// In the interest of fairness, I have included a few posts today
// that followed my request to keep our off-topic discussions to
// a minimum. These posts are at the end of the digest, and are 
// separated by a double line. Buried in that section is info
// about a war discussion list that has been established for that
// purpose. You can join that list by sending a note to:
//       wardebate-join@folkserv.net 
// Enjoy...[BP]

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Subject: NN: LONC (lots of nanci content) 
   Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:02:48 -0500 (EST) 
   From: "KENN" (lippert@nauticom.net> 

As i sit and pretend life is normal while bombs fall physically in distant
lands and emotionally here at home, i have turned to a long neglected  
source of comfort and consolation.  Whether it is that tough young Texas
girl with the braces, tornado-strong voice, and achingly personal
characters; or this world-traveled woman who has witnessed directly man's
inhumanity to man, the emotional torture of her ex-husband and his
comrades, and the cold touch of mortality upon her own shoulder - this
singer/writer/player/artist/aNGel, she still shines.

Perhaps all of my impressions of music and song are too intimately tied to
my own personal state of being, I cannot divorce the place where i stand
from the place where i listen.  I cannot objectively judge or critique
this music.  I have been disappointed with Nanci's most recent recordings
for several years now, but maybe it is my fault for not being in the
proper state of mind, or maybe I expect too much from Nanci, or not enough
from myself.  But now she helping me make it through these hours and these
days. 

When someone mentioned a recent concert that opened with Nanci just solo
on guitar performing "Trouble In These Fields", "Tecumseh Valley", and
"something else", i could not help but covet an entire evening of such
music - but now i wonder how much of that desire was just my own wish to
go back to a simpler, quieter time of life.  Music is indeed the
soundtrack to *our* lives, those of us on this list and lists like it,
cannot imagine life without music, and nothing has the power to recover
lost memories and recollect images from our past like the music that
touched us when we were there.

Someday in the future, these (new> songs from "Clock Without Hands" will
carry me back to this time of strife, unease, and pain.  There will be new
pleasures in my life then, and new hurts; but still Nanci will give dance
to the joys, and succor the hurts.  She always has.

Nanci, i am sorry i doubted you. May you ever shine.

pax,
kenn

| kenn lippert                     "See Kate Campbell" 
| lippertNO@SPAMnauticom.net         KateCampbell.com
|
| "I have loved the stars too fondly     "The moon, the music, and me."
|  to be fearful of the night."            -Vince Bell, Texas Plates
|        -Sarah Williams                        www.VinceBell.com
|           3ap.org

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Subject: NN: You Asked Me To 
   Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:30:31 -0800 
   From: "Susan Peete" (suepeete@cruzio.com> 


I haven't been reading NN very thoroughly, so please forgive me if this has
been mentioned...
There is a soon-to-be release Tribute Album for the late Waylon Jennings
entitled "Lonesome, On'ry, and Mean - A Tribute to Waylon Jennings." The
album features selected songs by Waylon performed by various artists, with
Nanci among them. It features Nanci performing Waylon's song "You Asked Me
To". The release date for the album is April 15, 2003. You can hear a sound
clip of the song on amazon.com

Other websites:
Village Records at: http://villagerecords.com
Dualtone.com Records: http://www.dualtone.com

Song titles:
Guy Clark "Good Hearted Woman" 
Nanci Griffith "You Asked Me To" 
Dave Alvin "Amanda" 
Norah Jones "Wurlitzer Prize I Don't Want To Get Over You" 
Cowboy Jack Clement "Let's All Help The Cowboys Sing The Blues" 
John Doe "Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line" 
Junior Brown "Nashville Blues" 
Robert Earl Keen "Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way" 
Carlene Carter "Always Been Crazy" 
Radney Foster/Roger Creager "Luckenbach, Texas Back To The Basics of 
Love" 
Allison Moorer "Storms Never Last" 
Kris Kristofferson "I Do Believe" 
Alejandro Escovedo "Lock, Stock and Teardrops" 
The Crickets "Waymore's Blues" 
Henry Rollins "Lonesome, On'ry and Mean" 

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Subject: NN: Winter Marquee 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:28:54 -0500 
   From: "Kaczmarczyk, Peter A" (pkaczmar@indiana.edu> 

	I finally got a copy of the Winter Marquee DVD and was very
impressed with the performance. In particular, I was struck by how, even
after over 20 years of performing it, Light Beyond These Woods still
seems to stir the emotions in Nanci. I know that she still hold a soft
spot for John in her heart, and probably still longs for the simpler
days of youth, but I am still surprised that she seems to harbor as much
emotion over events that are almost 30 years old.
	 Usually time smoothes over the emotions but I wonder why for
Nanci these emotions still seem so strong after so long. For most people
as events fade in time so do the emotional ties and reactions. I wonder,
do others have events in their lives that still bring them to laughter
or tears after many years and many miles? I know I still get upset at
times over things I've said or done 20 years earlier, regrets over harsh
words, or regrets over things not said. Do others have the same
experience, or do you find that time indeed heals all wounds.

Peter K.
Now playing - Who Wants to Live Forever? - Queen

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Subject: NN: "Best of..." 
   From: "O'Sullivan, Brian" (OsullivB@ummhc.org> 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:42:24 -0500  

I am another Nanci-netter (and proud owner of a Nanci-net t-shirt) who has
not posted in years.  In fact, given the rather sparse output of new work by
Ms. Griffith and the somewhat mediocre quality of the newer stuff, I had
kind of gotten out of the habit of listening to Nanci.  This changed
recently when a new acquaintance was asking me about what type of music I
like and I immediately blurted out, "Nanci Griffith."  (Does Nanci qualify
as a genre unto herself ??!!)  I guess old habits die hard.  Anyway, this
got me listening again and appreciating all over again just how good she is.
And this got me to thinking about what I would put on a CD for this friend
of mine to introduce her to Nanci.  My first impulse was to impose a rule on
myself -- no more than that which could fit on one CD.  I knew she wouldn't
listen to all 13 of my Nanci CDs (including some bootleg material) so I
could not indiscriminately copy them all.

My question to the Net -- what would you put on such a disc if limited to 20
tracks?  The limit is what makes it fun -- just as Robert Frost felt the
rules imposed by rhyme and meter are what made writing poetry such a
challenge.  In his words, writing free verse poetry is like playing tennis
without a net!  So there has to be some structure when making up this
"Introduction to Nanci" list.

My first try included 4 selections from OFSE (Once in a Very Blue Moon, Love
at the Five and Dime, From a Distance, and Spin on a Red Brick Floor).  OFSE
is the album that introduced me to Nanci and with which I fell in love and
still think of as her best work.  The problem was, I wanted to put 10 tracks
from OFSE on the disc!  What to do??    So I immediately cheated and broke
my own rule (think of it as lowering the tennis net!) and copied OFSE in its
entirety and then made a 20 song disc of selections from all of the other
albums.  Here is my final compilation.  There are many other tracks I love
and would want others to hear, but some limit needed to apply.  I'd love to
hear from others what they would put on this (these) discs and in what
order.

The disc I sent to my friend along with OFSE:

Three Flights Up
Across the Great Divide
Two for the Road
Southbound Train
There's a Light Beyond These Woods (Mary Margaret)
Gulf Coast Highway
Going Back to Georgia
Ford Econoline
It's a Hard Life Wherever You Go
Time of Inconvenience
This Heart
Listen to the Radio
Late Night Grande Hotel
Storms
So Long Ago
On Grafton Street
Never Mind
Outbound Plane
Tecumseh Valley
One Blade Shy of a Sharp Edge

Not very much from the early albums on this list, but remember OFSE is a
sort of "Best of Early Nanci" album and I like the live versions of these
songs better than the studio cuts anyway.  Not much from the recent albums
(only one from BRFTM and none after that) because, quite frankly, I have
been unimpressed by the recent work.

Bring on the critiques!

Brian O'Sullivan
osullivb@ummhc.org

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S.
general and 34th president (1890-1969)

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Subject: NN: FW: "Best of..." 
   From: "Ken Stiffler" (ksmsc@kmsx.net> 
   Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:25:29 +1200 

Brian wrote:
>>Bring on the critiques!((

Strikes me as a good sequence and I plan to listen to it this coming
weekend. Not exactly what I would pick if I was doing the recording, but
interesting nonetheless and I can't listen to the same Nanci songs in the
same order ALL the time.   :)

Twenty Tracks and OFSE:

Workin' In Corners (from PIMW)
Poet In My Window
There's A Light Beyond These Woods Mary Margaret (from LSSOM) 
These Days In An Open Book 
Outbound Plane 
10 Degrees And Getting Colder 
I Don't Wanna Talk About Love
Storms 
Lone Star State Of Mind 
Across The Great Divide 
So Long Ago 
Cold Heart Closed Mind 
I Would Change My Life 
This Heart 
Goodnight To A Mother's Dream 
Sun The Moon And The Stars 
Tumble And Fall 
Ford Econoline
Morning Train 
She Ain't Goin Nowhere

And I'm going to listen that this weekend, too. On second thought, it's not
all that late yet tonight.   :)

Oh, my! Nanci has recorded some great material. . . 


Ken "ask me again and it would be a different list" Stiffler

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Subject: NN: Eric Taylor show (minimal NG content) 
   From: GORDON1717@aol.com 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:34:19 EST 

Thought that some of you Washington DC area Griffsters might be
excited to know about these 2 shows at O'Briens Pit Barbecue on
Gude Drive in Rockville MD, particularly the second one with Ms
Griffith's ex. I have been to a couple of these shows and they
are kind of hokey but Eric Taylor will surely rise above that.
The BBQ is pretty good too and I believe they serve Shiner Bock.

"2nd and 4th Wednesday's of most months at O'Brien's in
Rockville, MD, is dedicated to introducing outstanding acoustic
singer/songwriter's from across the country to the greater
Washington area.

Upcoming Shows

Apr 23  Bill Morrissey,  special guest Amilia Spicer ($12/15)
May 14  Eric Taylor, Allison Downey opening ($12/15)

You can't beat the price!

Thought you would be interested,
Gordon

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Subject: NN: Checking in 
   From: SierraSkyz@aol.com 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:52:05 EST 

Hi NNauts,

I often wonder what everyone has been up to aside from concert going and CD
buying.  Although I never feel the muse strongly enough to write expansive
tomes to the harmonics produced by Miss Nanci, I find myself also exclaiming
her name first when people ask what I listen to, as Brian O'Sullivan
mentioned today.  

In the last few weeks I have blessed the skies with her words a few times on
a trip through the Rockies.  Every little mining town along the road seemed
to beg a verse from "Tecumseh Valley", and as I planted my snowshoes atop
the ridge overlooking Berthoud Pass, I was not too out of breath to sing out
a frosty "Across the Great Divide", (followed by the obligatory spitting
toward opposite oceans).  But, I have to admit, as war broke out during an
incredible day of gentle, relentless snow which muffled the rest of the
world's turmoil, I could only think of a John Prine verse over and over:  
"Blow up your TV, throw away your papers..."

Deb "avalanche goddess" Meyer

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Subject: Re: NN: A thought or two 
   From: Tricia9999@aol.com 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:13:45 EST 

In a message dated 04/02/2003 9:45:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
hickorywind@inos.com writes:


> If any of the long time, not recently seen, olde timers are here.
> Hope you are all well. Some were;.....

I am still here Ken, and reading every post on the NanciNet. I have not felt
that I have had anything to contribute in quite awhile. I think often of NN
members and always love to see Sue Peete messages, because I think of her
quite often, and love to see her strength so evident when she posts. I have
not been taking refuge in music as frequently, and yet I need to do so, as I
am losing faith in the species. I wasn't even able to make Kate Campbell's
last appearance here and she doesn't get to CA often. 

I will be going to see Laurie Lewis and Nina Gerber on Friday - just the two
of them together and I know it will be a very special show. 

Thanks for inquiring - I wouldn't leave the NN. Thanks to Bill for all the
effort.

Tricia
Think I'll go and listen to some Nanci right nowQ

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Subject: NN: Cool Software. Of Interest To Some Perhaps 
   From: "Steffel, Kenneth A." (hickorywind@inos.com> 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:53:35 -0500 

I had meant to send this to the NN back in the third week of January 2003.
I had it typed up and before I got around to posting it, my PC froze up. 
I never got back to it. Although I thought of going back and posting it a
couple of times.
Digging around, I unearthed it again
So finally here it is. I hope you might enjoy it

This is pretty cool in my opinion. Maybe it isn't really for you, or your
needs now, but I think really a neat piece of software. Maybe you know
someone that might enjoy it, or knowing of it. If so, please, pass it on.

Total Recorder: from High Criteria. 

A $12.00 program that lets you record audio play from Windows Media Player, 
RealPlayer, and or other players, and save the resulting sound as an MP3
file. You can easily snag radio interviews, or new stories for example etc.,
and save them as a MP3. for playback. 
A $36.00 full program even lets you schedule everything from opening the
website, to starting and saving the recording

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Subject: NN: Noise 
   Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:06:14 -0500 
   From: BMiller224@aol.com 

I'll just say again that some of the most interesting stories in the music
business right now have to do with the fact that a number of singers,
including Nanci Griffith, have taken the unusual step of speaking out
publicly on the current conflict, at a time when that particular position is
not a popular one, at least according to the opinion polls.   A number of
them have, like Nanci, made topical songs on the issue immediately available
at their Web sites, an interesting trend in itself.

Closely connected with that are the revelations about the extent to which
some major companies in the music business, like Clear Channel and Citadel,
are going out of their way to promote hostility to musicians who have taken
such a stand.

And that is one manifestation of much larger problems in the music business
that have resulted in the commercial marginalization of some of the best
singers and songwriters around.  The fact that people like Nanci or Emmylou
Harris or Steve Earle have had to effectively build alternative marketing
networks is a sad commentary on the music business.  And, yes, the
companies' version of Patriotic Correctness is playing a part in that.

This conflict is also polarizing opinion in ways that are turning ugly. A
guy in West Virginia, a British veteran of Gulf War I, was jumped in the
parking lot of a bar and beaten badly by a group of cowardly punks, on the
excuse that he had made a disparaging remark about America's unelected Chief
Executive.

A weekend march against the current military action in Baton Rouge was
menaced -- as in explicit threats of violence -- by goons who had been
incited by a DJ for a local Citadel radio station.  This same DJ had
previously been fired from another DJ job for a comment inciting violence
against gays.

These are not isolated incidents.  And some of the biggest players in the
popular music business are commercially promoting this kind of hysteria as
in the ludicrous bash-the-Dixie-Chicks campaign.

And none of this is relevant to Nanci Griffith or her songs or the values
she's always stood for or the folk/alt.country music scene?

Sure, anytime the current conflict comes up here, somebody who mainlines Fox
News 
24/7 will pop up and regurgitate their favorite slogans of the day.  But
really, the 
only way to avoid that is to restrict our posts to, "Gee, I was listening to
my Clear 
Channel station the other day and they played a Badfinger song from 1973
that I 
haven't heard in at least a couple of days.  Does anyone else like
Badfinger?"

Bruce "trying unsuccessfully to follow the rules" Miller
Oakland CA

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Subject: Re: NN: Noise 
   Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) 
   From: "Bill Page" (bpage3@yahoo.com> 

Bruce "trying unsuccessfully to follow the rules" Miller
(and succeeding admirably at being unsuccessful) wrote:
> I'll just say again that some of the most interesting stories
> in the music business right now have to do with the fact that
> a number of singers, including Nanci Griffith, have taken the
> unusual step of speaking out publicly on the current conflict,
> at a time when that particular position is not a popular one,
> at least according to the opinion polls.   A number of them
> have, like Nanci, made topical songs on the issue immediately
> available at their Web sites, an interesting trend in itself.
(snip>
> And none of this is relevant to Nanci Griffith or her songs or
> the values she's always stood for or the folk/alt.country
> music scene?

Let me make my point again, for what I hope is the last time.
This is not a forum to debate music industry issues. It's not a
place to debate political issues. It's not a place to discuss
free speech or abortion or peace in our times or the atrocities
of Saddam Hussein. 

I have no problem with thoughtful discussions of how Nanci
and/or other singer-songwriters are dealing with the
international situation. I have a lot of problems with tirades
for or against the war, or with continuing to hammer an issue
such as the Clear Channel's actions.

There are other forums for those of you who want to have
continual hashing and rehashing of these issues.

When I took over the list there were a number of folks who were
on a "screen" list that bounced all of their messages for
review. I did away with that, reopening the list to all. Until
the last few weeks, I have not regretted that decision.

At the moment there are only a few reasons why a post will
bounce: 
 -- if the format is not plain text (most common)
 -- if the sender is not a member of the list
 -- if the post is over a certain length 
Please don't push me into a position of having to make other
decisions. 
(As an aside, we have lost nearly a dozen members whose comment
to me was along the lines of, "maybe I'll be back when the dust
settles.")

Come on folks, we all know the guidelines.

Bill "apparently not driving these wheel" Page

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Subject: NN: a solution to off-Nanci topics 
   From: DvBGardner@genelogic.com 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:15:18 -0500 

Ear friends -- 
Don't stop me while I'm having a brilliant thought this morning -- it
doesn't happen too often for this blonde. 
It has been suggested that anyone wanting to discuss non-Nanci related
topics should try and find appropriate fora (that's plural for forum)
elsewhere.      The problem with that suggestion is, however, that we don't
always know where to go, nor do we sometimes dare dive into a new chat group
or posting list... never know who's there. 

Plus, the beauty of our discussions here on the nancinet has been that we
are, for the most part anyway, kindred spirits, friends, and we trust each
other.  We value each others' opinions not just in the musical sense. We
often yearn to hear the others' opinions on a topic that moves us (as you
can see right now; as it was after 9-11; as it has been in the past on
numerous other topics.)  Some of us are in touch through
back-channel/personal e-mail messages, but the overall discussion of many
minds contributing is what keeps the spark in this... 

NOW THEREFORE, might I suggest that we start a separate group ourselves, one
that is mostly populated by nancinetters (for obvious reasons) but open to
discuss all topics that move us through life these days. We could call it
"The Other NanciNetters" or "The Off-Topic Group" or something.  And, of
course, we would need to figure out how to start such list, how and who
would moderate it (any volunteers?), etc.  It could be a "subsidiary" of our
beloved nancinet. 

This way, we remain connected amongst trusted nancinetters, but are free to
discuss our other topics without cluttering the "pure" nancinet and putting
our esteemed list moderator Bill Page in a pickle. (Bill, I know how
difficult this must have been for you lately, and we're VERY grateful...). 

So, this was the ONE brilliant thought I had for this morning.  With all of
my brain power spent now, I'm not sure how I will work my way through
another day in corporate law...

And please, no loud cheering and clapping.  A silent nod, a brief message of
approval, that would be great. :):):) 

Here's hoping for peace and for brilliant minds having a forum to talk about
EVERYTHING...I lust for the opinions of the great minds that populate this
forum here. 

Donate "am I going mad?" v.B.-G.  

//Ask and ye shall receive: [BP]
>...there is a listserv specifically dedicated to debating the war 
> in Iraq...anyone who would like to talk about the war but doesn't 
> want to offend their fellow members with "non music content" is 
> welcome to participate.
> 
> To join, send email to
>	wardebate-join@folkserv.net
> and you'll get a confirmation message by return email.


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Subject: NN: No Nanci matter what you say 
   From: ConorMG@aol.com 
   Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:01:26 EST 

BMiller224@aol.com writes:

> Does anyone else like Badfinger?"

Yes, I like Badfinger! 

What's this about a war by the way?  Did Nanci say something about a war?

Con - what would Nanci do? - or  
np Strawhead


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Subject: NN: A thought or two 
   From: "Steffel, Kenneth A." (hickorywind@inos.com> 
   Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:38:47 -0500 

To List Manager Page:

Bill, I had this typed up yesterday 1 April before your RE: to Noise came
across my in-box. You certainly started out that post keeping your good
sense of humor. I thought a good long bit about not sending it out. I just
re-read it and it addresses two things I want to mention, and ask (I even
cut a Marine quote I had typed at the bottom. to make this more ammenable
to all), and still make my one comment and ask my one question. I like the
NN and our little community, and enjoy hearing about new tunes that I
largely cannot afford to purchase. (It is America, I might be stinkin rich
in a year or so) So bottom line I am not trying to push anyones buttons by
way of this e-mail.
~~~~~
To: BMiller224@aol.com
Bruce

You have consistently posted some of the most though-provoking, insightful,
meaningful, discussions, with musical themed, connections to the world, and
their relation to other topics (of the then, current, relative goings on)
You have made more than a few, interesting quotes and observations during
the 6 years I have been a proud, card-carrying member of this on-line
speakeasy juke joint, that most of us just Love-Luv-Lov.
(I couldn't think of a 4th way to spell Love.

To some of the new folks on the list, Starting a little over two weeks ago,
and then backwards in time for easily, 5 or six, perhaps even 7 weeks there
really wasn't much going on here at the "NN Bar and Grill"
(How's that for a site name Donate?).
An occasional posting about a show seen, a new album someone picked up, or
a question or two. So not too busy.

If any of the long time, not recently seen, olde timers are here. Hope you
are all well. Some were;

Vicky Stein
Bill Lukesh
RoanInish 
Roman Panchyshyn
John Alvord
Annavedo
Tricia9999
Bob McConnochie
John Prive
Pete Topel
Deb Thornton (who used to post often, and  sent me a short personal e-mail
in regards to my last rant.)
Ron Hennessy
Susan Chilsom

are some names I haven't seen post in a while.
(But this could be inaccurate information. 
Always consider the source.)

Kinda like a long lost second cousin showing up at a summer birthday party
or something.
"Hey- Hi ALL ! Nice to see you. Where's the potato salad?"

(And if any of these folks have posted recently, and I missed it, mea
culpa. 

N.P Parrotheads music.

RELIGION. BETTER GET SOME
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.
Here's The Church, There's The Steeple
Religion's In The Hand's Of Those Crazy-Assed People
Television Preachers with Bad Hair and Dimples
But God's Honest Truth Is, It Ain't That Simple

It's the Buddist in you. It's the Pagan in me
It's the Muslim in him. She's Catholic, ain't she?
It's the born again look

He's Rastamahn, 
I Aint Got A Clue

(small snip>
But the right word at the right time
May Get Me A Little Hug
and that's the difference between lightning,
and a harmless lightning bug

(major snip>
It's A Jungle Out There Sisters and Brothers
HAVE A VERY FRUITFUL DAY

(Fruitcakes)

Thanks for letting me have another short visit to Center Ring, here at the
NN Circus

one_love    ken. 

HAVE A VERY VERY FRUITFUL DAY.

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