// Folks, earlier this week I noted a report that Nanci might
// become an expatriate if the November election went the
// wrong way. We have some opinions below, with most folks
// trying to avoid turning it into a candidate-bashing
// session...thank you. BP

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Subject: NN: Nanci's Music Videos
    From: "Judith and Bruce Umminger"
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:10:31 -0400


Sarah wrote:
>> Has Nanci done any music videos besides Goodnight, New York? I  
>> thought I
saw something mentioned about a Late Night Grande Hotel video  
somewhere...If there
are other videos, are they online anywhere?((

Since I get my news in the digest format, I have delayed in responding  
to Sarah's
question.  I know of the following videos that came out in single  
format.  Many
were released as promotional tapes and others can be found on VHS  
compilations such
as "Country Video Monthly," "The Reel Thing," etc.  These are:

  - Daddy Said (1984)
  - From A Distance (1987)
  - I Knew Love (1988)
  - I Don't Want To Talk About Love (1989) [can also be found on the  
European PAL
format VHS "The Ultimate Country Video" released in 1996]
  - It's A Hard Life (1989) [can be found on "The Reel Thing," August  
1989]
  - Late Night Grande Hotel (1991) [can be found on "The Reel Thing,  
Volume
3"]
  - Be Still (with Peace Together) (1993) [can be found on "Rock Video  
Monthly,
August 1993]
  - Speed of the Sound of Loneliness (1993) [can be found on "Country  
Video
Monthly, May 1993" and Nanci Griffith Video Press Kit (1993)]
  - Across the Great Divide (1993) [can be found on "Country Video  
Monthly,
September 1993"]
  - This Heart (1995) [can be found on "Country Video Monthly, May 1995"]
  - Well...All Right (1996) [can be found on "A Tribute to Buddy Holly"
VHS]
  - Goodnight, New York (2003) [can be downloaded as a QT movie from  
Nanci's official
website]

Commercially released full-length videos on which Nanci appears or can  
be heard
include:
One Fair Summer Evening (1988)
The Chieftains: The Bells of Dublin (1991)
Other Voices, Other Rooms (1993)
The Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary Concert (1993)
Red Hot + Country (1995)
Other Voices, Too (1998)
The Chieftains: An Irish Evening (2000)
Don McLean: Starry, Starry Night (2000)
Annabelle's Wish (2000)
Winter Marquee (2002)

There may be others...but these are those of which I am aware.

Good viewing and good listening,

Bruce Umminger

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Subject: NN: Nanci and the Crickets and Kate
    From: "james troiano"
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:49:48 -0400

Hi folks: Just a quick recommendation. Both the Crickets and their  
Buddies and the
Portable Kate Campbell albums are terrific. Nanci does a great version  
of Heartland
on the Crickets album, and does backup and duets on some other songs.  
On the other
album, I am so glad that my two favorite singer songwriters have gotten  
together.
THey do a wonderful version of Galaxie 500. The album is mostly  
composed of some imaginative remakes of  gems from previous Kate  
albums. I remember so vividly meeting some friends in Atlanta to see  
Nanci and then Kate perform. That indeed was this side of heaven.
Jim

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:53:45 -0700
    From: "merle stringfield"

>> It has been reported that Nanci Griffith, in a recent
interview, asserted that if George Bush were re-elected, she
would move out of the country (I don't remember if the article
said Ireland, but that would be my assumption).((

Save a seat for my son and I. We discussed this very thing last
night.

>> WITHOUT TURNING THIS INTO A BUSH vs. KERRY DEBATE, ((

There is no debate on this issue.

>> what affect would it have on Nanci's songwriting?((

Hard to say. New surroundings mean new thoughts. Longing for home after  
awhile can
stir certain emotions that could generate some new material. If  
Ireland, all those
haunting melodies could mean new tunes as well.


>> if not Ireland, where?((

England?


>> would this decision affect your opinion of Nanci? why or why
not?((

It would only anchor thoughts about this terrific artist and how she  
shares my political
beliefs. Maybe if enough of us went along we could start a community  
called Nanciland.


>> PLEASE don't use this to trash either candidate; I'd like to
think we could discuss this important topic at the level
suggested.((

Thanks for the opportunity Bill. As John Stewart once said,

"It's alright, its only music"

Merlot
San Diego

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: Poetmuse
     Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:02:14 EDT

bpage3@earthlink.net writes:
> what affect would it have on Nanci's songwriting?
> if not Ireland, where?
> what other singer-songwriters do you know of who have become  
> expatriates
> for political reasons?
> would this decision affect your opinion of Nanci? why or why not?

Well,her writing might turn more political; that'd be
interesting.

I'm not sure of where else Nanci might call home - she is fond of those  
cities
across the pond. Maybe Italy or Spain? She loves Spanish and various  
forms there
of.

Does John Lennon living in New York count as an expatriate?

It would not affect my opinion of Nanci, heck I've said the same thing  
as a joke
myself, if she has the means to move and enjoy it, I hold no ill will  
towards her.
You  have to live and be where you feel the most peace at.  Besides,  
you can take
the  American out of the country, but you can't take the country out of  
the American.

I think no matter where our girl was living, she'd still be HER.

-Christina

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Subject: NN: RE: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: "John Graveling"
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:31:50 +0100

Well John Prine already owns a home in Galway, Southern Ireland and  
spends a good
deal of time there. In fact I believe that John is already planning a  
permanent
move to Ireland.

Steve Earle stays in Galway for long periods each year, away from his  
Fairview,
Tn., home.

Remember Nanci lived in Ireland, part-time, for a good while in the  
early 90's and
wrote "I Would Bring You Ireland" and recorded it on her "One Fair
Summer Evening" disc.

I think she means what she says in this particular debate and I feel  
that once she
left the USA she may never return, even for tours, as she is already  
far more successful
in the UK and Europe, sales wise (records and concerts), than she is in  
her homeland.

John "just my thoughts" Graveling


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Subject: NN: Re: NanciNet Digest #04830
    From: josephoc
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:37:58 -0500


>> It has been reported that Nanci Griffith, in a recent interview,  
>> asserted
that if George Bush were re-elected, she would move out of the country  
(I don't
remember if the article said Ireland, but that would be my  
assumption).((

Sounds like Nanci has a clear out on that one since W. can't be
re-elected. By law he can only serve two terms....

// huh??? [BP]

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:03:36 -0600
    From: "Sarah Wrightson"


>> what other singer-songwriters do you know of who have become  
>> expatriates
for  political reasons?((

First that came to mind was Jesse Winchester.

What do I think about it?  Hmmmm.  I understand the desire.  But unless  
I were to
100% embrace another country as my own and become a citizen, I think  
for me it is
better to stand and fight.  In other words all or
nothing -- If you leave you can't come back, and must participate in  
your new home
to make it a better place.  I don't think it is right to just take a  
vacation from
what you don't like.

But I have no idea what the article had to say, so can't make a  
judgment on someone
else, only what might be best for me.

Sarah

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: "Rob Boucher"
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:16:25 -0400


Canada will take the queen with open arms Bill and this may inspire her  
great song
writing for another great song or two like FIVE &DIME written in  
Toronto on
one of her few visits up here! Nanci we still have a few WOOLWORTHS  
stores full
of unnessasary plastic objects and the odd record bin to boot!
-rob boucher Peterborough Ont. -AKA -nanccinut

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:32:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
    From: "Steve Zeoli"

Bill,

Chancy topic! Impossible to comment on without revealing ones  
sympathies, I'm  afraid.

I've threatened to do the same thing... though I've considered a move  
north to friendly
Canada--and no one would care if I left town. However, as much as I  
have major disputes
with the current administration and my fellow citizens who elected it,  
I don't think
I could abandon my country and I hope when push comes to shove that  
Nanci won't
either. We need eloquent voices like Nanci's to change attitudes. As  
attractive
as it may be to head off for a more "sane" home, especially for someone
with the means to choose to live wherever she wishes, it is a cowardly  
thing to
do. I don't think Nanci's a coward.

Steve
Hubbardton, Vermont

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:27:11 -0500
    From: "Sarah"

Is it at all possible that Nanci made this comment in jest? It could  
have been if
it was on a radio interview or something. It could also be that I'm  
just makin excuses
cause I really don't want her to leave :( My concern is that if she  
moves to the
UK or Ireland where she has a bigger fanbase, her music might get a  
little too commercial
again. I don't believe that would change her songwriting for the worse  
(it didn't
change too much while she was at MCA), but I think the majority of fans  
prefer her
more folk CDs like I do.)

Just my $.02

Sarah
PS-Does anyone have a link to a transcript of this interview?
PPS- Was that neutral enough? ;) hope so.

// see below...[BP]

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Subject: NN: Re: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: RoanInish
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:52:02 EDT

(( It has been reported that Nanci Griffith, in a recent interview,  
asserted
that if George Bush were re-elected, she would move out of the country  
 >>

Is there any confirmation that she said this?  Forgive my
skepticism, but this myth has circulated around many celebrities
ever since the 2000 election. Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin,
Barbara Striesand, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Rob
Reiner...just about every celebrity known to have political
views that oppose Bush has had this statement attributed to them
by right wing talk radio and other similar venues.  To my
knowledge the only celebrity that ever said anything like this
was film director Robert Altman who said it in a 2000 interview
as a joke since he has lived in France for years.  I guess the
Republican rumor mill has run out of household name celebrities
to trash so they go for the more esoteric making it Nanci's
turn.  Although it is well known that Nanci is supporting John
Kerry.

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Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:15:11 -0500
     From: "Ed Maier"

Bill wrote:

> Hey, folks,
>
> It has been reported that Nanci Griffith, in a recent interview,
> asserted that if George Bush were re-elected, she would move out of
> the country (I don't remember if the article said Ireland, but that
> would be my assumption).
>

Here's a link to the interview (my guess is Ireland also):

(http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/08/55927708.shtml? 
Element_ID=55927708>

She owned a home there at one time. Wonder if she still does?
Time will tell, I guess.

Ed Maier
-- 
Work like you don't need the money,
love like you've never been hurt,
dance like there's nobody watching,
and sing really, really loud.


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Subject: NN: Expatriate??
    Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:53:14 +1000
    From: "Barry Medway"


If Nanci intends as indicated I have a lovely little cottage available  
on my little
farm, rent free. Perhaps Australia may not solve Nanci's dilemma as our  
Govt blindly
follows the Bush Mobile wherever it goes anyway. This may not last as  
we have an
October election &  many are disenchanted with the Iraq thing & our  
reasons
for being there.  Much the same applies in the U.S.
I would suggest.........Barry.

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Subject: RE: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: "Ken Stiffler"
    Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:46:14 +1200


Bill wrote:
>> what affect would it have on Nanci's songwriting?
>> if not Ireland, where?
>> what other singer-songwriters do you know of who
>> have become expatriates for political reasons?
>> would this decision affect your opinion of Nanci? why or why not?

>> PLEASE don't use this to trash either candidate; I'd like to
think we could discuss this important topic at the level
suggested.((

But if we can't, you'll only have yourself to blame this time, Bill! :)

Effect: I think that immediate locale would have a greater effect than  
a specific
country. Sort of the difference between moving from Nashville to LA or  
moving from
Nashville to Buffalo, Wyoming, as much as moving from
Nashville to Dublin, Ireland.

I would expect the immediate surroundings and the individuals that she  
comes in
contact with on a regular basis to have more impact than the  
surrounding nation.
But there are differences between the way people in
different countries behave and in their views, so I guess there would  
be *some*
effect in that sense. But not being able to predict who she might hang  
with or what
sort of neighborhood she would live in, I don't think we could predict  
the effect
on her music very well.

Not Ireland? My recommendation would be New Zealand. Beautiful country.  
Great people.
Differed from Australia by not supporting the war in Iraq. I even know  
of a few
good settings where she could put on a nice intimate show for her local  
fans. There's
a band shell in the Botanical Gardens here in Wellington where I would  
just love
to hear her play some summer evening. Ahhhhh. . . Ecstasy.

Expat musicians - Craig Fuller left Pure Prairie League after recording  
Amie to
go to Canada to avoid the draft. PPL continued on, including a hit with  
a cover
of Buddy Holly's "That'll Be The Day" (which even makes a roundabout  
connection
back to Nanci) and after Jimmy Carter pardoned the draft dodgers,  
Fuller returned
to make some good music with American Flyer, with Eric Kaz as a duo,  
and for awhile,
with Little Feat - the only albums where I've been able to appreciate  
Little Feat.
Though he's still a great singer (IMHO), he was never again as creative  
as on those
first two PPL records. Anybody know what he's been doing since he left  
Little Feat?

Opinion of Nanci: I just think it would be sort of silly*. It wouldn't  
change anything.
Then again, it wouldn't make me think any less of her music.

* UNLESS events transpire to impact the functioning of the upcoming  
election and
GW remains in office without a clear electoral decision. Then a  
departure might
be a good thing or a bad thing, but it wouldn't be silly.

Ken

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Subject: RE: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: "Todd Barrett"
    Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:28:49 +0000

As a long timer lover of Nanci's music I am not sure how it would  
affect her  actual
music.  Living in Ireland seemed to inspire her.  Maybe leaving the   
country would
jumpstart her.  My only concern with leaving for
political  reasons is that it seems that she is so submerged (obsessed?  
not right
word  either), surrounded, whatever...with politics and george w. that  
her music
becomes all about politics.  She is of course free to sing about  
whatever  she wants,
but I want the majority of my music to not be political...or if  it is  
political
let it be subtly so.  I don't like being slapped in the face with it.   
My other
favorite music is by the rock band Concrete
Blonde and they released a live cd and chose to include a little  
passage where the
lead  singer basically curses out George Bush.  She also seems to make  
a point at
most of her shows to at least get a little line in about him.
Now I love,  love, her music, but I don't agree with half of her  
political views
so I  just ignore it...but she is also starting to incorporate more  
politics  (released
an anti-war cd single).  Like I said, this is all fine and good,  but  
when it becomes
all encompassing it gets to be too much for me  personally.  Just my  
2.5 cents.

Todd Barrett

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Subject: NN: Politics is not Entertainment!
    Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "JAMES WARD"

I would hope Nanci would stay in the United
States...but that is my selfishness, because I adore
her and her music so much.  I don't think Nanci needs
a "JUMPSTART" in her career either as I think "Clock
Without Hands" contained some of the best work of her
career.  I am counting the days until "Heart and Mind"
is released.

That said, I do believe the political antics of some
candidates qualifies as entertainment.  However, it is
my thought that entertainers should not enter into the
arena of politics while being paid to entertain.  Back
in June at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens, Nanci urged
everyone present to register to vote and get out and
vote.  She stated it didn't matter for whom you voted
as long as you voted.  Not one word of Bush bashing
was involved!

James Ward

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// A couple of moderately conservative responses:

Subject: NN: Re: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: "Toby Askren"
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:47:05 -0700


I think that if Bush does not win, then we won't really have a country.  
Bush is
keeping terrorism out of the U.S. Doing a great job too,  I must say. I  
will hate
to see her go.


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Subject: RE: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    From: flcma99
    Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:34:13 -0400


Since it is the start of the RNC gathering this week and I am in
a good mood, I figure I will add my thoughts on the topic.

If Nanci left the country, I would continue to buy her music.  I
listen to Nanci's music because of her talent as an artist, not
because of her political ideologies - some of which I agree with
and some of which I disagree.  Nanci's politics play a part in
her artistry, just as they should in each of our daily lives,
but they have not consumed her artistry nor, in my opinion,
detracted substantially from her artistry.  (Too bad the same
can not be said of Natalie Maines and the Dixie Chicks.)  Nanci
is intelligent and articulate enough to elaborate on her
position on an issue and while I don't always agree, I respect
that.

It might be interesting to hear a Nanci "expatriate" album.  I
can't help but think of some of my favorite albums that
expressed a call for change with the status quo - John
Mellencamp's "Scarecrow" and "The Lonesome Jubilee" or Tracy
Chapman's debut album.

I would hope that Nanci won't ultimately move, but it won't
change my vote. And, I guess she and I will cancel each other
out at the polls.

- Jason

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// And a couple of responses with no attempt to be moderate:

Subject: Re: NN: Nanci -- Expatriate?
    Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "Shawn Kimbro"

Not taking sides or anything, but could it be that
Nanci doesn't want to live in a country ruled by the
iron fist of an oppressive and illegitimate regime
that cluster bombs children, sanctions the rape and
torture of innocent civillians, and continuously lies
to justify it's immorality?

Just an off-hand guess.

-Shawn

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Subject: NN: Nanci - Expatriate?
    Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "Julie"

If she leaves the country, you know Bushie's gunna smoke 'er out,  
anyway. I say
don't just leave, but change citizenship so our names and our country  
and our tax
dollars aren't in the name of all this killing for greed and power. If  
Bushie and
his one blade shy megalomaniacs get away with another election swindle,  
there may
be nowhere left to go in time. VOTE like your life depends on it.  This  
time it
does.

Sorry, Bill, but with this regime's constitution free zones and  
corporate media
control and death of democracy and stripping of our rights, I'm opting  
for free
speech here.

~ Julie

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Subject: NN: Nanci in a Small Venue
     Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:22:48 -0400
    From: "Steve Robertson"

A while back, John Graveling told me about a talented Americana artist
in Nashville by the name of Chelle Rose. The latest press release fom
Chelle's management lists a live performance in the round:

September 9, 2004  8:00 pm
Bluesboro Rhythm & Blues
114 N Church Street
Murfreesboro, TN
615.907.1115
Also on Bill: Nanci Griffith,
Elizabeth Cook & Le Ann Etheridge

For those of you who are not familiar with Tennessee, Murfreesboro is
not far from Nashville down I-24 South. This is tempting me to make the
trip from Atlanta!

Steve R.

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From: "Tony Cox"
Subject: NN: Re: Nanci - Expatriate?
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 06:25:55 +1000


Nanci could do a lot worse than head for France, a country that  
actually =
seems to have learnt from its mistakes and is not laden with  
ideological =
baggage.

France lost a colonial war in Algeria in eight years of bloody conflict  
=
in the 1950's.  Since then they have adopted a wholly pragmatic  
approach =
to gradually rebuild relations with Algeria specifically and the Arab =
world more generally to the point where President Chirac is now  
regarded =
as a trusted and respected figurehead across the Arab world.  Assisted =
by this enlightened approach, Algeria recently returned President =
Boutiflika to power with 80 percent support (in internationally =
supervised elections).  The fundamentalists had been marginalised, =
polling less than 5 percent.  The form of government they have may not =
be 'democratic' in the strictly western sense, but it is a pluralist =
representitive form of government which works in the context of their =
particular circumstances.

The US and Russia, by contrast, are still locked in the 'might is  
right' =
mindset of the Cold War era, seemingly thinking they can impose their =
will over recalcitrants with the nasty weapons they have wasted =
trillions of dollars developing over the decades.  The failure of this =
approach has been starkly highlighted by the catastrophic outcome of  
the =
Chechen rebel school siege.  It will be continue to be highlighted by =
the inevitable failure of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan to manufacture  
=
an outcome to their liking.

I strongly urge anyone interested a possible peaceful alternative to a =
fight to the death with the Arab world - which is the way things are =
currently headed - to take a few minutes to listen to the excellent BBC  
=
Assignmnent feature, 'France And The Arab World'.  Here is the link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml

And I strongly urge Nanci to move to France if Bush wins/steals another  
=
four-year term!

Peace.

Tony

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Subject: NN: NanciNet welcome message
     Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:42:45 -0400
    From: "David Mahaffey"

Hi all,

I just switched my NN s*bscription because of a change of e-mail
address, and noticed when I got the welcome message that it's getting
a bit out-of-date, especially with the FAQs and album reviews and all
that good stuff. There's a reference to Nanci's retirement in 1997
that makes the list sound downright obsolete to someone looking for
new news about Nanci Griffith.

This is not meant as criticism of listguru Bill, who undoubtedly
spends more time than he bargained for just keeping the messages
slogging through the ether. But it seems like something easily fixed.
Everything that needs updating has been covered at some point on the
list and is probably in the archives.

I'd be happy to help compile and edit any updates to the welcome
message, if that's something the group (and especially Bill) would
like to see. A good starting point is Mark Ferguson's NanciNet User's
Guide and FAQ here: http://home.austin.rr.com/ferghome//nanfaq.html.
It is of course the basis for the bulk of the welcome message,
composed by the list founder, and seems to be more up-to-date than the
current list welcome message. Beyond that, is there anything else that
needs to be included?

David
--A long way from home

// I've started a re-write of the welcome message about 20 times in the
// past year. Anybody who  wants to give it a go is welcome...just send  
it
// to me in ascii format...actually, a simple link to Ferg's FAQ file
// is probably all that's needed! [BP]


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