NanciNet Digest 3-25-03
// A bit more quasi-political discussion, and
// some honest-to-gosh Nanci content.
// This digest contains posts received through Monday, 3/24.
// Enjoy...[BP]
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Subject: NN: Back to the Music
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:24:01 +1000
From: "Barry Medway" (barrymedway@ozemail.com.au>
On the local pay tv Country Music Channel they are
playing a concert vid of Nanci singing Goodnight New York.
Nanci looks about to cry, lovely support from Emmylou, it
all sounds just wonderful. Does this track come from
Winter Marquee? I also caught a new version of Outbound
Plane, but didnt get the young ladies name. A great live
version of the Dixies Travelling Soldier also noted. Good
sounds amongst the usual trivial stuff that passes for country
from this source.
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Subject: NN: RE: Back to the Music
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:21:14 -0000
From: "Matt Bloomfield" (mail@mattbloomfield.co.uk>
Barry wrote:
> On the local pay tv Country Music Channel they are
> playing a concert vid of Nanci singing Goodnight New York.
> Nanci looks about to cry, lovely support from Emmylou, it
> all sounds just wonderful. Does this track come from
> Winter Marquee?
I'm not sure if the track they played is from Winter Marquee or not (I
didn't see it!). The track on the WMDVD is a concert recording. There
is
another video which may have been the one you saw, which includes clips
of
New York and is not on the DVD but you can download a QuickTime version
from
Nanci's website http://www.nancigriffith.com or you can stream it here:
http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1010897
Matt
--
It's Back:
http://www.mattbloomfield.co.uk
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Subject: NN: Out of the blue!
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:39:29 +0000
From: Andrew McMichael (mcmichael_a@cqm.co.uk>
Poetmuse wrote:
"the people contained on this list are kind, generous to a fault,
intelligent and full of musical wealth and knowledge."
I'd generally agree. Except I have a Debbie Gibson CD. And I (gulp!)
like
it.
Jings, my first ever post to this list and I have to mention Debbie
Gibson,
I must apologise. :-)
I have pretty diverse tastes in music and came upon Nanci by chance, and
strangely she's the only (in inverted commas) country artist that I have
made a real effort with..I've seen her live many times whenever she
comes
over to Scotland, and I guess it says alot for her when I love her so
much
but find it hard to click with anyone else of her genre. Does Nanci
really
perform country music though? I'm sitting here wondering that - to me
it's
just plain great songwriting regardless of the trademark twangy guitar
that
has maybe shown itself now and again. Having seen a few of the
end-of-year
lists I'm aware that I'm speaking in company that has a definite
knowledge/love of country music however vague that definition is, so
sometimes I feel like an impostor here.
To the general public Nanci Griffith will always be classed as a country
artist, and I'm not saying that's a bad or good thing but just that I
don't
really see that link anymore - it's just great music with integrity,
depth
and variety.
And if you're talking folk music it's kind of the same, in that I love
Dar
Williams but really no one else who could be classed as 'folk'. But
then
Dar has grown too, her sound has evolved to include more instruments and
other people in the performance. You'd be hard pushed to call her
latest
album folk music.
On another note, on the TV last night (BBC1 Scotland) I was having my
dinner
when suddenly Nanci was on screen, singing 'Who Knows Where The Time
Goes'
with her out of Cappercaille and a couple of other singers who chipped
in
now and again, alongside a fella playing an instrument of some kind.
Hey, I
was more interested in looking at Nanci!!
Anyway, I was pretty shocked and stunned, I think they were filling in
time
between shows maybe, but it was a great performance and showed Nanci
really
close up which is something you don't get the chance of too often - she
looked lovely I must say. It was interspersed with shots of the sea and
overall was a lovely performance. Now if they had only given me some
WARNING! lol
Well I was only going to post a short couple of lines, but once more
I've
surprised myself. Just thought I'd contribute as people were saying
there
wasn't much Nanci speak around here. I'll go and lurk again for an
unspecified amount of time - thanks for listening!
Andrew.
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Subject: Re: NN: Out of the blue!
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:06:37 +0000
From: "Mike Barrett" (mikebarrettuk@hotmail.com>
Andrew
What you saw was an extract from "Transatlantic Sessions", a series of
BBC
TV shows that first appeared two or three years ago. She also did
"Always
Will", "Boots of Spanish Leather" and "Road to Aberdeen", and sang
harmony
on a couple of others. All filmed in Scotland - but you certainly
didn't
need me to tell you that, the scenery says it all.
That series was NEVER shown here in England - they clearly decided that
only
the Scots would appreciate it :)
What I found very interesting - and perhaps unique - is that at the very
start of "Who Knows Where The Time Goes", while they are all talking,
we get
a brief glimpse on Nanci with a glass of beer in one hand and a
cigarette in
the other!
An excellent series, which was also issued in cd, and as you say Nanci
looks
lovely (nothing new there then!)
Mike Barrett
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Subject: NN: Re: Out of the blue!
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:16:51 -0600
From: "Daniel Horan" (dhoran@arl.wylelabs.com>
Andrew McMichael wrote:
"I'd generally agree. Except I have a Debbie Gibson CD. And I (gulp!)
like
it"
I used to have that disc...'course a lot of people USED to have
it...and I
must say that I always liked it, as well. I still have the VHS concert
video. Debbie was just so wholesome...
Now my Nanci story:
I first heard Nanci around the same time I think (late 80's)...I saw the
video for It's A Hard Life on VH-1. I was initially impressed by how
pretty
this woman was, that I had never heard of...bought "Storms" and loved
it. I
didn't get more "involved" with her music until nearly 5 years later
when a
friend loaned me a taped copy he had of Nanci appearing on A Prairie
Home
Companion...and the song that so impressed both of us was Trouble in the
Fields. Now I have everything Nanci I can get my hands on, am very
pleased
to have seen her perform four times, and to have met her and gotten her
autograph at one of those occasions...and I can't wait until I have a
chance
to see her again...
I have often, over the years since then, thought of replacing that
Debbie
Gibson CD...but just never got around to it...maybe I will now!
--Daniel "shake your love" Horan
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Subject: NN: Battlefield
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:03:59 EST
From: EnviroSoup@aol.com
Hi everyone,
This is a request to all you guitar aces out there - has anyone worked
out
the chords to Battlefield? I have tried various tab & chord sites but
to no
avail. Help please!
Best wishes,
Tracey Wilkinson
Derbyshire, UK
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Subject: NN: Re: NanciNet #03322
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:55:44 -0700
From: G (geogo@earthlink.net>
no one likes us, i don't know why
we may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
yet all around, even our old friends put us down
let's drop the big one....see what happens
we give them money but are they grateful?
no, they're spiteful and they're hateful
they don't respect us, so let's surprize 'em
let's drop the big one and pulverize 'em
we'll save australia, i wouldn't wanna hurt no kangaroo
we'll build an all-american amusement park there...
they got surfin' too
boom goes london and boom paree
more room for you and more room for me
and every city the whole world round
will just be another american town
oh how peaceful we will be, we'll set everybody free
you'll wear a japanese kimono, there'll be italian shoes for me
they all hate us anyhow, so let's drop the big one now
let's drop the big one now
"political science" randy newman circa 1970
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Subject: NN: Re: NanciNet #03322
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:55:42 -0800
From: "Patrick OConnor" (pocee@altrionet.com>
To Keith Farman,
I appreciated your post in #03322. One point: it should be remembered
that
Kyoto was rejected 95-0 by the U.S. Senate during the Clinton
Administration. It is true that Bush did not support it. In typical
Clinton
fashion he managed to appear supportive while risking zero political
capital
in doing next to nothing to assure its passage. A sitting President who
cannot muster a single vote from his party is simply not trying.
As for Natalie and the Chicks: Her mistake was not speaking out against
the
war. Many have done so. She personalized the issue to Bush and Texans
and
invoked the specter of shame. By shaming him, and by extension his
supporters (many who have voted for him three times) she placed her
moral
values above theirs. She did it outside of the U.S. to an audience
primed to
cheer any such remark. It had no more depth than calling out from the
stage,
"Hey London, how are you!" What was an ego-enhancing cheer for her was a
jeer for her targets. No one likes being a target. This quote from
Camile
Pagia, when asked why she had not commented on Iraq until she could to
an
American audience:
"The foreign press has asked me repeatedly to comment on Iraq, and I've
said
I don't think it's right as an American citizen to do that. I said I
should
reserve my criticisms of the administration for home consumption,"
Which she did.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/02/07/paglia/index_np.html
Last point. Stardom is a strange thing. It is an unrepeatable alchemy
that
cannot be reduced to a formula. All stars, in some way, charm their
audience. You mess with that at your peril.
Pat O'Connor
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Subject: Re: NN: Re: Big Blue Ball
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:15:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "angeladybug@yahoo.com" (angeladybug@yahoo.com>
all this talk about big blue ball of war (which i
downloaded and absolutely love) has reminded meof the
song she premiered on the opry, i'm pretty sure it was
called simple life? it also had anti war sentiment.
i have been looking fo that song but cna't seem to
find it in mp3 format or anything, i was just
wondering if anyone knew if it was or was going to be
released or available.
::shutting up before i accudentally say something
about the iraq situation::
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Subject: NN: RE: NanciNet #03322
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:08:17 +1200
From: "Ken Stiffler" (ksmsc@kmsx.net>
> From the digest:
>>
// If you don't want political comment, go ahead and hit the
// delete button now. This digest is almost equally split between
// those who think any such discussion shouldn't take place here,
// and those who think, if not here, where?
((
I think that Bill is handling this situation very well. This is, after
all,
a major issue and topic of discussion for the world over.
By allowing the discussion to continue, those who (somewhat like Nanci)
lean
toward activism, or who just want to speak out in a forum among people
who
they feel are, at least in some ways, like-minded souls, get to have
their
say.
By being explicit about the content of the digests, Bill also helps
those
who want to stick to the subject of music decide how closely they want
to
read each of the posts.
For those of us on the unmoderated list, it's a little more difficult
separating on topic from off topic, but it's not all THAT difficult. I
know
where my delete key is. :) And I would think that those who choose to
be on
the unmoderated list are more likely to *expect* to see off topic posts,
anyway. Otherwise, why not get the digest only, where Bill does a bit of
filtering, including placing high Nanci-number posts at the top of the
digest and where he adds a comment at the top, giving the reader some
idea
of what to expect in that mailing?
Being an opinionated SOB, it's difficult to say for sure, but I *intend*
this to be my last comment on any of this.
Ken
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Subject: NN: Please!
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 23:37:12 EST
From: starkt2@msn.com
Here is my question: do you guys have any idea who the fabulous choir
on
the Big Blue Ball of War is?
Tammy Stark
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Subject: NN: More fuel for the fire
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:15:07 -0500
From: "Miller, Dianne" (Dianne.Miller@mail.house.gov>
Hey everyone,
As a longtime lurker who emerges from time to time, I wasn't going to
comment on this latest thread. But all the dissent on this list has
gotten
me thinking about the nature of the Internet and how it has made the
world a
very small place. I live in Washington D.C. and work on Capitol Hill.
Our
office inboxes and telephones have been overloaded with messages from
people
all across the country urging restraint, diplomacy, support for the
troops,
support for the President, and every nuanced view in between. I work
for a
man who does not support the war, who thinks the President is wrong to
push
us to this place, who is horrified that the U.S. is fighting a
preemptive
war, but, at the same time, who voted to support the troops in this
endeavor.
There is nothing easy about this war. I go to work every day knowing
that
there is target painted on my building. And if I should forget, the
concrete barriers, increased police presence, gas mask training courses,
emergency evacuation plans, secret security briefings, and daily
denouncement of dissent are constant reminders. Yet, as I see the
sign-carrying protesters, flanked by the flag-waving supporters,
marching in
my streets and know that democracy is alive and well in my country.
To that end, and to stay somewhat on topic, the Washington Post
published
this article on Friday about the music industry's protest/support of the
war. They mention Nanci and her new song as an example of a country
musician who protests.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1374-2003Mar20.html
When talk turned from Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden to Iraq and Saddam
Hussein, I started reading about Vietnam, trying to get some
perspective. I
was four days old when the Gulf of Tonkin resolution escalated that
conflict
into a full-scale war, and for what? When I'm finished here, I'm going
to
go visit my cousin on the Vietnam wall. I was six years old when his
helicopter was shot out of the sky. He was barely 22. George Bush was
patrolling - if he reported for duty that weekend - the skies over
Texas,
and Dick Cheney was in the middle of one of his five deferments while he
worked on his dissertation. I don't fault them for avoiding service in
Vietnam, but I do find it terribly troubling that they are so anxious to
send young men and women to do a bloody job they were unwilling to do
during
their time.
We may win the war in fairly short order, but how long will it be
before we
know if we've won the peace? How many dollars will we spend to win the
hearts and minds of the Iraqi people? When we're finished there, will
we
roll across Iran's borders to eradicate the next member of the "axis of
evil?" Will "preemptive war" become the watchword of the 21st century,
the
way "mutually assured destruction" was the doctrine of the 20th?
So this beautiful Sunday morning, I find myself praying for peace.
Praying
for the safety of our troops. Praying for mercy for the Iraqis who are
fleeing to refugee camps. Praying that our leaders have wisdom to do
the
right thing. Praying that the U.S. doesn't lose its soul as a result of
this war.
Heavy stuff, indeed. Turn up the stereo and listen to whatever gets you
through the day, whether it be Nanci Griffith or Darryl Worley or
someone in
between.
Dianne
// Just an aside: if the National Guard had been as active a part of the
// Viet Nam conflict as they are now part of the action in Iraq, no one
// question the fact that Bush served in the Guard. Those who served in
the
// Guard or Reserves WERE subject to being called up...even those of us
// who were in ROTC during that time knew that we could be called up if
// necessary. [BP]
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Subject: Re: NN: More fuel for the fire
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:35:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawn Kimbro (shawn@mountainsoul.net>
Thank you for this, Dianne --
I agree with your words and wish to point out that,
despite how passionate many of us feel that this war
is wrong, it remains that our children are fighting
it. I pray for its rapid end, and strongly support
those who so firmly believe they are fighting for our
freedom.
-Shawn
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Subject: NN: Fw: [Iris DeMent - NoTimeToCry] Dement won't sing
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:52:17 +1100
From: "Tony Cox" (tonycox@pacific.net.au>
> Folkie DeMent Refuses to Sing During War
>
> By The Associated Press
>
> MADISON, Wis. - Folk singer Iris DeMent (news) stunned 600
> people at Madison's Barrymore Theater by taking to the stage
> and announcing she could not perform while war raged.
>
> "It would be trivializing the fact that my tax dollars are
> causing great suffering and sending a message to the world
> that might is right," DeMent told the crowd Friday night.
>
> DeMent said she had struggled over her decision for hours in
> her dressing room. Opening act Greg Trooper had already
> performed when she told the audience she could not sing.
>
> Some audience members stood and applauded, but a few
> grumbled in the lobby afterward as they waited for refunds.
>
> "I think it's the most courageous thing. I don't want my
> money back. Absolutely not," said Patty Allen, 51, who has
> seen DeMent at least three times in Madison and has traveled
> to New Orleans for a show.
>
> "I think it's kind of a cop-out, really," said George
> Robertson, 43, who drove 80 miles from Milwaukee to see
> DeMent. "Her songs deal with a lot of personal things. If
> she can sing about all that stuff that has happened in her
> life, she can sing tonight."
>
> Promoter Tag Evers said he wished DeMent had made her
> decision a couple of days earlier.
>
> "I'm not mad. I even clapped," he said. "But I think she
> could have done more good by singing than not singing."
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Subject: NN: RE: Re: NanciNet #03322
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:42:41 -0500
From: "Kaczmarczyk, Peter A" (pkaczmar@indiana.edu>
Pat O'Connor wrote ....
>>> ...She personalized the issue to Bush and Texans and invoked the
>>> specter
of shame. By shaming him, and by extention his supporters (many who have
voted for him three times) ...(((
Voted for him 3 times? That could help explain all our problems with the
vote count. :*)
Peter 'Vote early and often" K.
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Subject: NN: RE: Re: NanciNet #03322
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:46:17 -0500
From: "Kaczmarczyk, Peter A" (pkaczmar@indiana.edu>
Geogo wrote:
> no one likes us, i don't know why
> we may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
> yet all around, even our old friends put us down
> let's drop the big one....see what happens
> "political science" randy newman circa 1970
FYI, this song was recently rerecorded by Glen Phillips and can be
found
on his excellent, intelligent acoustic album Live at Largo, which I
heartily
recommend and that can be purchased at the website below.
Note, I have no connection or financial interest in this album
or
artist except as a big fan who thinks folks on this list would love this
album.
http://www.awarestore.com/store.cfm?ARTIST_ID=531
Peter K.
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