to offer solace to all our American friends. Please know that
all of us here in Europe send our heart felt support, and stand shoulder
to shoulder with you.
I'm sorry, I'm at a loss for words,
Walter in Glasgow
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:38:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anna McCalman (carwheels_2000@yahoo.com>
Also, thank you Graham---didn't mean to leave you out!
Any NNrs in the New York area have any news?
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:47:49 -0400
From: DvBGardner@genelogic.com
Thank you, Graham. My husband is at the Pentagon this morning and we
haven't been able to get through to him or any of the emergency numbers,
nor heard from him. I'm sure he'll be alright, but it's the not-knowing
that is so agonizing. I figured we might not see him for a few days,
depending on who is responsible for the acts. But I wasn't quite
prepared for Washington being hit as well. My kids and I are trying not
to focus too much on our own fears, in comparison to the known horror
that's going on in New York right now.
This country has never been prepared for terrorist attacks -- unlike most
countries in Europe who have experienced war and terrorism numerous times.
Let's hope that this will be a lesson and they will beef up their security
standards.
My girlfriend's husband is flying on Air Force One this
morning. Our prayers and thoughts need to go out to the ones who are
trapped in these situations right now.
The kind thoughts coming from overseas are much appreciated by everyone
here, I'm sure. Although not many nancinetters might be online right
now. By copy of this message to our friends, I'm also thanking everyone
for their inquiries and concerns.
I'm going home now to be with my kids and wait for a call from my husband.
Donate
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Subject: NN: Re: U.S.
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:00:35 -0700
From: "Julie" julieanne-101@home.com (mailto:julieanne-101@home.com>
Donate,
Do let us know how your husband is as soon as you have word. The thoughts
and prayers of many NNet friends and I'm sure even strangers on this list
are with you and yours.
I hope everyone is well, and your loved ones too.
Julie
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Subject: NN: Thank You!!!!
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:14:11 -0400
From: DvBGardner@genelogic.com
Dear friends and nancinetters --
Thanks to all of you who sent me messages and who kept us in their
thoughts and prayers. My husband came home safe late yesterday. He
left again this morning for an unknown period of time -- the intelligence
community will be in overdrive for a while now -- but he's fine, thank
God. In my heart I was sure he would be alright, because we usually
sense when the other is in trouble somehow, but it was a great relief when
we finally saw his car drive up to the house. We have several friends at
the Pentagon whom we haven't heard from yet -- please keep them in your
prayers. I felt a bit overwhelmed at the outpouring of concern for my
family, because I was sure my husband would be okay and wanted us to focus
on those who we knew weren't okay... but I must say that the assurance of
so many friends out there in the madness has been a tremendous boost to my
spirit, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
My older daughter and I raced to pick up my 17-year old from school
(brand new freshman in college) and found the campus almost empty. It
took us a while to track her down. When we finally found her, she was
with friends, wearing face masks and devising a peace-activism plan to be
implemented immediately. It was almost amusing to see the kids in such
gear -- but it made me proud to see that they were thinking, caring
beings. This new generation has never had to worry about war or hunger and
there is so much focus on their own issues... nothing like a crisis
like this to prompt them to think away from themselves. I had hoped they
never would have to experience the horrors of war. I was raised in
post-World War II Germany, by adults who all had either fought in or lived
through the war (I have a collection of 5 million rubberbands to prove
it). All the stories I heard when I was a child seemed to suddenly come
alive yesterday when a series of Air Force planes flew over my house en
route to Camp David (we live less than two hours from Camp David) ... it
was unnerving and chilling.
>From all the reports I heard from Germany yesterday, the news coverage
here in the U.S. really didn't go into as many details as the Europeans
were privy to. On the other hand, our news media freely babbled about
other details that the authorities should not have publicized -- i.e.,
some leads and methods to pursue those leads, etc. This government is way
too lax in its security consciousness. But all this will be food for
discussion in months to come. Right now, I think, we should rather focus
our prayers and thoughts on those whose lives were lost or are still
missing, their families and loved ones, and - right now especially - pray
and hope for a safe recovery of those poor souls who might still be alive
under the rubble, both in NY and at the Pentagon.
At the risk of sounding gloomy, let me leave you with a prophecy from
Nostradamus, who had also predicted WWI and WWII in eerie details:
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart
by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" ,
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
- Nostradamus 1654
Peace!
Donate
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Subject: NN: New York etc.
From: Graham Shipley gshipley@perioikos
Date: 09/11/01 10:41 AM
Watching those awful pictures from New York: just to let you know that all
of us in the UK have our thoughts with you at this time.
Graham Shipley
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: P Koether (jerzeejeff@yahoo.com>
--- Anna McCalman (carwheels_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Any NNrs in the New York area have any news?
After more than a year in lurkdom I wish that i could
surface with something happier to comment on than the
tragedy her in the NY metro area. Here's my Jersey-eye
view of events here. Things are very anxious here.
I've given up on the cell phones, the networks are
totally jammed. My youngest brother is an energy
analyst with a NY investment banking firm firm whose
company has an office in the WTC. I don't know if he
was there today. He usually looks forward to trips to
the city because his normal commute is to Connecticut.
The New Jersey Turnpike is closed down, all major
interstates to NY are shut down. I work in Trenton
(New Jersey's Capitol) and the state and county
courthouse's and the NJ Department of Environmental
Protection were evacuated because of bomb threats. I
work for a non-profit agency in Trenton that also
happens to be the tallest building here in the state
capitol. Ironically enough they are Trenton's twin
Towers (though they are only 19 stories tall). Many
injured are heading to hospitals in our state. I have
several friends that (I hope) are stuck in cars their
were trying to make their morning commute. They
weren't allowed to turn around. They were just told
to turn off their cars and wait.
It is very surreal, that such a gorgeous late summer
day will be the darkest day in our nation's history. I
can't bring myself yet to listen to the radio or check
things out on the tube. All I can say is that I will
probably come to grips with the scope of this atrocity
when I get home and see it on the news and wait for
the phone to ring. I'm not a drinking man anymore but
I'm getting a bottle of Wild Turkey and havin a few
drinks tonight, and try to re-calculate the new cost
of the freedom that we enjoy in this country of ours.
Tomorrow I'll know if any friends and family didn't
come home tonight. I hope it's not many. I'll keep
y'all posted.
peace be with you all
-Paul J. Koether
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:22:00 -0500
From: Ed Maier evmaier@dhc.net (mailto:evmaier@dhc.net>
Graham Shipley wrote:
>
> Watching those awful pictures from New York: just to let you
> know that all of us in the UK have our thoughts with you at
> this time.
Graham and all,
One of my earliest memories was the news of the
attack on Pearl Harbor. Deja vu.
Ed Maier
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Subject: NN: Re: New York
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:52:12 EDT
From: BMiller224@aol.com
The sight of the World Trade Center being struck by a plane and the building
collapsing is horrifying. I know an awful lot of lives will be touched by
this and I wish the best for those who have friends and loved ones in the
area.
The United States is at war. We went to war the second that first plane hit
the World Trade Center.
The public doesn't even know who the enemy is yet. But the outcome is not
in doubt. Whether it's a government or a terrorist group, the enemy that
did this will be destroyed.
There's a time for peace and a time for war. This is wartime.
Bruce Miller
Oakland CA
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Subject: NN: Re: Re: New York
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:14:05 -0700
From: "Sharon Burton-Hardin" (sharonburton@earthlink.net>
While I understand that we may be at war, we just don't know against whom
yet, please please do not sound remotely happy or like this is an OK
solution.
Many of our people are dead and families are and will be devastated by the
current attacks. However, if we can figure out who did this, further
families will be devastated. None of this is good. It may be necessary,
but it is all still terrible to think about.
War may be needed but it is never good. I am sorry I am a little
incoherent but this is just all too awful.
sharon
Sharon Burton-Hardin
Anthrobytes Consulting
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Subject: NN: Re: Re: New York
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:26:47 +0100
From: "Laura Anderson" Lauram@laura97.fsnet.co.uk
(mailto:Lauram@laura97.fsnet.co.uk>
I've just got in and have been horrified and stunned at what I've been
hearing about these attacks. I hope all you members in the US are safe
and my thoughts are with you at this time.
laura
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Subject: NN: No words
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:48:23 +0100
From: "Pugsley, R.M." (rmp6@leicester.ac.uk>
I'm in shock here sitting at my computer watching the video of the plane
and the unbeleiveable loss of life. We all know that terrible things
happen every day and I, for one, am always at a loss to think of what to
say at such times. I just hope that all our American friends, and I call
them friends and mean it even if I haven't met you outside of this space
we have here, are safe and continue to be. I'm not a praying man but
please know that my thoughts are with you tonight and in the weeks to
come. I've posted this poem, by Chritina Rossetti, to people before but
I hope you don't mind me posting it again. I have read it in time of
trouble and find it helpful.
Up-hill
Does the road wind up-hill all the way?
Yes, to the very end.
Will the day's journey take the whole long day?
>From morn to night, my friend.
But is there for the night a resting-place?
A roof for when the slow dark hours begin.
May not the darkness hide it from my face?
You cannot miss that inn.
Shall I meet other wayfarers at night?
Those who have gone before.
Then must I knock, or call when just in sight?
They will not keep you standing at that door.
Shall I find comfort, travel-sore and weak?
Of labour you shall find the sum.
Will there be beds for me and all who seek?
Yea, beds for all who come.
Lots of love
Robert (Pugsley)
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Subject: NN: Re: Re: New York
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Overton (thomasmoverton@yahoo.com>
Thanks to all Nanci-Netters from around the world for
your thoughts for us here in the USA. My company has
a very large client (I won't say who out of respect to
their company) who had a large office in the world
trade center.
We have heard nothing from them yet. We are saddened
and in shock thinking about these people we know being
in harms way.
I am playing one of Nanci's masterpieces, "It's a Hard
Life".
Sadly, Tom O
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Subject: NN: Affront
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 01 21:14:47 +0100
From: John Edward Graveling (kai21@dial.pipex.com>
What has happened today in the U.S.A. is an affront on all civilised
people and nations in the world. If this does not unite us against
minority terrorist groups and organisations then nothing will. The world
will become a less safe place for our children and all future
generations. May the perpetrators be brought to quick and effective
justice.
When I think how my Irish friends have suffered at the hands of the
terrorists in their country, yet that seems almost trivial by today's
demonic events.
John "horrified still" Graveling
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Subject: NN: New York, etc
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:33:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Martin Jack (gatesuk@yahoo.com>
hi all,
Today's events have left us all numb. But we should
take a moment to remember that we are all in this
together, regardless of where we are. We should now
work to bring the 'people involved' (I would use
harsher words) to justice. This was an attack on the
'civilised' world, and I really hope that all
countries work together to rid us of this kind of
terrorism.
My best wishes go out to all my friends in the US. I
hope you take care. Us in the UK are thinking of you.
Take care,
Martin
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Subject: NN: RE: New York etc
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:50:09 -0500
From: Ron Hennessy (rhennesy@coserv.net>
I see two phases for the United States, as President Bush and others have
indicated:
Phase 1: As is being done, find and help the survivors and help their
relatives. Our prayers go out for all of them. (I can only imagine the
horrendous difficulties and dangers for workers searching through the
Trade Center towers.)
Phase 2: Find and punish the perpetrators of this disaster. A line from
Larry McMurtry's "Lonesome Dove" says "to give back pain for pain" doesn't
help anyone. But for the American military to search and destroy those
responsible may minimize the possibility of something like this happening
again.
Ron Hennessy
P.S.: Friend Donate, is your husband OK in Washington?
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Subject: NN: New York
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:21:06 +0000
From: "Frieda Reece" (friedalreece@hotmail.com>
Just to say to all NN's in America that here in England we are all
thinking of you after these terrible events in New York and Washington.
Everyone I know is really shocked by what has happened. Much of what we
discuss here on NN seems trivial by comparison but the value of a network
like this is that we can be drawn closer together by our similarities and
just be there for one another when words will not express how we feel.
Love to you all.
Frieda.
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Subject: NN: New York etc
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:00:03 -0400
From: Tony Cox (tonycox@pacific.net.au>
I'm devastated. Just woke up to the horrific news. All 5
Australian TV channels have blanket coverage. There's talk
of war. The world seems a changed place this morning, for
the very much worse.
I join others in wishing all good American friends out in
the madness strength and resilience at this appaling time.
Tony
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Subject: Re: NN: New York etc.
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:48:04 EDT
From: Brimpls@aol.com
It is horrifying. I have a cousin who is a transit
cop in NYC and that is my personal concern, wondering where he might have
been at the time, but really all we can do from wherever we are in the
world is pray.
Sabrina in Mpls.
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Subject: NN: Re: NanciNet #01911
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:45:49 EDT
From: GORDON1717@aol.com
Children of Darkness
now is the time for your loving, dear
and the time for your company
now as the light of reason fails
and fires burn on the sea
now in this age of confusion I have need for your company
for i am a wild and a lonely child
and the son of an angry land
and now with the high wars raging
i would offer you my hand
for we are the children of darkness and the prey of a foul command
it's once i was free to go roaming in
the wind of a springtime mind
and once the clouds i sailed upon were sweet as lilac wine
they why have the breezes of summer, dear
been laced with a grim design
and where was the will of my father when
he raised his sword on high
and where was my mother's wailing when
our flags were justified
and where will we take out pleasure when
our bodies have been denied
so now is the time for your loving, dear
and the time for your company
now as the light of reason fails
and fires burn on the sea
now in this age of confusion I have need for your company
- -- Richard Farina, 1965
Blessings to all that are suffering here today.
Gordon
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Subject: NN: a thought
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:32:17 -0400
From: kenn lippert (lippert@nauticom.net>
My Friends,
I spent most of the morning watching the tv in the lobby of the
building where i work with a continuously changing crowd of
colleagues. We were told we could go on home if we thought it best.
The USX tower in downtown Pittsburgh was evacuated as were several
other buildings and all federal and state offices (as i am sure it
was in most large cities). I came home early because i wanted to be
here when my kids got off the bus.
I have spent most of the time since then watching the television and
moving between horror, anger, pride (at our response)*, and
resignation. Today the world became a different place. We in the
US were aware that people were being killed in London and in Belfast,
Beruit and Jerusalem; but although recognized as human tragedy, they
were just images on the television screen. Those days have past.
If good can possibly come out of this, it will be to provide a
wake-up call to the complacency and isolationism of this citizenry.
A reminder that we are a GLOBAL community which has to live together.
We can no longer tolerate or ignore nations and purveyors of hate.
This culture of destruction and hate must stop, and the
responsibility to stop it has to be with each and every one of us.
Some of you outside of this area may not have had the coverage on the
fourth plane that we have here. It was a flight from Newark to San
Francisco that crashed in a wooded, uninhabited section of Somerset
county, about 80 miles south east of Pittsburgh. Witnesses on the
ground heard a boom, saw the plane wobble, and then turn steeply and
dive into the ground. There were ~53 passengers and crew on board -
all were killed instantly. The crash site shows no remains of a
plane, only a crater. Eerily similar to the Boeing 737 that crashed
just west of Pittsburgh several years ago. That crash was due to
mechanical failure - today's was not. A man on board the plane
called the local 911 from his cell phone. He had locked himself in
the bathroom. He said "we have been hijacked, this is no hoax". He
said he heard explosions and could see white smoke coming in. The
phone went dead and the plane crashed a few minutes later. My wife's
cousin who was a life-flight nurse and the first on the scene of that
earlier crash (and has been unable to work since because of the
psychological trauma) is now another emotional victim of today's
violence.
My prayers and thoughts are with you all; those with family and
friends directly effected, those watching from afar with compassion
and concern, and for those of us here. We will never be the same.
kenn
* I particularly remember one man with a video camera who was close
by when one of the towers came down. He could see the wall of debris
and dust approaching him and you could hear him repeating "I hope I
live, I hope I live". He ducked behind a car as the blast wave hit,
and survived. As he stood up the first thing he said was "let's go
see who needs help" and headed into the still choking cloud.
--
| kenn lippert
| lippert@nauticom.net
|
| "Reach me down my Tycho Brahe, I would know him when we meet...
| Though my soul may set in darkness, it will rise in perfect light;
| I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night."
| -Sarah Williams
| "See Kate Campbell" http://www.KateCampbell.com
|
| "The moon, the music, and me."
| -Vince Bell "Texas Plates"
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Subject: NN: another thought
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:14:27 -0400
From: kenn lippert (lippert@nauticom.net>
Friends,
I went out on the back porch to look at the sky and seek some
consolation, or at least peace from the day's events.
The sky was clear and Mars and it's rival glowed red in the south.
The great square of Pegasus was rising with it's extra-galactic
companion. The summer triangle still glowed bright overhead. I was
simply staring at the subtle lines of Hercules when it hit me, not
only was there not a cloud in the sky, there were none of the
ubiquitous contrails from air traffic either.
Even the sky is changed.
kenn
--
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Subject: NN: Terrorist Tragedy
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:28:25 +1000
From: "Barry Medway" (barrymedway@interact.net.au>
To Bill , all NN members & their countrymen...
>From Australia we ,today, give you our hearts,our thoughts
& our prayers. And above all our hope that one day we will
cease to inflict such misery on each other.
Our kind regards to you all.......Barry.
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Subject: NN: To friends and well wishers on all shores
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:38:12 -0500
From: "Devin Bramblett" (bramblett@jcn1.com>
Dear NanciNet members,
Today I am a fortunate American - to my knowledge I do not have
family or friends who were killed or injured in any one of the horrible
incidents today. I would like first and foremost say a very big thank
you to all of those NNs overseas who have passed along their messages of
sympathy. I would like to also thank those who are lurking who have and
continue to pray for or think of those in this country whose lives were
cut short. Evil is evil - regardless of what country you live in - and
our fellow netters have proven that by rallying by our sides with prayer
and thoughts at this time.
I live in the suburbs of St. Louis and I would like to say that the
impact of New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania was not felt here as
far as lives lost or threatened, but I cannot. Two women from our office
are on their way across the United States to gather daughters and
grandchildren and bring them back here. Each woman has a daughter whose
husband is in the military and lived in Washington,D.C. Our gas prices
in areas of the state are already as high as $5.00 a gallon - that was
three hours ago Last night I got gas and it was $1.49. People I work
with have relatives who are airline pilots that have not been accounted
for and friends that work at the Pentagon. I personally have a friend
who works for the CIA who I am praying was out of the country so as not
to be involved with the chaos D.C. is experiencing at this time.
I know I am rambling and that in the scheme of things this post is
pointless, but the responses from fellow NanciNetters "across the pond"
touched me so, I had to respond. Thank you again - and God bless
everyone, both near and far.
Devin Bramblett
Missouri
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Subject: New York etc.
From: ConorMG@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:45:05 EDT
The utter horror of these events must make us think about healing the
rifts that caused it all. Those rejoicing at their 'revenge' need to be
understood and made to feel part of the world order. We can't keep
killing them. In Britain though, we are very much with you in this time.
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Subject: NN: Re:
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:18:02 -0500
From: Laura Breidenbach (pray@remembered.com>
Thank you and everyone else that are offering
their concerns and condolences.
I agree with Conor. I believe that we need to pray
that the scales and blinders be removed
from these people's eyes, so that they can
see that they are believing in lies. That
they will come to know the truth and be welcomed
as equal members of the world.
Let us not hate, but use this tragedy to bring
all people together, in unity with their differences.
Kindly,
Laura B.
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Subject: NN: Nanci/Stacey/Terrorism
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:55:00 -0400
From: "MVM" (mvmartel@home.com>
Hi 'netters
The unbelievable horror that occurred in the USA yesterday has certainly
affected the spirits of all of us. I had called my flight attendant
friend, who was just about to take off when her plane was ordered
grounded; I'd called my stonemason friend who frequently works in
Manhattan, and he was safe in Ottawa; I'd emailed my California friends
and they and their families were safe and where they should be. Another
friend's coworker's sister worked on the ground floor of the WTC, and
hadn't been heard from...
Despite the shock and disbelief, we do eventually have to live our regular
lives. Last night, for the first time in many years, our Nanci was
supposed to play in Toronto. I didn't really feel like celebrating, or
going into downtown Toronto, and was actually hoping the show was
cancelled. It was.
About 3:30 I received a phone call from Ticketmaster that the show would
be rescheduled. It's weird, but I was relieved. I wanted to be home with
my kids, and do normal things like eat dinner, and talk about what
happened and what they'd heard at school. It was still unbelievable to me,
and I just couldn't get my head or heart around the reality of what
happened.
Then I called to talk to a friend, whose daughter said he'd left for the
house concert. I remembered only then that I'd had a conflict with Nanci
and Stacey Earle/Mark Stuart house concert. I had reassured myself by that
point that some sort of normalcy would return, and I wanted to go. There's
something special, intimate, HUMAN about house concerts, and I wanted to
be in that setting. When I arrived, Stacey was glued to the TV, watching
the tragedy unfold. They'd been up here a couple days already, and have
another show tonight in Quebec, so they didn't have to deal with the
border being closed.
It was a touching show. The new minister for the local church began with a
moving prayer for peace, for the victims and their families and friends,
and for all of us, for help to make sense of what had happened. Then,
Mark Stuart played about 20 minutes, with Stacey joining him for the last
song, and then it was her turn. She played 2 sets of about an hour each,
with Mark accompanying her. She was called back for an encore, during
which she sang, unaccompanied, a gospel tune. It was a very fitting way to
end the evening.
I picked up their new CD "Must be live", which is a double CD and features
a disk of each of them. It was a great show musically, and I'm glad I
went, but I'm also glad I went for the sense of community. The horror
returned to me as I turned on the radio in the van for the ride home, but
I know we will work through this.
This morning on the Cheryl Wheeler list, someone posted these lyrics to a
David Wilcox song. I think they're quite fitting.
Vicki
SHOW THE WAY
by David Wilcox
You say you see no hope, you say you see no reason
We should dream that the world would ever change
You're saying love is foolish to believe
'Cause there'll always be some crazy with an Army or a Knife
To wake you from your day dream, put the fear back in your life...
Look, if someone wrote a play just to glorify
What's stronger than hate, would they not arrange the stage
To look as if the hero came too late he's almost in defeat
It's looking like the Evil side will win, so on the Edge
Of every seat, from the moment that the whole thing begins
It is...
Chorus:
Love who makes the mortar
And it's love who stacked these stones
And it's love who made the stage here
Although it looks like we're alone
In this scene set in shadows
Like the night is here to stay
There is evil cast around us
But it's love that wrote the play...
For in this darkness love can show the way
So now the stage is set. Feel you own heart beating
In your chest. This life's not over yet.
so we get up on our feet and do our best. We play against the
Fear. We play against the reasons not to try
We're playing for the tears burning in the happy angel's eyes
For it's...
Love who makes the mortar
And it's love who stacked these stones
And it's love who made the stage here
Although it looks like we're alone
In this scene set in shadows
Like the night is here to stay
There is evil cast around us
But it's love that wrote the play...
For in this darkness love can show the way
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Subject: NN: From a distance...
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:43:58 +0800
From: "Shawn Schow" (shawn801@juno.com>
"From a distance..." keeps resonating in my head during the last 24 hours.
I have flown across America in an airplane and it is from up there that I
have looked down and thought of how true the words of this song are...and
then to see these same marvels used in such an evil way. I saw the
Palestinians celebrating in the streets and I wanted to be there and go up
to one of them and hug them and say "Do I look like your enemy or your
brother?" From a distance they look like my friend Hamid, even though they
think we are at war.
I hear the hate talk and the war talk that are hopefully just the venting
of frustration and anger...thanks for the post about "love is the mortar."
I needed to be reminded.
I was at Nanci's concert in Saint Paul Friday evening...my wife and I
thrilled that Nanci sang all our favorites, including "From a distance."
Then we had a marvelous serendipitous private encounter with Nanci as we
were leaving the theatre that left us floating on a cloud. This New York
thing sort of dampened that feeling and maybe that's why her song keeps
playing in my head.
Shawn
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Subject: NN: A different view.......
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:24:17 -0400
From: DvBGardner@genelogic.com
Someone just sent this to me and I will pass this on as food for thought -
no value comment added, just passing this on. A very unique view --
certainly different from what usually is passed around about
Americans.......
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TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth sharing.
America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International
lines except Russia fly American Planes?
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
not once, but several times and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
even one time when someone else raced to the Americans
in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
of those."
Stand proud, America!
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Subject: NN: Nanci & Faith--in defense of Nanci
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:00:42 -0400
From: "David Steere" (SteereD@sil.si.edu>
I guess I just don't get the hullabaloo about Nanci's weary comments about
Faith Hill. Faith and Tim have said in interviews that they are surprised
by their success--nearly admitting outright that they are limited talents.
They are.
What's disgusting (and perhaps what Nanci was getting at) is how Faith and
Shania (and Britney, for that matter) are all about fashion clothes, fashion
magazine covers, hair dye, sexy poses on videos and in stills, alluring
looks, lots of makeup. Music and art plays very little into what they do.
Money is what they are about. The most Faith and Shania have to do with
real musical artistry/creativity is the occasional catchy tune on a.m.
radio. Serious, complex, multi-layered songs are not what these people are
about.
What's sad about all this is that some people will never know anything
better than Faith or Shania or Britney. What's disturbing, too, is that so
much money seems to get siphoned off in their direction (from record labels
and the like), leaving real talents marooned. Two recent examples:
Jennifer Warnes (an incredibly talented singer) has only just put out a new
album--ten years after "The Hunter." The label "The Hunter" was released on
went belly up soon after her cd came out. She's had several full albums
recorded for years and hasn't been able to find an outlet for releasing one
for years. Matraca Berg represents an even sadder case. She's an amazing,
intelligent, prolific songwriter and a terrific singer. She's been in limbo
for years without a label after her last cd's label expired.
david
p.s. as a recommendation, Lori McKenna has a wonderful new cd out, "Pieces
of Me." It's available from FOLKWEB where you can also listen to some audio
clips.
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Re: Faith Hill/George W. Bush
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:42:27 -0400
From: "Dave" (dbrons@ptd.net>
> Consequently, there's a case to be made that neither
> party or both parties passed the Civil Rights Act. The
> basic breakdown in the House and Senate was regional,
> not partisan.
>
> Reid Mitchell
>
Thank you Reid. I just got home and couldn't respond sooner. Of course you
are right, and the party statistics cited earlier were misleading. The
segregationists left the Democratic party *after* the act was passed.
Dave
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Re: Faith Hill/George W. Bush
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:27:33 EDT
From: Petop@aol.com
reidmitchell@yahoo.com writes:
> True, and a good correction. THe President, LBJ, a
> Democrat had to work closely with Republican Minoirty
> Leader Senator Dirksen to stop the filibuster and get
> the Act passed. Almost every Democrat who voted
> against the Civil Rights Act was a Southerners; this
> was still in the era of the Solid South, where almost
> no Republicans could be elected.
>
And since that time, a complete realignment has occurred. The southern
Democrats are all Republicans and those Republicans who voted for it would
now be running as Democrats if they were still around. It's the basic
"times change-situation change" philosophy. It's interesting to examine
the platform on which John F. Kennedy ran for President in 1960 and the
one on which Ronald Reagan ran 20 years later. There is actually very
little difference between the two--yet Kennedy in 1960 was considered the
ultimate liberal and Reagan the ultimate conservative 20 years later. We
adapt to changing times and change our philosophical labels (if not our
philosophies) to suit the times.
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"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them
myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter
evenings."
--Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) at his best in "The Big Sleep,"
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Re: Faith Hill/George W. Bush
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:00:03 EDT
From: Petop@aol.com
> because I thought LBJ
>
LBJ belonged to strain of Southern Democrats, many of which come out of
Texas, that are referred to as Populist Southern Democrats. Others in that
mold from Texas include Ralph Yarborough, who played a significant role in
the Kennedy assassination; Jim Hightower, former agricultural commissioner
and now political commentator; and one of my personal heroes, former Gov.
Anne Richards.
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Civil Rights Act
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:11:22 EDT
From: Petop@aol.com
Catelaw@aol.com
writes:
> LBJ definitely did some wheelin,' dealin' and arm-twistin' over CRA '64
> in the same school as Bill Clinton when he was Arkansas governor
It's interesting to look at LBJ's motives for this, which were more
closely aligned to his feelings about poverty than it had to do with civil
rights. Johnson came from a poor background and it was from a poor area of
Texas (one without electricity through much of it) that first sent him to
political office. LBJ always felt a kinship there and spent much of his
political career trying to help the status of those he felt were
economically disadvantaged. And since many of in this group had been
responsible for his political successes, it only made sense he would do
whatever possible to make sure more of the group could exercise that right
to vote.
There are many fine books written about LBJ and I've just finished
reading one of the better ones. It's called "Mutual Contempt: Lyndon
Johnson, Robert Kennedy and the Feud that Defined a Decade" by Jeff
Shesol. It's a fascinating examination and well worth the read. It covers
many of these subjects from a number of different perspectives.
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Subject: NN: Re: (NVC) Bibb
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:29:42 EDT
From: PRobin5478@aol.com
JCourtnadge@aol.com writes:
> The headliner that night was Eric Bibb.
Anybody remember his father -- LEON BIBB?
... "Hootenanny" ... Harry Belefonte shows ... "Hallelujah, Baby!"
Peter R
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